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It is a vicious circle, one must be saved to understand the word of God and when one has sold out to that which is false they are two fold lost and now must get over a false religion and being lost.....ANY gospel that embellishes faith when it comes to salvation voids the correct message, it has no power and all it does is lead one down the path toward hell and places them in an ever tougher position to actually be saved.......
Like JESUS said....the Pharisees encompassed land and sea to make a disciple and in so doing made them two fold the child of hell....
Like JESUS said....the Pharisees encompassed land and sea to make a disciple and in so doing made them two fold the child of hell....
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And they said Master you mother and brother are here and He replies who is my mother And my brother?? Those who do the Will of My Father when you spend time with Him you will understand that no He don’t leave us we turn our back on Him when we live in sin we turn our back on Him
What is the Will of Our Father
I will b their God and they will be my People if they Obey the words coming out of My Mouth
Know is it the obedience that saves us nope it’s not it the faith that we have which we received the grace of the Holy One dwelling inside us
Many find this complicated idk I find it quite simple to follow
For my Word is so easy a Child can understand it
Simple any man who says they know Me yet Abides is sin is a Liar and the truth is not in him
He is they way the truth and the Light and anyone who Follows Him will have eternal life
Why would you not wanna give up what you have to to follow Him after he was beaten spat kicked mocked punch and whipped for you??
What is the Will of Our Father
I will b their God and they will be my People if they Obey the words coming out of My Mouth
Know is it the obedience that saves us nope it’s not it the faith that we have which we received the grace of the Holy One dwelling inside us
Many find this complicated idk I find it quite simple to follow
For my Word is so easy a Child can understand it
Simple any man who says they know Me yet Abides is sin is a Liar and the truth is not in him
He is they way the truth and the Light and anyone who Follows Him will have eternal life
Why would you not wanna give up what you have to to follow Him after he was beaten spat kicked mocked punch and whipped for you??
We have free will me personally I rather Abide In Him know that does not mean we r sinless for all disobedience is sin yet there is sin that will cause you death and sin that don’t but we grow say idk someone is stuck like lying say they lie all day everyday then he or she grows closer to the Lord and soon only lies three time a day they r growing it’s the growth I believe but to say you know The Lord and not have no change then how have you even repented repent is a change of heart which leads to change of mind which does lead to the change of our ways
Yes, but the 'trust and belief' must continue in order for the result to continue.
1 John 2:24 KJV
Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
The condition for continuing in the Son, and in the Father is that the gospel you heard in the beginning remain in you. Paul says the same thing here.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
That's not a works gospel as some claim. The condition for salvation is not works. The condition is that you receive and retain the gospel message in a continuing faith.
No argument about that. The moment you trust in Christ, your faith (your believing) is credited to you as righteousness.
Turning from sin is part of the good news about Jesus. It's just that repentance does not earn justification. But it definitely is a necessary part of the the gospel message.
Acts 2:37-38 KJV
what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 3:19 KJV
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out
Just because repentance itself is not what secures a justification of righteousness that doesn't mean it's not an integral and necessary part of the gospel. You will not be saved if you do not change your mind about Christ and your sin. The person who hasn't changed his mind about sin ends up being the fake believer that gets talked about so frequently in threads like this. He wants the free gift but he doesn't want to renounce his sin. He thinks he can have the free gift without a change of mind about his sin. Won't happen.
The prerequisite to being persuaded that you can save yourself is an honest acknowledgment of your sin and your guilt. Hatred of your sin and your slavery to it is the foundation to then realizing you need Christ and Christ alone to rescue you from it. So turning from sin is definitely an integral part of the gospel. It's just that repentance itself is not what secures justification. But you must have a repentant attitude to be justified. That's not works.
That's how it works.
He'll do everything he can to keep you from falling away from your belief in justification through Christ, but ultimately that's your decision. That's not you working for your justification. That's you wanting the free gift of justification or not. You can't cast it away in unbelief and still have it. I showed you above that you have to continue in the word of the gospel in faith in order to remain in the Son and the Father.
Even if you want to argue the old Calvinist argument that only truly born again people retain what they heard in the beginning in faith, that still means you have to continue in what you heard in the beginning to be saved. You can't separate salvation and a continued belief in Christ like so many are claiming you can do. You have to keep trusting in Christ to be saved.
1 John 2:24 KJV
Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
The condition for continuing in the Son, and in the Father is that the gospel you heard in the beginning remain in you. Paul says the same thing here.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
That's not a works gospel as some claim. The condition for salvation is not works. The condition is that you receive and retain the gospel message in a continuing faith.
