that's only one way to count.
Levi doesn't inherit land -he's excluded whenever talking about inheritance, but included when talking about sonship.
but Joseph is a son, never called a tribe in the OT - instead his two sons are
yet Revelation 7 calls Joseph a tribe - excluding Dan and Ephraim and including Levi & Manasseh ((one of Joseph's sons, so Joseph is doubly-counted there)) -- Revelation 7's lists is astounding! why these names, why this order??
of tribes/sons of Israel, in the OT there are 14 total names of which 12 are chosen whenever they are listed in scripture.
scripture never gives them in the same order.
and we have 14 in the NT called apostles, and they are called 12.
is it not an antetype of the type of the tribes in the OT?
yeah brother what I’m saying is pretty simple jacobs blessing names 12 tribes in the ot genesis 49 jacobs 12 sons
dan is removed from the list in the New Testament because he is foretold to be so
judas also like Dan in jacobs blessing is foretold to be removed
Look at this part just to see one aspect of my point
“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and
one of you is a devil?”( Judas)
John 6:70 KJV
“
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, An adder in the path, That biteth the horse heels,
So that his rider shall fall backward.”
Genesis 49:17 KJV
my point is like Dan was foretold to be removed from the twelve tribes labeled a serpent , Judas is foretold to be lost and is described as a devil and his betrayer both of those two are removed is what I’m saying and that’s only one aspect of what I’m saying
Of the original names
“
Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, The excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:
Simeon and
Levi are brethren; Instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.
Judah,
thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: Thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; Thy father's children shall bow down before thee. Judah is a lion's whelp: From the prey, my son, thou art gone up: He stooped down, he couched as a lion, And as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh come; And unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; And he shall be for an haven of ships; And his border shall be unto Zidon.
Issachar is a strong ass Couching down between two burdens:
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, An adder in the path, That biteth the horse heels, So that his rider shall fall backward.
Gad, a troop shall overcome him: But he shall overcome at the last.
Out of
Asher his bread shall be fat, And he shall yield royal dainties.
Naphtali is a hind let loose: He giveth goodly words.
Joseph is a fruitful bough, Even a fruitful bough by a well; Whose branches run over the wall:
Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: In the morning he shall devour the prey, And at night he shall divide the spoil. All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.”
Genesis 49:3, 5, 8-10, 13-14, 17, 19-22, 27-28 KJV
Reuben Simeon Levi Judah Zebulun Issachar Dan. Gad Asher Naphtali Joseph Benjamin
“Of the tribe of
Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of
Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of
Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of
Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of
Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of
Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of
Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of
Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of
Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of
Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of
Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of
Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.”
Revelation 7:5-8 KJV
The only difference in the first list and last list is Dan is on the first and mannesah is on the last in his place only one is different is my point on that all that
the twelve names won’t be the original list Dan was written off in the blessing as Judah was written off as list and Jesus betrayer
mannasah is added to the list of twelve tribes Paul is the twelth name apostle of the lamb replacing Judas
“and had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates
twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are
the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them
the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
Revelation 21:12, 14 KJV
It’s possible brother you don’t see the pattern , I do though I see the old testsment faithful saved through the testament given to the twelve tribes in the ot and the rest of the world being saved through the gospel and th e testimony of the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ as well as the witness of his disciples like Luke , James his brother ( not the apostle who was killed by Herod ) and l
Of those mentioned in e New Testament church as evangelists ministers and preachers of the gospel there were many roles they werent all apostles some were teachers like Priscilla and Aquila and barnabus and Luke
Some were pastors and leaders like Timothy and mark and some were apostles like Peter
“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.”
1 Peter 1:1-2 KJV
“Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:”
2 Peter 1:1 KJV
and Paul
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;”
Romans 1:1-3 KJV
“
Paul, an apostle, (
not of men, neither by man, but
by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
and
all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:”
Galatians 1:1-2 KJV
That of course doesn’t mean they are all apostles but we’re all brothers in the church apostles teachers preachers evangelists Baptist’s healers ect all the gifts in the body are part of one family brothers in Christ children of God
But some we’re apostles and upon them the church is built my own opinion ( that’s all I have and claim ) is that here are twelve apostles who established the New Testament which we still have today and that’s what this is about here
“how shall we escape, if we neglect so great
salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, ( Jesus )
and was
confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”( the apostles and early church )
Hebrews 2:3-4 KJV
if you think about it brother after John died the scripture ends many people wonder why but I’d say it’s the design of God that he would speak through the apostles and send their witness of him into all the world until the end whoever believes would be saved whoever rejected it would Be damned I think it’s this way because the message can never change now what’s there is authentic and complete and true and no one can add to or take from it too many people know and have it in thier own homes and hearts
Amy own opinion about apostles is they are the foundation built upon Christ himself and we are the church sort of this dynamic the apostles an important foundational point
“Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are
built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
Ephesians 2:19-22
I think the apostles were meant to establish the witness in the pages of Bibles New Testament in the world
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