Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

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I'm not sure Dave all over the place but that good one day he get it as one big picture revealing the Bible tells all about Joseph lineage .Joseph gets much credit in the word of God . And I'll let you in a little secret Jesus look like Joseph that's the type of God we serve
 
I'm not sure Dave all over the place but that good one day he get it as one big picture revealing the Bible tells all about Joseph lineage .Joseph gets much credit in the word of God . And I'll let you in a little secret Jesus look like Joseph that's the type of God we serve
There is a verse in Matthew that tells us that Joseph was a just man:

Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly.

I don't know if that is the "much credit" you were thinking of.

As for your "little secret", where are we told in the Bible that Jesus looked like Joseph? Why should He look like Joseph? Joseph was not His father, God was:

NKJV Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

NKJV Luk 1:34 Then Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I do not know a man?"
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
 
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There is a verse in Matthew that tells us that Joseph was a just man:

Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly.

I don't know if that is the "much credit" you were thinking of.

As for your "little secret", where are we told in the Bible that Jesus looked like Joseph? Why should He look like Joseph? Joseph was not His father, God was:

NKJV Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

NKJV Luk 1:34 Then Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I do not know a man?"
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
That that all u do is post mixed scripts and you most everything you say is are I mean be child life but don't be childish it's cute for a second but that's about it why would we want to waste our time just to appease you. You don't understand anything that's written anyway impossible without the holy Spirit
you see the evidence we just talked about Paul and Silas praising the Lord I don't see anybody talking about praising The Lord in here if I was the Lord I would not do anything either really we're the ones supposed to be doing it that why he gave his power it's like buying a Corvette and parking in the garage just because you have one best is bury it at least show mt Truth
 
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That that all u do is post mixed scripts and you most everything you say is are I mean be child life but don't be childish it's cute for a second but that's about it why would we want to waste our time just to appease you. You don't understand anything that's written anyway impossible without the holy Spirit
you see the evidence we just talked about Paul and Silas praising the Lord I don't see anybody talking about praising The Lord in here if I was the Lord I would not do anything either really we're the ones supposed to be doing it that why he gave his power it's like buying a Corvette and parking in the garage just because you have one best is bury it at least show mt Truth
I am not mixing scripts (did you mean "Scriptures?") or being cute or child-like. You had written: ".Joseph gets much credit in the word of God ." I was pointing out that Joseph gets very little credit. He is called a just man - that's it. Of course he had nothing to do with Mary becoming pregnant with Jesus. How is posting that childish or cute?

I love praising the Lord, and I do so every day. But this is a discussion forum. My praise of God is not a matter of discussing it with other people.

I agree that we need the Holy Spirit to understand God's word. Indeed, if we don't have the Holy Spirit, we cannot truly be Christians.
 
I was clarifying D's position. I know Jesus was the Davidic king by birthright. D does not know this.
Your quote;
"Jesus does not have legal claim by family associations. He has legal claim by his own power and authority."
 
Your quote;
"Jesus does not have legal claim by family associations. He has legal claim by his own power and authority."

P,
Sorry, you have miss quoted me. So to clarify,
I know that Jesus was born into the line of Davidic Kings. That his step father Joseph was the Davidic King had he been allowed to rule. And upon the passing of Joseph then Jesus was the next Davidic King by birthright. Jesus then at his passing assigned the Davidic throne to John. And today John is the Davidic King. That by the Davidic Covenant many will survive the coming tribulation.
 
P,
Sorry, you have miss quoted me. So to clarify,
I know that Jesus was born into the line of Davidic Kings. That his step father Joseph was the Davidic King had he been allowed to rule. And upon the passing of Joseph then Jesus was the next Davidic King by birthright. Jesus then at his passing assigned the Davidic throne to John. And today John is the Davidic King. That by the Davidic Covenant many will survive the coming tribulation.
You are guessing at it.
He assigned John TO TAKE CARE OF MARY.
AND MARY to recieve John as her own.

You 100% made up the "John king" doctrine.
There is nothing pointing to that, nor does it fit anything.
It is way way out there and false.
 
