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Deade

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Did you know Jesus died on Passover? (According to Mark)

Did you know Passover was set to commemorate the final plague that eventually led to the release of the enslaved Jews in Egypt?

How interesting that the same "saving" act of both moses bringing forth the final plague and Jesus dying end up being tied together?

Sounds like a literary work with symbolism and drama to me.....
You sound like an atheist. There is a very good reason these dates coincide. God knows what He is doing.

Not to mention that both mark and john disagree on the time and day that Jesus died....

Mark says he died on the day of preparation for Passover, the day the lambs were taken to the priests to be slain...

Yet another interesting literary performance....

So which is it?
The scripture in Mark, they are just referencing the first day of the feast. There is no way the feast day was already there. Jews had a tendency to call the whole week Passover. The Lambs were slain on the preparation day before the high day (first day of unleavened).

Christ was crucified on preparation day according to John 19:14, which was on a Wednesday. Get off your RCC timetable and learn the truth.
 
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Deade, be careful with atheist who are very well-versed with atheist apologetics
 

Deade

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I find it hard that "Born Again" groups are the real christian groups because it only milk its members' money by their money hungry pastor.

Imagine religions that don't believe in apostolic succession suddenly became God's true Church.

I might believe that the Coptic or Orthodox Church could be the real God's Church who believe in apostolic succession than these newly founded religious scams.
Of course, you are giving us the Catholic Church's version of what you think. All the while this whole thread is asking if your kind is even Christian.

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Jackson123

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We only preach because Jesus commanded us to preach to all creatures, we have no way of knowing who the elect are
So God already to decide who will be elect without reason, and He ask you to preach to every body.

I think it is not effective way of working.

He invited every body, and secretly he make some not take invitation, I don't believe honest God doing that
 

Jackson123

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I find it hard that "Born Again" groups are the real christian groups because it only milk its members' money by their money hungry pastor.

Imagine religions that don't believe in apostolic succession suddenly became God's true Church.

I might believe that the Coptic or Orthodox Church could be the real God's Church who believe in apostolic succession than these newly founded religious scams.
I am not defend unhonest pastor, but I don't believe catholic is Christian because her doctrine is not base on the Bible, let me repeat the example

Doctrine that say Abraham worship the same God with Islam.

This is pure lie, Islam worship god of the Quran that teach Jesus is not God. God in the Bible teach Jesus is God.

So catholic not Christian because her teaching is not Christian teaching.
 

Danny1988

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So God already to decide who will be elect without reason, and He ask you to preach to every body.

I think it is not effective way of working.

He invited every body, and secretly he make some not take invitation, I don't believe honest God doing that
We obviously don't believe in the same God
 

Jackson123

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No, that's a different God. The One in the Bible said that he hates some people, if you read the Bible you would agree
God in the Bible hate for reason, the reason is if some people sin and not accept Jesus as savior.

God in the Bible teach love your enemy,

He love the world, He invite whosoever believe in Him will be save

Whosoever to me mean every body.

Bible say God is love. When He die on the cross He say forgive them because they don't know what they do, how you say God hate?
 

Danny1988

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God in the Bible hate for reason, the reason is if some people sin and not accept Jesus as savior.

God in the Bible teach love your enemy,

He love the world, He invite whosoever believe in Him will be save

Whosoever to me mean every body.

Bible say God is love. When He die on the cross He say forgive them because they don't know what they do, how you say God hate?
God only loves those who believe, He hates sin and those who do evil.

Yes we must love our enemy but hate their sins.

The "whosoever" means His elect, it doesn't mean everybody. You say it does the Bible does not say everybody

God is not only love, He has many attributes. You can read about Him in the Bible, you will find He also hates many many people so much that He is going to cast them into hell fire to be tormented forever.
The Bible says, God is angry with the wicked everyday. It says that He hates entire groups of people, read in revelation when He speaks about the deeds of the Nicoleadins and don't forget how many hundreds of thousands He killed out of His wrath in the old testament.
It's still the same God, don't make the fatal mistake saying God only loves, He also hates and punishes horrifically
 

Jackson123

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God only loves those who believe, He hates sin and those who do evil.

Yes we must love our enemy but hate their sins.

