As long as they are still alive, they have the opporunity to turn from unrighteousness and unto God.
If they don't...their fate is sealed.
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If they don't...their fate is sealed.
I fail to see any connection.
The thorn could have been anything from a speech impediment, to a crushed in skull from his stoning.
Paul was the worst of those Christ died for.
But he didn't keep persecuting the church after his conversion.
BTW, Paul wrote..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
Does that sound like something from a sinner ?
what a judgmental Westboro type of mindset. You must be a troll.
1Ti 1:15 This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst.
1Ti 1:16 But for this very reason I was shown mercy, so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display His perfect patience as an example to those who would believe in Him for eternal life.
the text is not he issue its the Condemnation of the poster :
"Backsliders are worse off than they were before they got born again in the first place! Imagine that!"
"They are definitely on their way to hell once again."
Guess praying for the backslider is useless from this stand point . I guess all his house is saved too? So, one can write off everyone else.
That is just a paraphrase of wht Pter wrote.
Is that not true ?
Keep praying for everyone.
Who knows if they are close to actually turning from sin ?
No one knows if thy will be saved, as the "race" is not yet over.
Thta is not the way of a Christian, as we have been taught to pray, even for enemies.
What about those that did repent of all their sins and then later they went back to them
Are they still in right standing with the Lord as they live in sin once again?
Really? So the warnings God gives in His Word written to Christians concerning what happens to those who turn back to sin cvan be ignored then?
What about future sins?
Is 1 John 1:9 error?
Yeah we know no Christian ever got drunk.
The reformers got drunk, like Martin Luther who was a known drunk
There new sins show that they did NOT 'turn from' sin !
Their repentnaces were false.
Not a chance.
The warnings are to be heeded, so we don't follow after those returning to the darkness.
What future sins will a servant of God commit ?
No, it is the road map for sinners to start walking in the light...which is God...in whom is no sin.
I know that...don't you ?
Drunks walk after the flesh...not afer thr Spirit.
Paul writes..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal 5:19-21)
No, the actually did turn from sin... and later turned back to their sin.
It's called backsliding and the Lord talks about this in His Word.
Everyone at some point after having gotten born again has turned away from the Lord to do something sinful.
James 4:17 - anyone who knows what is right but does not do it is guilty of sin.
This includes you and all the rest of us. Anybody claiming they have never fallen short of God's perfection after having been born again and liars and the Lord said all liars will have their part in the lake that burns with fire because lying is a sin.
I dunno. You're going to sin a few more times before you die so you tell me.
Anytime you know something is wrong and you decide to do it anyway, you have committed sin.
After having gotten born again, you failed to use 1 John 1:9 to confess your sins to the Lord so you could be forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness?
You're claim is there's never been anyone who got born again and then later committed the sin of getting drunk?
Those teaching false doctrine are also walking after the flesh which is what the reformers did and are doing.
Those being led by the Holy Spirit wouldn't be scripture twisting and ignoring large portions of scripture like the reformers did and are doing.
In the grand picture, they did not turn from sin. Had they, they wouldn't have sinned again.
Nobody who turns from sin, commits another sin.
Take that to heart, in everyday living.
Sorry you feel that way.
I know God is capable of keeping everyone that loves Him free from sin.
In fact, He had this written for us..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)
Don't hold your breath awaiting me to satisfy a lust of the flesh, as they are dead and gone.
It is written..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
I agree.
Having been reborn from God's seed, I am incapable of bringing forth Adam's fruit.
Yes.
I agree.
Don't you think that those who make accommodation for continued sin, are false teachers ?
I agree.
If the fruit of a teaching leads to more sinning...it is NOT of God.
You know shared it before I was just lying on the bed reading His word and in the margin said if your heart convicts you you won't get any thing from God. I got up said "I quit" I meant it. I said "my heart convicts me 24/7 of sin. I got up, reached for the door, and he said, "What is righteousness?". I said, "Okay." As I turned around, I said, "Righteousness is right standing with God." He asked, "How do you get righteousness?" I said, "By believing in Jesus Christ." Something happened. I cried and cried. It was like being blind, and then you can see.
