Hebrews 6, makes it clear. People can lose their salvation, though I don't think it is easy to do.
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as I said ... no one can lose their salvation .my feet are on solid ground of truth and no liers will change my mind more importantly it is written. no one can shut the door christ Jesus has opened
OH and satan,, ,have a good rebuke.. I told you not to test the name of Jesus Christ
OH and satan,, ,have a good rebuke.. I told you not to test the name of Jesus Christ
I'm not sure what's going on but are you upset? Because there is no ill-will toward you that I can see from anyone? I hope and pray you are okay in Christ.
Satan???
You need to get a grip. Dino246 is simply asking you to reasonably explain your side of the issue.
If you can.
Well, there certainly is no good reason to repudiate one's salvation, but sadly some souls may shipwreck their faith,
perhaps because their pastors failed to teach them answers to the questions atheists ask, so they were susceptible
to temptation/doubt, like Adam and Eve. Only God knows whose faith is genuine and will produce fruit/persevere
and whose defective or an imitation of the real and will wither (Matt. 13:3-9 & 18-23).
If you are that easily tempted to sin, that’s a “you” problem, and you are not mature enough to interact on this forum. You aren’t “Christ’s anointed” any more than anyone else here. I suggest you have a long conversation with Him about your arrogance and immaturity.
Here is the gorilla in the room on the issue of the continuation of the physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit, the lack of prima facie to their argument. In other words, where is the tangible results that should be evident if those who claim this continuation is true?
There was clear tangible evidence of the physical supernatural manifestations in the New Testament times. If these manifestations are still occurring there should be the same confirmation today...if not more.
The debate on if the age of the miraculous is ongoing is not simply an issue of verses but one of prima facie. Just as those of the Flat Earth Society insist that since the Bible proclaims the earth is flat (which it of course does not) all Christians should join them, so too are groups like the Pentecostals using the same reasoning.
Yes the Bible does teach about and record the miraculous but it does not express its continuation into our time of faith without sight.
No one is grabbing the cloaks of the Charismatics or pulling the roofs off the Pentecostal churches.
We are living in a age of faith without sight and we are blessed because of it.
John 20:29
Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
My 2 cents worth here ----
Folks ---you do not need any degrees to Preach ---Teach God's word -----all that is Needed is to first come to understand that you are a Sinner in need of a Saviour --and Accept God the Father's drawing to change your hardened heart to a soft heart which accepts His Gospel and inbirths the right faith in you to receive His free Graced Gift of Salvation so the Holy Spirit indwells you -----
All the Degrees given both theological and otherwise in this physical world are for this Physical world to get employment in this physical world ----cause that is the way this world works -----
All the Seminary training ---the University theological training cannot and will not give you the Spiritual insight needed to discern what Spiritual lessons are in Scripture -----only the indwelling of the Holy spirit can do that ----and that is God's Graced free gift to us --when we receive Jesus in our hearts ---
So all their training and degrees are in place for bragging rights when they apply for a job in this world ---but it won't help them with Spiritual Discernment ----and rightly dividing the Word of God ---------no man made school can give you that ------only having the indwelling Holy Spirit can do that -----
Here is the thing with Seminary Schools and Theological Universities -----all they can give you is practical training in the History of the Bible ---if the teachers are not Born Again and I would say 95% are not true believers ----then they are teaching from their worldly intellect -----
AI Overview
Different religious traditions have distinct seminary schools dedicated to training religious leaders. Roman Catholic, Orthodox Christian, and various Protestant denominations (e.g., Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist) all have their own seminary systems. These schools often focus on the specific theological and practical training relevant to their respective traditions.