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P,
Sorry, you have miss quoted me. So to clarify,
I know that Jesus was born into the line of Davidic Kings. That his step father Joseph was the Davidic King had he been allowed to rule. And upon the passing of Joseph then Jesus was the next Davidic King by birthright. Jesus then at his passing assigned the Davidic throne to John. And today John is the Davidic King. That by the Davidic Covenant many will survive the coming tribulation.
Post a link to anyone in the world wide web with your doctrine of John taking the place of Jesus on David's throne.
 
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Looking on the web.
Google:
"No mainstream Christian denomination or recognized religious sect teaches that the Apostle John will sit on the throne of David. Across historic Christianity, Judaism, and major theological frameworks, the throne of David is exclusively prophesied and assigned to Jesus Christ as the messianic"

so you are of some sect like "nation of islam"....or watchtower....or some sect that tampers with the testimony of Jesus.
You can not possibly know Jesus and attempt to dethrone him.

You error is you do not know Jesus.
 
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You are guessing at it.
He assigned John TO TAKE CARE OF MARY.
AND MARY to recieve John as her own.

You 100% made up the "John king" doctrine.
There is nothing pointing to that, nor does it fit anything.
It is way way out there and false.

Sorry, you again are wrong. But I have explained all of this.
And let me tell you again.
When the tribulation comes there is no rapture. There is however an exodus. Nevertheless, those going on the exodus will have lived into the time of the tribulation. Perhaps two months or so.

As the tribulation progresses then the saints are targeted and killed. Any saint who takes the mark of the beast looses their salvation and receives the same judgment as those who follow the beast.

At about 3 years into the tribulation the saints of God are harvested. It is then that the beast who caused the tribulation is destroyed. This take us to the midpoint. Then comes the judgment upon the world populations. Those people who accept the Savior in contrast to those who do not. This takes place over 3.5 years after which comes the RAPTURE of the planet.

The total amount of time is seven years. Only those who come under the Davidic Covenant are spared. That is, John, the Davidic King, rules the earth under the direction of Jesus Christ.

I realize that you do not know these things and do not believe these things. And that is Okay. I am telling you that you will not survive the tribulation. You will however have salvation in the kingdom of God along with all the saints of God.
 
Post a link to anyone in the world wide web with your doctrine of John taking the place of Jesus on David's throne.

Sorry, this information is not on the world wide web as far as I know.
And, I did not say that John takes the place of Jesus on David's throne.
And the doctrine that I shared with you is the Savior's doctrine.

1) Jesus was born into the line of Davidic Kings
2) Jesus upon his passing designated John as his succcessor
3) John was given the promise to live till Jesus comes again
4) Therefore John is the current Davidic King
5) Therefore the current Davidic King leads his people into the tribulation
6) Therefore the Davidic Covenant is active under John the Davidic King
7) The protection of Jesus' saints comes under the Davidic Covenant
8) The protection of Jesus' saints comes under John the Davidic King

I realize that you can not read the Book of Revelation. Nevertheless, the Davidic King wrote that book to his 144,000 servants. That when the time was at hand they are to get ready. And I am calling out to any of the Savior's servants to hear the message. Since you can not accept the message then you are not one of these that go on the exodus and must wait till the harvest. Since you are not one of these then you will not survive the tribulation. And as I said there is nothing wrong with that. You have salvation in the kingdom of God.
 
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P,
Sorry, you have miss quoted me. So to clarify,
I know that Jesus was born into the line of Davidic Kings. That his step father Joseph was the Davidic King had he been allowed to rule. And upon the passing of Joseph then Jesus was the next Davidic King by birthright. Jesus then at his passing assigned the Davidic throne to John. And today John is the Davidic King. That by the Davidic Covenant many will survive the coming tribulation.
Now The king line was dry up Dead ,the prophecy was the sprout from dead stump. The people alway thaught a king rule on the earth, was to come .that was not the plan. Kings had to be Anointed . Jesus Has All Authority heaven and Earth King of All.
Jesse was the orig name line so that no mistake at the end Jesus say who he is from David at return .
I say im waitng on The king Return .No Other Anointed king is ,Just Jesus that brang the line back from the dead.
To top it off Jesus is King Highest priest & Prophet This is The new Anointed . The only kings are The anointed one s branched . They are kings priest prophet order. Both jesus or John baptist Could been their earthly king But as you see Both got Killed rejected etc. God plan prevailed . Jesus Only extends ON to the Anointed He calls them kings priests prophets . For Jesus is The Son of man Glorified Lord &God King of kings
 
