Are Roman Catholics Christians
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Can you prove that the writers existed historically? Did you know they have no actual evidence for the names tied to the synoptic gospels?
They are anonymous, yet we've put names to them and most if not all probably didn't actually meet Jesus.
How do you know that all of these texts weren't purposely produced with an agenda in mind?
If they historically contradict each other in several accounts, all of the potential historicity is pulverized at the realization that the accounts don't say the same things and in some instances directly contradict each other. How do you expect me to blindly believe?
They are anonymous, yet we've put names to them and most if not all probably didn't actually meet Jesus.
How do you know that all of these texts weren't purposely produced with an agenda in mind?
If they historically contradict each other in several accounts, all of the potential historicity is pulverized at the realization that the accounts don't say the same things and in some instances directly contradict each other. How do you expect me to blindly believe?
The four gospels are first hand witness accounts recorded for our benefit. Of course there are differences in the accounts. Each person would see and respond a little different to the same situation. If the gospels were word for word identical we would suspect foul play. the fact that each tells essentially the same story of Jesus and the gospel confirms that the Holy Spirit was the guiding hand in the recording of the events of Jesus life and ministry on this earth.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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In the first paragraph it proves my point; "existing "COPIES" of the original manuscripts."
No one has access to the originals because they don't exactly know where it came from, that's convenient I might add.
I've heard the argument that the "original" text was preserved through the propagation of copies, preventing the originals from evil modification but the ones that present this argument are uneducated on the fact that the "copies" vary, and they vary a lot.
You are presenting a biased website trying to prove the bible with the bible.
What I presented in my previous posts can be validated as historical fact.
No one has access to the originals because they don't exactly know where it came from, that's convenient I might add.
I've heard the argument that the "original" text was preserved through the propagation of copies, preventing the originals from evil modification but the ones that present this argument are uneducated on the fact that the "copies" vary, and they vary a lot.
You are presenting a biased website trying to prove the bible with the bible.
What I presented in my previous posts can be validated as historical fact.
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Did you know that Mark was the original "Gospel"? (many early churches only had Mark as a gospel) Mark was used as the main source by "Luke" and "Matthew" and in many instances the text is verbatim across the three. Funny thing is that this makes it very obvious when the author or Luke or Matthew wanted to add or modify the message based on their own agenda or belief. Talk about foul play...
All I am trying to do is advice you all to look into it for yourself. I am not making this up. I have no need to make it up. I just want the truth.
All I am trying to do is advice you all to look into it for yourself. I am not making this up. I have no need to make it up. I just want the truth.
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The thing is that there are significant differences. The common man won't notice them since they only approach the bible in a devotional way. Plus we only know the mainstream information, there is more to it.
A good book to get some good solid info on this would be Jesus Interrupted by Bart Ehrman.
Check it out.
A good book to get some good solid info on this would be Jesus Interrupted by Bart Ehrman.
Check it out.
What do you mean by significant different?
Say Matthew fragments that found say in Jerusalem say Jesus heal the blind, Matthew fragments that found in thesalonians say Jesus never heal the blind. ?
If the different is only one or two word, to me it is normal, human error,
If we copy a thousand page, as a human we make some error.
Say Matthew fragments that found say in Jerusalem say Jesus heal the blind, Matthew fragments that found in thesalonians say Jesus never heal the blind. ?
If the different is only one or two word, to me it is normal, human error,
If we copy a thousand page, as a human we make some error.
This is link about the accuracy of manuscript news Testament copies
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
I find it hard that "Born Again" groups are the real christian groups because it only milk its members' money by their money hungry pastor.
Imagine religions that don't believe in apostolic succession suddenly became God's true Church.
I might believe that the Coptic or Orthodox Church could be the real God's Church who believe in apostolic succession than these newly founded religious scams.
Imagine religions that don't believe in apostolic succession suddenly became God's true Church.
I might believe that the Coptic or Orthodox Church could be the real God's Church who believe in apostolic succession than these newly founded religious scams.
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