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The dead being a sleep is a figure of speech. The dead not knowing anything is referring to the flesh. When you go to a funeral and look at the body in the casket, it looks a sleep, the flesh you are looking at doesnt know anything, it doesnt feel anything....but the spirit that occupied that flesh has gone to be with the father and is alive and well.
That's right. They are actually dead. But for believers, sleep works well as a metaphor for death because there is a day coming when they will be resurrected.
No. Dead people are dead. The only one so far raised from death to eternal life is Jesus Christ.
John 3:13) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
When Christ returns for the church, dead Christians will be raised(1 Thes 4). At the resurrection of the just, all OT believers and those believers who will die during the trib will be raised(Rev 20:4). Everyone else will be raised at the resurrection of the unjust (Rev 20:5).
No. Dead people are dead. The only one so far raised from death to eternal life is Jesus Christ.
John 3:13) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
When Christ returns for the church, dead Christians will be raised(1 Thes 4). At the resurrection of the just, all OT believers and those believers who will die during the trib will be raised(Rev 20:4). Everyone else will be raised at the resurrection of the unjust (Rev 20:5).
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Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
So, what happened to the saints from the above verses? Did they die again? Return back to their dead state?
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
I'll go with what scripture says
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
So, what happened to the saints from the above verses? Did they die again? Return back to their dead state?
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
I'll go with what scripture says
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If you wanna know where they went.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Where did Jesus ascend to? Thats where they are as well.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Where did Jesus ascend to? Thats where they are as well.
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He descended into hades....why? To set the the captives free.
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to PROCLAIM liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Preached
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κηρύσσω
kērussō
kay-roos'-so
Of uncertain affinity; to herald (as a public crier), especially divine truth (the gospel): - preach (-er), PROCLAIM, publish.
Why were they captive?
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to PROCLAIM liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Preached
G2784
κηρύσσω
kērussō
kay-roos'-so
Of uncertain affinity; to herald (as a public crier), especially divine truth (the gospel): - preach (-er), PROCLAIM, publish.
Why were they captive?
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
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The spirit that returns to God is the breath of life
Genesis 2:7
(7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
(7) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 is the opposite to Genesis 2:7
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LawofLove
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The parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is then given to show that destiny is decided in this present life by the use made of its privileges and opportunities
Your interpretation of the historical factual story of the Rich Man and Lazaras is all wrong, because the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus was not a parable at all. It was just what I stated above...a historical factual event. How do I know it wasn't a parable?..Because parables are ficticious stories that are told to make a moral point. This is why you never use names in a parable. You describe individuals as a "certain man" or a "certain King" etc. If you use names at all in a ficticious story it then becomes a "FABLE" or a "Tall Tail." JESUS DIDN'T TELL "FABLES" OR "TALL TALES." If you happen to use actual historical figures in a ficticious story and quote them...then thats simply called "LIEING."
The reason the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man was not a parable was because Jesus used actual historical figures in the story and quoted them. If Abraham did not say what Jesus said that he said when addressing Lazarus, then Jesus lied plain and simple. You can't have it both ways here...if you believe this story is a parable then you have to believe that Jesus lied when he quoted Abraham. EITHER ABRAHAM ACTUALLY SAID WHAT JESUS SAID THAT HE SAID, OR HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY SAY IT. So which is it?
The only person who is nameless in the story is the "Rich Man." He remained nameless because there were individuals there who would have recognized his name if Jesus had given it and this would have fullfilled his denied request to Abraham of warning his brothers of coming to such a place. Lazarus was named because who would ever remember the name of a poor begger?
Jesus told this story for a couple of reasons..To warn us of this place where the Rich Man still resides awaiting the Great White Throne Judgement, and to let us know that the dead has expression, thoughts, memories, and feelings.
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The parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is then given to show that destiny is decided in this present life by the use made of its privileges and opportunities
Your interpretation of the historical factual story of the Rich Man and Lazaras is all wrong, because the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus was not a parable at all. It was just what I stated above...a historical factual event. How do I know it wasn't a parable?..Because parables are ficticious stories that are told to make a moral point. This is why you never use names in a parable. You describe individuals as a "certain man" or a "certain King" etc. If you use names at all in a ficticious story it then becomes a "FABLE" or a "Tall Tail." JESUS DIDN'T TELL "FABLES" OR "TALL TALES." If you happen to use actual historical figures in a ficticious story and quote them...then thats simply called "LIEING."
The reason the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man was not a parable was because Jesus used actual historical figures in the story and quoted them. If Abraham did not say what Jesus said that he said when addressing Lazarus, then Jesus lied plain and simple. You can't have it both ways here...if you believe this story is a parable then you have to believe that Jesus lied when he quoted Abraham. EITHER ABRAHAM ACTUALLY SAID WHAT JESUS SAID THAT HE SAID, OR HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY SAY IT. So which is it?
The only person who is nameless in the story is the "Rich Man." He remained nameless because there were individuals there who would have recognized his name if Jesus had given it and this would have fullfilled his denied request to Abraham of warning his brothers of coming to such a place. Lazarus was named because who would ever remember the name of a poor begger?
Jesus told this story for a couple of reasons..To warn us of this place where the Rich Man still resides awaiting the Great White Throne Judgement, and to let us know that the dead has expression, thoughts, memories, and feelings.
No, the comma was put in the wrong place by the translators. The bible plainly teaches that dead people are dead. They will be raised in the future at one of the upcoming resurrections. That's the definition of resurrection, being raised from the dead.
People do not live on after they die. Death is not the death of our bodies only, it is death. The end. (until the resurrections).
People do not live on after they die. Death is not the death of our bodies only, it is death. The end. (until the resurrections).
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SHROOM2
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No, Jesus told the parable to make the point that even if someone were raised from the dead, people would still not believe. See verses 30, 31
First of all as I pointed out it's not a parable. Yes this information does reveal that if someone were raised form the dead people still wouldn't believe, but considering that this is the first detailed glimpse into what actually happens to the dead, I think that point out weighs your opinion.
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No, Jesus told the parable to make the point that even if someone were raised from the dead, people would still not believe. See verses 30, 31
First of all as I pointed out it's not a parable. Yes this information does reveal that if someone were raised form the dead people still wouldn't believe, but considering that this is the first detailed glimpse into what actually happens to the dead, I think that point out weighs your opinion.
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SHROOM2
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No, the comma was put in the wrong place by the translators. The bible plainly teaches that dead people are dead. They will be raised in the future at one of the upcoming resurrections. That's the definition of resurrection, being raised from the dead.
Well if that's true (and its certainly not)... answer this question:
Did Abraham actually say the things that Jesus said he said to Lazarus, and if you included every word spoken by abraham in the Bible, would you include these words that Jesus said Abraham said Lazarus?
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No, the comma was put in the wrong place by the translators. The bible plainly teaches that dead people are dead. They will be raised in the future at one of the upcoming resurrections. That's the definition of resurrection, being raised from the dead.
Well if that's true (and its certainly not)... answer this question:
Did Abraham actually say the things that Jesus said he said to Lazarus, and if you included every word spoken by abraham in the Bible, would you include these words that Jesus said Abraham said Lazarus?