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Now The king line was dry up Dead ,the prophecy was the sprout from dead stump. The people alway thaught a king rule on the earth, was to come .that was not the plan. Kings had to be Anointed . Jesus Has All Authority heaven and Earth King of All.
Jesse was the orig name line so that no mistake at the end Jesus say who he is from David at return .
I say im waitng on The king Return .No Other Anointed king is ,Just Jesus that brang the line back from the dead.
To top it off Jesus is King Highest priest & Prophet This is The new Anointed . The only kings are The anointed one s branched . They are kings priest prophet order. Both jesus or John baptist Could been their earthly king But as you see Both got Killed rejected etc. God plan prevailed . Jesus Only extends ON to the Anointed He calls them kings priests prophets . For Jesus is The Son of man Glorified Lord &God King of kings

Thak you, F,
It has been a long standing tradition in the Christian community that Jesus was not a Davidic King in reality, but in name only. In that way he can be called the only Davidic King.

However, when the line of Davidic kings is considered from King David down through time, the family line did not end. So at the time Jesus was in mortality a fair question would be, who was the rightful heir to the Davidic throne.

Many argue that it was not Jesus.
 
There is a verse in Matthew that tells us that Joseph was a just man:

Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly.

I don't know if that is the "much credit" you were thinking of.

As for your "little secret", where are we told in the Bible that Jesus looked like Joseph? Why should He look like Joseph? Joseph was not His father, God was:

NKJV Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

NKJV Luk 1:34 Then Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I do not know a man?"
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
Here met the Joseph The Lord chose
Heaven gave him immense credit and trust, choosing him for one of the most important, hands-on jobs in man history: protecting and raising Jesus on earth.
Just like the Joseph of the Old Testament, Mary’s husband Joseph lived out Aman (rock-solid trust) and Parah (fruitfulness) in a quiet, powerful way.

Why Heaven Gave Joseph So Much Credit
Joseph was not a king or a priest. He was a simple carpenter—a man who worked with his hands. Heaven trusted him because his faith was completely hands-on.
  • He heard and immediately obeyed: Every time God spoke to Joseph in a dream through an angel, Joseph didn't argue or wait. He just did it. When the angel told him to marry Mary, he did. When the angel said to flee to Egypt to save the baby from a wicked king, he packed up in the middle of the night and left.
  • He leaned (Aman) on God during a scandal: In his town, Mary becoming pregnant before marriage was a massive scandal. Joseph could have walked away to save his own reputation. Instead, he leaned his full weight on God's word, ignored the gossip, and protected Mary.
  • He provided the "soil" for Jesus to grow: Joseph gave Jesus his earthly name, taught him how to work with wood, and kept him safe. Heaven credited Joseph with the job of showing Jesus what a loving, earthly father looks like.
His Silent Fruitfulness (Parah)
In the Bible, Joseph never speaks a single word that is recorded. His faith was entirely silent and active.
He didn't just talk about Godly love; he lived it. By protecting the Savior of the world, his quiet obedience bore a harvest of fruit (Parah) that still blesses the entire world today. Heaven looked at his willing heart, his working hands, and his deep trust, and trusted him with its greatest treasure.
 
Is there a book of generations that's what I hear and I think in the book it even says Joseph born Jesus
it don't matter if I'm wrong or right , none of US would have got the job done . Anyway for those who know the Lord he cannot just pull any man out of the he chose The line of Jesse ,Jiseph mary husband is line of Judah! By knowing the Lord God other people would assume Jesus was his son of joseph most likely because Jesus look like him. also if Joseph was not of a line, it would make the prophecies false . little thing is the biggest of days
 