I've always been taught to make sure it's written, so I instantly opened up the Bible and made sure that it said, "If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are righteous." That is how God sees every believer. They're washed in the blood of Jesus. He died once and for all. There is no sin he holds against us anymore. That's what Jesus said to the man by the well after he healed him: "Go and sin no more, unless a worse thing come upon you." That's what sin does. Jesus said, "If you were blind, you'd have no sin. You say you see, your sin remains." pffft We don't have a right to freely sin. And I don't know one believer in all my life that has ever said, "Ooh, I can freely sin, and Jesus will forgive me."
Brother, you don't know the heart. All you see is the flesh, and you judge. You tell them if they sin, to repent, make it right, and go on, like all of us. If the King of kings, Lord of lords, is not judging you or condemning you, what are you doing now? What matters is if you are following what you believe, not what others think about this subject. My salvation relies on Jesus Christ. It's in Him, not in what you think about sin or not. I do have my questions about some of these things you ask and the way you talk about them. It's not loving.
Well you don't know anything about the lives of others, and you have sinned after having gotten born again so what was your problem?
That's false. You just committed sin making this false claim.
You should become more knowledgeable concerning God's Word
1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron
That's exactly what you should do.
Ah and there's the rub. There's a big difference between never sinning again and the claim that we are no longer held accountable by the Lord for the sins committed after having been born again. All of your future sins are not automatically forgiven.
The wages of sin is still death and you deny scripture only accepting a few passages here and there. If it were not possible for a Christian to sin, the Lord would not have put all the warnings in the New Testament telling us what happens to those that continue in sin. Here's an example from God's Word you cannot deny although I'm sure you'll try:
James 5:19,20
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
This was written to Christians and is saying is any of you Christians do err from the truth, they need to be converted back to the Lord because they have fallen away from the Lord and are once more spiritually dead which is being separated from Him. They need to be restored if they are to go to Heaven. They'll need to confess and forsake their sin in order to be in right standing with the Lord once again.
So you think if a person is not free from sin then that's God's fault for not seeing to it they are free?
Sounds like reformed trickery nonsense. It's certainly not scripture.
The Lord is able to keep us free from sin only if we continue to submit ourselves to Him. He gave man free will.
The devil has deceived many in to believing the lie that man does not have free will and man does not reap what he sows which is tricking people in to mocking God all while claiming to be Christians.
And yet, you're going to sin a few more times before you die.
You reject the whole counsel of God which warns Christians to not sin meaning Christians could sin
It's laughable that you claim to never have committed one sin after getting born again. Comedy time!
Yes and those claiming it's not possible to sin after getting born again and that they have never fallen short of God's absolute perfection after having been born again are liars - which is sinful behavior.
Then your teaching...it is NOT of God because you have fallen short of God's absolute perfection after having been born again.
Yeah so when people claiming to be Christians are openly living in sin (things God says in His Word are sin), other Christians are not supposed to call them out?
1 Timothy 5:20 - Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
1 Corinthians 5:11-13
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Let's not cherry pick and instead let's believe all the Lord says on topics such as this
So we can all go back to living in sin then and it's all good, right?
That's what many believe these days because they don't accept all the Lord teaches in His Word.
And yet all the big time preachers claim it's not possible for a Christian to lose their salvation which gives their followers the green light to go ahead and live in sin. Of course in their minds they think it's all good as long as they are doing the really bad sins like murder or rape. Most of these preachers are teaching all future sins are already forgiven which gives their followers the green light to go ahead and live in sin.
1 Timothy 4:1 - in the latter times, some will depart from the faith by giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons.
Yeah they said that about some of the things Jesus and His Apostles said too.
Why not pay attention to the scripture references instead and not worry about the delivery boy?
Unscriptural teaching coming from reformed people who in turn engage in deception claiming they don't believe their own false doctrine when they get called out on it and are told about scripture references they choose to not believe because they do not accept the whole counsel of the Lord.
They are instead taught to follow men and accept what they though the Lord said which is how the enemy spreads false doctrine. Following men rather than following the Lord is a recipe for deception.