The "whosoever" means His elect, it doesn't mean everybody. You say it does the Bible does not say everybody

God is not only love, He has many attributes. You can read about Him in the Bible, you will find He also hates many many people so much that He is going to cast them into hell fire to be tormented forever.
The Bible says, God is angry with the wicked everyday. It says that He hates entire groups of people, read in revelation when He speaks about the deeds of the Nicoleadins and don't forget how many hundreds of thousands He killed out of His wrath in the old testament.
It's still the same God, don't make the fatal mistake saying God only loves, He also hates and punishes horrifically
God angry with the wicked and invite them to repent and accept Jesus.

Whosoever come to my house, I will give a million dollar.

Is there any requirement other than come?
 

Danny1988

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God angry with the wicked and invite them to repent and accept Jesus.

Whosoever come to my house, I will give a million dollar.

Is there any requirement other than come?
God only called His elect to come, the rest are sealed for eternal destruction.

Have you read about the book of life, which God wrote before He created the world. It has the names of all of those who He is going to save. Or do you do the same thing as most professing Christians and ignore that because it doesn't suit your political view of how God should behave
 

Jackson123

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God only called His elect to come, the rest are sealed for eternal destruction.

Have you read about the book of life, which God wrote before He created the world. It has the names of all of those who He is going to save. Or do you do the same thing as most professing Christians and ignore that because it doesn't suit your political view of how God should behave
The Bible say whosoever, not only certain people, and I believe the Bible, I don't know about you.

Matt 9

13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

He call the sinner mean He love sinner but hate sin, that is why He call the sinner to repent.

Book of life is list of the name of the people who repent and accept Jesus. Whosoever repent, and accept Jesus will be in the book of life.
 

Jackson123

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Hi Dany 1988
God teach to love your neighbor, He teach to love not hate, do you think he not practice what He teach?

God teach to love and He practice what He teach. But He hate sin, not sinners He love sinner and ask them to repent, He provide forgiveness because He love.
 

Danny1988

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Hi Dany 1988
God teach to love your neighbor, He teach to love not hate, do you think he not practice what He teach?

God teach to love and He practice what He teach. But He hate sin, not sinners He love sinner and ask them to repent, He provide forgiveness because He love.
I can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says that God loves sinners. Jesus didn't die for all sinners, only those which the Father gave Him (the elect). How can a Holy God love a sinner, when we know that He hates them so much that He casts them to burn in hell forever. You can't cast someone who you love into hell to burn forever. The Devil wants everyone to think that God loves sinners, but it's a big lie
 

Jackson123

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I can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says that God loves sinners. Jesus didn't die for all sinners, only those which the Father gave Him (the elect). How can a Holy God love a sinner, when we know that He hates them so much that He casts them to burn in hell forever. You can't cast someone who you love into hell to burn forever. The Devil wants everyone to think that God loves sinners, but it's a big lie

Matthew 9:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I can't find in the Bible that say God hate without reason
 

Danny1988

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Matthew 9:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I can't find in the Bible that say God hate without reason
Christ said "I have not come to call the righteous" because He knows there are no righteous, no not one. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
So everyone is a sinner, thank you for agreeing with me. You can't argue with what Jesus said
 

Jackson123

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Christ said "I have not come to call the righteous" because He knows there are no righteous, no not one. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
So everyone is a sinner, thank you for agreeing with me. You can't argue with what Jesus said
And He say : I come for sinner

You say every one if sinner don't you?

It mean Jesus come to every one.
 

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Christ said "I have not come to call the righteous" because He knows there are no righteous, no not one. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
So everyone is a sinner, thank you for agreeing with me. You can't argue with what Jesus said
The spiritual gifts bestowed by the holy spirit usually come after salvation like on penticost. the believers were already saved but had not yet received the gifts of the holy spirit, not everybody does and even among those that do, not everyone receives the same gifts or the same measure. i think interpretation of scripture may be one not mentioned. to the unsaved the bible reads like a collection of myths, fairy tales, lies, history and garbage. to the saved it is a light house, a compass, a radio and a map to safety and salvation.
 

Danny1988

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And He say : I come for sinner

You say every one if sinner don't you?

It mean Jesus come to every one.
You say Jesus failed, I say Jesus is a winner. If Jesus came to save everyone, then He is a big failure. I believe He saved everyone He came to save so He is a success, I don't believe in your weak failed Jesus. My Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and almighty God, who can do anything, He is not limited by your expectations