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Does Jesus and Paul contradict each other?
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This is no longer beneficial for me. Im pointing out somthing I ask for help to work out. No one has done that. Just say it then. You can't validate Paul’s teaching with Jesus words. You can only validate Jesus with Pauls theology. This is an issue. Paul follows a different Jesus.
If you want help, why do you mock and bicker with those who attempt to help you? By your posts, it appears to me that you are only here to argue for your agenda.
I don't believe I am. My question was simple. Prove Pauls theology with Christs words. Your the one casting stones and bickering, because it can't be done.
Yeah, this is the essence of Jesus' ministry.
Remember, He said “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Ultimately, His ministry fulfilled the parable of the landowner and the vineyard, Matthew 21:33-41 that ends with...
“But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
This, of course, connected to the OT prophesy Psalm 118:22,23
42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?
43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”
The chief priests and pharisees (the religious leaders of the day) got the message:
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.
With His death on the cross, Jesus accomplished all He was sent to accomplish while He was a man in the earth.
Now, because He arose as a "Life-giving Spirit" (And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. ) He was given the authority to distribute the Kingdom of God to whomever "believed in Him".
Paul was a minister of THIS gospel: that of being reconciled to God through the Blood of the Lamb, the Son of God. Entrance into this gospel, because the payment of reconciliation had been secured by the Son, was governed by the Son and by those he sent.
This is what Jesus Christ meant when He said "Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”
Isaiah 49:6 “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
- Acts 13:47 “For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.”
- God Said one will come after Him claim'n he is the Christ,, - (Matthew 24:5),,,
- saul says he is the Christ/Light for Salvation to the ends of the world,, - (Acts 13:47)
- Ecclesiastes 6:9 “Better is the sight of the eyes than the wandering of the desire: this is also vanity and vexation of spirit.”
- Acts 13:47 “For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.”
- saul/"Apostle" Paul said he saw Jesus in the desert before he got to Damascus,,, (Acts 9:3)
- God Said that if anyone says they saw Him in the desert,, they are LIARS,,- (Matthew 24:26)
- God Said if someone comes in his own name we will accept him,, - (John 5:43)
- saul changed his own name to paul,,,
- God Said one will come after Him claim'n he is the Christ,, - (Matthew 24:5),,,
- saul says he is the Christ/Light for Salvation to the ends of the world,, - (Acts 13:47)
- Ecclesiastes 6:9 “Better is the sight of the eyes than the wandering of the desire: this is also vanity and vexation of spirit.”
- 2 Corinthians 5:7 “(For we walk by faith, not by sight
” - - Matthew 7:16 “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”
- - 2 Corinthians 12:7 “And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.”
- - “7 Churches of Asia Minor” in Türkiye Ephesus Church. The church, whose ruins are in Ephesus in Izmir, occupies an important place in the history of Christianity. ... Smyrna (Izmir) Church. ... Pergamon (Bergama) Church. ... Thyatira Church. ... Sardis Church. ... Philadelphia Church. ... Laodikeia Church."
- - Acts 16:6 “Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
- - Matthew 24:26 “Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
- - "1 Kings 19:15 15 "The Lord said to him, “Go back the way you came, and go to the Desert of Damascus. When you get there, anoint Hazael king over Aram. "
- - "Acts 9:3 “And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven.
- - Luke 21:8 “And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.”
- - Acts 13:47 “For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.”
- - Romans 13:11 “And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.”
- (Acts 9:3)
- - God Said that if anyone says they saw Him in the desert,, they are LIARS,,- (Matthew 24:26)
- - God Said if someone comes in his own name we will accept him,, - (John 5:43)
- - saul changed his own name to paul,,, - (Acts 13:9),, ("But after his conversion Saul determined to bring the gospel to the Gentiles, so he dusted off his Roman name and became known as Paul, a name Gentiles were accustomed to.") ,,
- - God Said one will come after Him claim'n he is the Christ,, - (Matthew 24:5)
- - "Acts 19:11 “And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:”"
- - Matthew 24:5 “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”
- - Matthew 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
- - Revelation 13:11-14
- 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
- 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
- 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
- 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
- (Acts 22:3) "I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.”"
- - Hebrews 11:7 “By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
- - Genesis 6:8-9 & 22
- 8 "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD."
- 9 "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."
- 22 "Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he."
- - Genesis 7:1 “And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.”