No argument about that. The moment you trust in Christ, your faith (your believing) is credited to you as righteousness.
Turning from sin is part of the good news about Jesus. It's just that repentance does not earn justification. But it definitely is a necessary part of the the gospel message.
Acts 2:37-38 KJV
what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 3:19 KJV
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out
Just because repentance itself is not what secures a justification of righteousness that doesn't mean it's not an integral and necessary part of the gospel. You will not be saved if you do not change your mind about Christ and your sin. The person who hasn't changed his mind about sin ends up being the fake believer that gets talked about so frequently in threads like this. He wants the free gift but he doesn't want to renounce his sin. He thinks he can have the free gift without a change of mind about his sin. Won't happen.
The prerequisite to being persuaded that you can save yourself is an honest acknowledgment of your sin and your guilt. Hatred of your sin and your slavery to it is the foundation to then realizing you need Christ and Christ alone to rescue you from it. So turning from sin is definitely an integral part of the gospel. It's just that repentance itself is not what secures justification. But you must have a repentant attitude to be justified. That's not works.
That's how it works.
He'll do everything he can to keep you from falling away from your belief in justification through Christ, but ultimately that's your decision. That's not you working for your justification. That's you wanting the free gift of justification or not. You can't cast it away in unbelief and still have it. I showed you above that you have to continue in the word of the gospel in faith in order to remain in the Son and the Father.
Even if you want to argue the old Calvinist argument that only truly born again people retain what they heard in the beginning in faith, that still means you have to continue in what you heard in the beginning to be saved. You can't separate salvation and a continued belief in Christ like so many are claiming you can do. You have to keep trusting in Christ to be saved.
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Read carefully what he's saying.
All believers sin, but that doesn't have to mean they have stopped believing in Christ. But when their sin does mean they have stopped believing in Christ that's a whole 'nuther matter.
The person who has stopped believing has no choice but to go back to the slavery of his sin. He has fallen away from Christ. That is different than the person who sins but is still trusting in Christ for salvation. They aren't 'living in' sin. They haven't fallen away from Christ.
I guess you could say the reason the 'believer' is sinning determines if the free gift of salvation is still valid for them. Sinning because you have cast away the free gift of justification in unbelief will cause you to not have that free gift anymore. You can't have the free gift that you no longer believe and trust in. You can't have the benefit of a sacrifice you do not have anymore because you do not trust in it anymore.
All believers sin, but that doesn't have to mean they have stopped believing in Christ. But when their sin does mean they have stopped believing in Christ that's a whole 'nuther matter.
The person who has stopped believing has no choice but to go back to the slavery of his sin. He has fallen away from Christ. That is different than the person who sins but is still trusting in Christ for salvation. They aren't 'living in' sin. They haven't fallen away from Christ.
I guess you could say the reason the 'believer' is sinning determines if the free gift of salvation is still valid for them. Sinning because you have cast away the free gift of justification in unbelief will cause you to not have that free gift anymore. You can't have the free gift that you no longer believe and trust in. You can't have the benefit of a sacrifice you do not have anymore because you do not trust in it anymore.
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The problem is so many think the scriptures about falling away from faith in Jesus' sacrifice doesn't mean you lose the gift of justification that sacrifice gives you.
People used to think that if you fell away from faith in Christ it meant you were never in him to begin with. Now falling away in unbelief means you only lose his active presence and power in your life.
People used to think that if you fell away from faith in Christ it meant you were never in him to begin with. Now falling away in unbelief means you only lose his active presence and power in your life.
Yes, the saved person is saved for eternity. That's not the issue. The issue is, you have to keep believing in Christ to have the benefit of his sacrifice which never stops interceding for you in heaven. Under the old covenant the sacrifice did stop interceding for you and whatever life it secured for you came to end and you had to make repeated sacrifices because the one before it got used up.
Eternal life doesn't mean you can't lose it even if you stop believing in Christ. It means the life giving effect of the sacrifice of Jesus never ends like it did for the sacrifices under the old covenant. That's why we should not throw away the confidence we have in the sacrifice of Jesus that never stops giving life. Don't throw away the sacrifice that keeps on giving, forever.
Eternal life doesn't mean you can't lose it even if you stop believing in Christ. It means the life giving effect of the sacrifice of Jesus never ends like it did for the sacrifices under the old covenant. That's why we should not throw away the confidence we have in the sacrifice of Jesus that never stops giving life. Don't throw away the sacrifice that keeps on giving, forever.
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