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BenFTW

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You want him to be trustworthy, because your entire salvation is not based upon Christ, but rather Paul!!
If you understood Paul and were not blinded by self-righteousness, you might understand that my entire salvation is based on Christ (precisely what the apostle Paul taught). If you know the Gospel then you know your salvation can be summed up shortly. Five words.

Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
 

theanointedwinner

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Romans 9:1 - I speak the truth in Christ--I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit

words from Apostle Paul
 

marinerscatch

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#44
The real question is simple:

Do we reject Christ for what Paul taught?
Do we reject what Paul taught knowing the Disciples and the Council led by Jesus' brother James did not follow Paul?

I choose God over Paul any moment all day long!!
 

BenFTW

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The tone of your question is inquisitoriaql at best.

Would you have me reject the teaching directly from God in favor of Paul only?

I read Paul's letters almost daily, but when I want solid answeres I rely only on Jesus because Paul can confuse a glass of water…...tell me how you understand all of his letters because they contradict each other over and over, thus I go to the Rock.
What confuses you? Maybe I can help, if God so grants it. If my tone offends you, consider the offense of rejecting His word, the truth. Just because you do not understand does not make it a lie. You need to pray for understanding, wisdom, and for the Lord to lead you in all truth.
 

marinerscatch

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This is what I find to be heretical:

Jesus commanded to work out our salvation with fear and trembling and to (sin no more).

Now, this is how Paul has been interpreted : we are in Grace so we can sin and we are good as gold to enter heaven.

My question then:
Where did Jesus say we could sin and still be able to enter into heaven?
Jesus is God, Paul is not!
 

theanointedwinner

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Do we reject Christ for what Paul taught?
this question is a loaded question, which makes the assumption (which could be false) that Christ and Paul are against each other

asking a loaded question is like asking: did you stop being saved?

did you stop being saved?
if yes, you were saved before
if no, you are still saved

which the question automatically assumes that you are saved, and I bet that everyone would love to be asked the question "did you stop being saved?"
 

BenFTW

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The real question is simple:

Do we reject Christ for what Paul taught?
Do we reject what Paul taught knowing the Disciples and the Council led by Jesus' brother James did not follow Paul?

I choose God over Paul any moment all day long!!
Paul preached Christ! LOL He preached no other! The Way, the Truth, and the Life!
 

marinerscatch

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#51
Paul preached Grace, Christ DID NOT!!

So, why are you claiming to be in Grace when Jesus never taught such a thing?
 

BenFTW

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This is what I find to be heretical:

Jesus commanded to work out our salvation with fear and trembling and to (sin no more).

Now, this is how Paul has been interpreted : we are in Grace so we can sin and we are good as gold to enter heaven.

My question then:
Where did Jesus say we could sin and still be able to enter into heaven?
Jesus is God, Paul is not!
This is what Paul says on sin. In fact, this is what God has to say on sin in the believers life, because it is scripture.


Romans 6:1-14 King James Version (KJV)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
 

JaumeJ

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#53
What confuses you? Maybe I can help, if God so grants it. If my tone offends you, consider the offense of rejecting His word, the truth. Just because you do not understand does not make it a lie. You need to pray for understanding, wisdom, and for the Lord to lead you in all truth.
You assume much. My reference to confusion is of those who quote Paul as their authority.

How can I be confused when I learn from Jesus Christ fulfilling the prophesy thatt I would be taught of Göd? I hear confusion, but I do not experience it.
 

BenFTW

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Paul preached Grace, Christ DID NOT!!

So, why are you claiming to be in Grace when Jesus never taught such a thing?
Hahahahaha! Jesus never taught grace? He LIVED IT. He embodied it. He revealed it in going to the cross and dying for you. You didn't deserve it, but He did it for you. Thats grace! You deserved death, but He has given you life!
 

marinerscatch

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Hahahahaha! Jesus never taught grace? He LIVED IT. He embodied it. He revealed it in going to the cross and dying for you. You didn't deserve it, but He did it for you. Thats grace! You deserved death, but He has given you life!


Wow, God had mercy when He went to the cross!!

You clearly do not know the difference at all.
How sad!!
 

BenFTW

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Wow, God had mercy when He went to the cross!!

You clearly do not know the difference at all.
How sad!!
Mercy is not getting what you deserved. Grace is getting what you don't deserve. You have not earned eternal life, it was given to you as a "free gift", yet it was costly for Christ, the Son of God, had to endure the cross for the joy set before Him. It is, indeed, a message of grace. Our very salvation, by grace through faith.
 

JaumeJ

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Wow, God had mercy when He went to the cross!!

You clearly do not know the difference at all.
How sad!!

It means praise the Lord by the intent of many but it is actually translated Praise Yah (Yahweh), so remember every time you say it you are speakingin the language of Jesus Christ. This info and a can of beans will not get you far, but it is intriguing for me……..
 

JaumeJ

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Mercy is not getting what you deserved. Grace is getting what you don't deserve. You have not earned eternal life, it was given to you as a "free gift", yet it was costly for Christ, the Son of God, had to endure the cross for the joy set before Him. It is, indeed, a message of grace. Our very salvation, by grace through faith.
You are raining on wet soil...it has already been prepared.