- - Deuteronomy 4:9 "Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;”
- - 2 Corinthians 5:7 “(For we walk by faith, not by sight"
- - 2 Corinthians 12:7 "And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure."
- - 1 Samuel 16:14 “But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.”
- - Ephesians 1:13 “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
- - Psalms 51:11 “Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.”
- - Psalms 143:7 “Hear me speedily, O LORD: my spirit faileth: hide not thy face from me, lest I be like unto them that go down into the pit.”
- - Revelation 22:19 “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
- - 1 Samuel 16:14 “But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.”
- (2 Corinthians 12:2)—the celestial kingdom. ,,,,***"
- - 2 Corinthians 12:2 “I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven." - - Isaiah 14:14 “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
I'm not sure what you expected. If you're going to come here spreading heresy, it's not going to be accepted.
Idk about that, Paul clarified the group (of us who) are alive and still remain as who are left at the coming of the Lord. This doesn't necessarily indicate that Paul is including himself in the subgroup of who are left at the coming within the whole group (of us).
Nufan seems to be Nofan of Paul.
He also has no understanding of the progression of the gospel of God. Sure, Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever, but He was never revealed all at once.
He also doesn't seem to be asking any questions... just cutting a pasting what he believes. #shrug Can't force anyone to learn anything.
He also has no understanding of the progression of the gospel of God. Sure, Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever, but He was never revealed all at once.
He also doesn't seem to be asking any questions... just cutting a pasting what he believes. #shrug Can't force anyone to learn anything.
@Nufan
You'll have to retract this:
Paul told no one to go out to the desert to see Jesus there. Besides, Luke wrote the account.
The Matthew passage you referenced occurs during the great tribulation:
Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world...
You really need someone to teach you how to read and study the scriptures. All kinds of bad theology exists (like "Paul and Jesus don't jive", "Jesus is not coming back", and "Pumpernickel bread is the best bread") because people take verses and passages out of context.
I could help you if you want my help.
You'll have to retract this:
- saul/"Apostle" Paul said he saw Jesus in the desert before he got to Damascus,,, (Acts 9:3)
- God Said that if anyone says they saw Him in the desert,, they are LIARS,,- (Matthew 24:26)
Paul told no one to go out to the desert to see Jesus there. Besides, Luke wrote the account.
The Matthew passage you referenced occurs during the great tribulation:
Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world...
You really need someone to teach you how to read and study the scriptures. All kinds of bad theology exists (like "Paul and Jesus don't jive", "Jesus is not coming back", and "Pumpernickel bread is the best bread") because people take verses and passages out of context.
I could help you if you want my help.
Sure, I'm open to that I would love to be able to take Jesus and Paul and see how they jive, so to say, but still, no one's been able to show me how the theology of Paul is compatible with the words of Jesus.
Then you don't agree with scripture ----which says itself ---
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Then your not a true Christian as you are contradicting what Scripture really says ========and the Hioly Spirit who is God would not Constrict what God says is true ------
Your a False Christrin trying to cause discord and disruption amongst True Believers =====
God's word who Is Jesus by the way -----will never contradict itself ---------NOR ---Would True Christians go against what God says in His Word ---
Paul says it very Plainly here ------
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But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we [originally] preached to you, let him be condemned to destruction!
The Pharisees were False Preachers and Jesus Called therm out s on several occasions ----called them Vipers --Hypocrites and whitewashed on the outside but defiled on the inside -----
Your presenting yourself ==== like maybe your a Pharisees --????????????===preaching a different Gospel --making up your own rules and fostering unbelief and doubt to to others like the Pharisees were doing ------
You Cannot choose which SCRIPTURE --YOU WANT TO BELIEVE --AND WHICH SCRIPTURE YOU DON" WANT TO BELIEVE ----YOU EITHER BELIEVE ALL SCRIPTURE ______OR YOU BELIEVE NON OF IT ______
JESUS SAID =========JESUS IS THE WORD ___FOLKS
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YOU EITHER BELIEVE ALL SCRIPTURE __OR YOU BELIEVE NONE OF IT ---NO MIDDLE GROUND ----
FALSE PROPHETS --try to make you believe there is a Middle Ground -----
GOD"S WORD CONTAINS ____NO____CONTRADICTIONS IF YOU DO YOUR RIGHT RESEARCH _____PERIOD