Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[cv5]

Good scripture quoting, they are teaching us to return to Jesus, right now!

This is a WARNING to those who have packed their bags and DEPARTED from the faith.
Who is NOT watching? Why are they not watching? Why are they being held in contempt?
What is the trigger for the Second Coming?
What do they think of the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel?

Rev 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Rev 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[Churchgoer]

This is a WARNING to those who have packed their bags and DEPARTED from the faith.
Who is NOT watching? Why are they not watching? Why are they being held in contempt?
What is the trigger for the Second Coming?
What do they think of the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel?

Rev 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Rev 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Very good scripture.

And your point?

 

[Churchgoer]

God's calling for every human is NOT at the same time. That's what Romans 11:25 tells you.

You're right, God's plan is in GOD's control and NOT ours.

What did Jesus tell Peter when Peter tried to prevent Jesus' death?

Matthew 16:21-23

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Exactly. Jesus did not command Peter to betray him.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The only thing you keep forgetting is that Jesus is going to pour out His Holy Spirit in Jerusalem (Zechariah 13:1) upon His return and those who receive it will be heirs, but all of you act like that's never going to happen because you have a beef with the current Israel. That's the thing you have to shake and the reason you reject God's word on the matter.

you nailed it !!

 

[Churchgoer]

The only thing you keep forgetting is that Jesus is going to pour out His Holy Spirit in Jerusalem (Zechariah 13:1) upon His return and those who receive it will be heirs, but all of you act like that's never going to happen because you have a beef with the current Israel. That's the thing you have to shake and the reason you reject God's word on the matter.

Zechariah 13:1
this is great, so today we encourage secular jewrusalem to sin more?

Did you read the part "they will mourn, the one they pierced.....? "
Why?
They probably regret for all the sin they committed today ( many people are encouraging them to sin today. Hey yah yah... ) and their families got destroyed eternally because of today's sin.

Isn't that twisted?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Isn't that twisted?

It is, but not for the reason you think it is. lol

 

[Revelation1v8]

Exactly. Jesus did not command Peter to betray him.

I think you missed the point of the message. Peter trying to keep Jesus from his pre-ordained death was a work of Satan because it was God's will for Jesus to die on the cross in order to forgive us our sins. Likewise, anyone who doesn't want God/Jesus to fulfill His written plan for Israel/Jews is thinking like men and not like God.

 

[cv5]

Very good scripture.

And your point?

My point is that you do not understand the point.

Nor do you understand that the מוֹעֲדֵי יְהוָה — moʿadei YHWH aka “the appointed times of Yahweh.”, the Seven Feasts of Moses, prove beyond the slightest shadow of a doubt the mechanism for the Second Coming and the Restoration of the Kingdom to Israel and is the backup to the prophecies of the Restoration so noted in the book of Hosea, Zechariah, Joel and many other prophets.

Go ahead. Ask your supercessionist and preterist buddies to chime in on this post.
It should be entertaining to observe the slapstick antics and desperate flailing.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Zechariah 13:1
this is great, so today we encourage secular jewrusalem to sin more?

Did you read the part "they will mourn, the one they pierced.....? "
Why?
They probably regret for all the sin they committed today ( many people are encouraging them to sin today. Hey yah yah... ) and their families got destroyed eternally because of today's sin.

Isn't that twisted?

Zechariah 13:1 is showing you that Jesus will open up a fountain to the House of David (pour out his Holy Spirit) in order to cleanse the people (who choose to receive it) while He cuts all of the idols out of the land. Telling secular Jerusalem to sin no more at this point will fall on deaf ears and blind eyes (see Romans 11:25) until every last Gentile that is meant to be saved is saved.

Yes, when Jesus returns, they will mourn and many of them will repent for having rejected Jesus.

The sin they committed today? Care to share? Did Hamas break some violations today in Gaza again and threaten to kidnap more people?

It's all twisted over there, and the Muslims will do everything in their power to twist the message of how or why they are getting attacked. Hamas and Hezbollah have already declared holy war on Israel over the last few years. They have absolutely no intention of quitting their fight. They are on a mission to take over Israel, if they think they can. That's the problem with Islamic Jihadists. They don't care if they die. They believe dying for their religious cause is the highest honor you can receive in the eyes of their god. It really takes some research and study on the religion and the different terrorist groups over there to understand why they do what they do.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Not sure how many times I have to repeat this but here we go again.....