Is there a book of generations that's what I hear and I think in the book it even says Joseph born Jesus
it don't matter if I'm wrong or right , none of US would have got the job done . Anyway for those who know the Lord he cannot just pull any man out of the he chose The line of Jesse ,Jiseph mary husband is line of Judah! By knowing the Lord God other people would assume Jesus was his son of joseph most likely because Jesus look like him. also if Joseph was not of a line, it would make the prophecies false . little thing is the biggest of days
While Joseph gave Jesus the legal right to the throne, Mary gave Jesus His physical blood connection to David "according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3).
The main difference between their two lines is that Joseph descended from David's son King Solomon, while Mary descended from David's son Nathan.
The Lineage Found in Luke 3
Most may conclude that the family tree in Luke 3:23–38 records Mary's biological lineage. In ancient Hebrew culture, women's names were typically left out of official family trees, so her father Heli is listed, and Mary's husband Joseph is mentioned as Heli's legal son (son-in-law) by marriage.
According to the text in Luke, Mary's line moves backward in history like this:
  • Her Father: Heli
  • Her Grandfather: Matthat
  • Her Royal Ancestor: King David, specifically through his son Nathan (Luke 3:31)
  • The Foundation: All the way back to Judah, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, and ultimately to Adam.
  • So Now Jesus has Two Title lines
  • King And Priest
 
Thak you, F,
It has been a long standing tradition in the Christian community that Jesus was not a Davidic King in reality, but in name only. In that way he can be called the only Davidic King.

However, when the line of Davidic kings is considered from King David down through time, the family line did not end. So at the time Jesus was in mortality a fair question would be, who was the rightful heir to the Davidic throne.

Many argue that it was not Jesus.
Im not into this But now im remember why you and D. Differ on the lineage .
i try but seek it out yourself. Joseph mary husband Had the badge of Honor but saith the lord The flesh seed was cut off but the records still show up as Joseph the loop hole was not of The cut off Fresh to keep the Oath God said true .The loop hole was legal adoption type of setting . documents on paper is Jesus in The first in line to that throne .So back then if anybody figured it out They would See Jesus came At the only perfect time in history to accomplish This unique position.. I guess it's good to know but it doesn't do any good to stay there certain things that left out of the Bible for a reason just know what happened move on. Ithink it was Jeremiah 22
And now you know why the the census and the taxes and The paper trails
The Gospel record.
people looked at Jesus and missed the bigger picture because of His close connection to Mary's husband Joseph:
Curse of Jeconiah" found in the Old Testament book of Jeremiah 22:30. God was so angry with King Jeconiah (also called Jehoiachin) that He said none of his biological children would ever sit on the throne of David again.
The way Jewish history and the New Testament handle this situation reveals how the family records survived. Hope this helps i see man and gid law here it is Gospel necessary
 
While Joseph gave Jesus the legal right to the throne, Mary gave Jesus His physical blood connection to David "according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3).
The main difference between their two lines is that Joseph descended from David's son King Solomon, while Mary descended from David's son Nathan.
The Lineage Found in Luke 3
Most may conclude that the family tree in Luke 3:23–38 records Mary's biological lineage. In ancient Hebrew culture, women's names were typically left out of official family trees, so her father Heli is listed, and Mary's husband Joseph is mentioned as Heli's legal son (son-in-law) by marriage.
According to the text in Luke, Mary's line moves backward in history like this:
  • Her Father: Heli
  • Her Grandfather: Matthat
  • Her Royal Ancestor: King David, specifically through his son Nathan (Luke 3:31)
  • The Foundation: All the way back to Judah, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, and ultimately to Adam.
  • So Now Jesus has Two Title lines
  • King And Priest

Thank you, F.
Since Jesus had no children, then to whom do the two title lines go?
 
Thank you, F.
Since Jesus had no children, then to whom do the two title lines go?
Me final answer
Thats part of jesus why came for All judgement Authority Heaven and Earth .The New nation Sons of man New Jerusalem He bring the New Wine the Bread The perfect peace offering of The King of Peace .
 
Thank you, F.
Since Jesus had no children, then to whom do the two title lines go?
Jesus did bear fruit .that he shown himself A new Creation Glorified Son of Man Being Lord & God if that sets good The Fruit is The Seed Quickened means dead to Life
you heard Glory to Glory
We Blessed to know Parah to Parah Ruach the anointing is The Quickened Seed, best i can do without gerting confusing.. if you tagged along other posts you may see Gods first and last command to man. they are both Parah and jesus would have most definitely use the word or both parahRuach one syllable it a rare sound all i can add try speaking or getting the Sound out in One syllable the CH is a K in deep throat.
The Pomeranian can say it perfectly lol
no wonder I call her Throne room don't feel bad the Pomeranians been saying it for going on 10 years. I just caught on a few months ago funny thing is I did try copying her for years