I say --here lies the problem with Seminary Schools etc ---all teaching what they see and think ---not what God sees and thinks
Folks ---you do not need any degrees to Preach ---Teach God's word -----all that is Needed is to first come to understand that you are a Sinner in need of a Saviour --and Accept God the Father's drawing to change your hardened heart to a soft heart which accepts His Gospel and inbirths the right faith in you to receive His free Graced Gift of Salvation so the Holy Spirit indwells you -----
All the Degrees given both theological and otherwise in this physical world are for this Physical world to get employment in this physical world ----cause that is the way this world works -----
All the Seminary training ---the University theological training cannot and will not give you the Spiritual insight needed to discern what Spiritual lessons are in Scripture -----only the indwelling of the Holy spirit can do that ----and that is God's Graced free gift to us --when we receive Jesus in our hearts ---
So all their training and degrees are in place for bragging rights when they apply for a job in this world ---but it won't help them with Spiritual Discernment ----and rightly dividing the Word of God ---------no man made school can give you that ------only having the indwelling Holy Spirit can do that -----
Here is the thing with Seminary Schools and Theological Universities -----all they can give you is practical training in the History of the Bible ---if the teachers are not Born Again and I would say 95% are not true believers ----then they are teaching from their worldly intellect -----
AI Overview
Different religious traditions have distinct seminary schools dedicated to training religious leaders. Roman Catholic, Orthodox Christian, and various Protestant denominations (e.g., Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist) all have their own seminary systems. These schools often focus on the specific theological and practical training relevant to their respective traditions.
I say --here lies the problem with Seminary Schools etc ---all teaching what they see and think ---not what God sees and thinks
In school or not, what is needed in order for anyone to learn God's Word is sincere seeking with an open mind,
and then after learning God's requirement for salvation and satisfying that condition by believing in Christ
and receiving His Holy Spirit, for believers to continue seeking God's truth and growing toward Christlikeness.
I was thinking the same as you.
Me thinks that Taylorj2 has ventured into the real world now.
There are many more sides to a debate than what he imagined.
You shot a bullseye with that post.
That is exactly the problem.
The Reformers adopted a shell of a church from the Catholics.
Unknowingly, the Reformation church continued the tradition they received.
Then the Protestants raised in Reformed church split and formed the Protestant church.
1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.
Even though they read the verse above they continue in multiplying words, minus the power
of the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you
are the Lord’s commandment.
I did not say that only tongues survived into the 21st century.
On the topic of tongues please read the following verse.
1 Corinthians 14:2
For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands,
but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
An interpreter of tongues is not someone who Google translates, an interpreter is someone
whom is gifted to translate spiritual language.
When your speaking to God in the Spirit your not repeating the Hail Mary ten times.
You have a choice to make.
Will you pray in the spirit or with your mind.
Here is a stronger verse to support apostasy.
Romans 11:22
Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness,
if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
Israel was chosen then severed from Christ and that was our example.
Many Gentiles have already been severed from Christ and an increasing number will follow.
Wrong -----you are to be Of ONE MIND --NOT AN OPEN MIND
Philippians 2:2
New International Version
then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind.
1 Peter 3:8 ESV
Finally, all of you, have unity of mind,
1 Corinthians 1:10 ESV
I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.
Wrong again -----no sinners seeks God's word --Period =====God the Father seeks us ------
AI Overview
The verse, John 6:44, states, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."
This verse emphasizes that the initial step of coming to Jesus is enabled by God the Father drawing individuals to him.
It highlights that faith and belief in Jesus are not solely human choices but are influenced by God's initiative.
i say ----God the Changes the heart of a person ----we all have Hardened hearts towards God until God the Father Draws the person and that person accepts God Drawing then God the Father Changes the Hardened Heart of the person to a heart that can accept the Gospel and then when they read the Gospel God's Faith is inbirthed in them and only then can they be saved ----God's Saving Graced gift of Salvation comes Through His Saving Faith ------which comes through hearing His Word ----
Ezekiel 36:26
English Revised Version
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
From Strong's Concordence
Ezekiel reverses the polarity in the new-covenant promise: “I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh” (Ezekiel 36:26), not celebrating weakness but promising a responsive, Spirit-wrought interior.
Are you telling me that the Holy Spirit is not active today, not active in the full power of God?
Are you saying that the Holy Spirit does not intervene in people's lives today?
Are you saying that the devil is not alive and active today?
You obviously don't believe in the power of the Holy Spirit or the devil himself.
Have you ever heard prophecy?
Do you ever receive wisdom or knowledge directly from the Holy Spirit?
What kind of clinical, barren, empty, church do you attend?