The church (ekklesia) is also found in the OT times... God has always had a faithful, called out people, from the beginning.


Those who trusted in future coming Promise and those who trusted in The Promise when it arrived.

amen

“And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: and Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: and all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: and Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hebrews hall of faith in chapter 11 is wonderful to speak to what your saying

“And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: and others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: they were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:32-40‬ ‭


The men bieng used for examples are Old Testament faithful like abel and Enoch abraham Isaac and Jacob David and the prophets ect plus the many martyrs

 

[Pilgrimshope]

There was no New Testament gospel in the old testament before Jesus came in the flesh that was sent to the gentiles because the Jews rejected Jesus

All that went down in the New Covenant.

You did understand that there was an old covenant that Jesus came to take away so He could establish the New Covenant right?

you mean he came to fulfill it …..right ?

 

[Beekeeper]

This is a WARNING to those who have packed their bags and DEPARTED from the faith.
Who is NOT watching? Why are they not watching? Why are they being held in contempt?
What is the trigger for the Second Coming?
What do they think of the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel?

Rev 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Rev 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Watch WHAT?
The news?
Israel?
Did you think you had to get ready to start flapping your wings?

Nobody knows the time appointed for our death or for the second coming of Christ, and that is the reason given why we should watch our spiritual condition.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

The only thing we have to do when Jesus comes is be judged.

 

[Churchgoer]

My point is that you do not understand the point.

Nor do you understand that the מוֹעֲדֵי יְהוָה — moʿadei YHWH aka “the appointed times of Yahweh.”, the Seven Feasts of Moses, prove beyond the slightest shadow of a doubt the mechanism for the Second Coming and the Restoration of the Kingdom to Israel and is the backup to the prophecies of the Restoration so noted in the book of Hosea, Zechariah, Joel and many other prophets.

Go ahead. Ask your supercessionist and preterist buddies to chime in on this post.
It should be entertaining to observe the slapstick antics and desperate flailing.

Obviously you don't have a point.

Or your point is to support secular Israel, that is equal to support the jew leaders 2000 years ago, fulfill the role to crucify Jesus.

You think Jesus need your help to go on the cross? Jesus need your help to 2nd coming?

So twisted beyond any Jesus teaching.

Choose this day who you want to serve, the almighty God Jesus, or the other side who is clearly mocking Jesus and doing all the murdering, pedophilia, sexual immorality.

 

[Beekeeper]

Yea but my point is even though you think there’s plenty of evidence . Someone arguing for after ad 70 would and do say the same thing . But neither side actually can prove when it was written


its sort of a point that both sides often use to support thier point or reject the other persons but in reality there is no way to empirically prove when it was written . It’s just a basic point bro I wasn’t saying it was written after I was saying there’s no way to prove when it was written by anyone

With the other books of the we first read the book to determine the date, so determining the date first to understand Revelation is kind of like putting the cart before the horse.

A few of date indicators within Revelation include John being requested to "measure" the temple and those that worship in it (11:1), indicating that the temple was not yet destroyed at the time of the vision, ie before 70AD.
The 2 witnesses in that chapter also prophesy in Jerusalem "a thousand two hundred and threescore days".
Jerusalem is identified in v.8, and in the passage appears to be populated and not yet destroyed.

Having identified the "great city" of 11:8 as Jerusalem, we already have the identity of the harlot in chapter 17.
We are told a great deal about this harlot, and it would be difficult to miss her identity.
The harlot seems alive and well as she sits on the beast (17:3), and the relationship between the woman and the beast has not yet become openly hostile.
This beast is identified as Rome in 17:9 by the seven mountains, but John seems to hope that mainly Christians will understand this identification, ie "the mind which hath wisdom".
In 17:16 John also predicts the Roman destruction of Jerusalem as future.

I have only covered these two chapters, because they are fresh in my mind from a recent conversation with @OMC, but the whole book is full if similar date indicators.

We could of course consider the possibility that Revelation was written after these events, explaining the past rather than predicting the future.
If we were discussing Moses writing Genesis that would be the case, but with Revelation I doubt it.
We are told that the book is about things that must shortly come to pass, not events of the past.

For people interested in exploring this view of Revelation I will also post a sermon by Chuck Baldwin.
At this point in time I find no reason not to endorse the things said in this sermon: