Are Women Not Allowed to Preach in Every Case?

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vashweb2

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I think we need to circumvent what preaching is first. If what we mean by preaching is an every week Sunday service message in a church, then that is understandably not permissible by the bible.

I believe woman can preach depending on the circumstance. If only what we mean by preach is giving the message of the gospel to a group which may or may not include men. If a woman from the Medieval era is about to be killed by hanging by a bunch of pagans, I believe before she dies, she has the right to give the people (men, women, and children) killing her the message of Christ and therefore preach the gospel. This audience could be, in fact, a group of brainwashed Christians (Catholics killing Protestants, or Protestants killing Catholics). These are just extreme examples but nevertheless possible and justifiable.
 

Dino246

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Hoo boy, here we go again. There are many threads on this topic already, replete with vigorous disagreement. It's definitely in the top five for division between Christians.

The word "circumvent" is related to "prevent" and basically means "avoid by finding a way around". I think you mean "define".

I would strongly encourage you to look into the context of the verses in question, rather than taking an English translation and assuming the matter is simple. It isn't, no matter on which side of the debate you end up.

If a "special case" makes a practice acceptable, then it's acceptable at other times, or the "restriction" has been misunderstood.
 

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Hoo boy, here we go again. There are many threads on this topic already, replete with vigorous disagreement. It's definitely in the top five for division between Christians.

The word "circumvent" is related to "prevent" and basically means "avoid by finding a way around". I think you mean "define".

I would strongly encourage you to look into the context of the verses in question, rather than taking an English translation and assuming the matter is simple. It isn't, no matter on which side of the debate you end up.

If a "special case" makes a practice acceptable, then it's acceptable at other times, or the "restriction" has been misunderstood.
We were about due for the typical women can't preach thread. The last one was what, a week ago or thereabouts?
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bojack

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I think women think like women .. A woman can give as good a message as any other born again Christian .. My wife and I I sat under an elderly widowed Sunday school teacher once and she was great .. I think the women should generally teach the women .. I don't think women should be a preacher with authority any more than an unmarried man should .. I think women should ask their own husbands to keep order .. If my wife asked other men instead of listening to me I might tell her to ''get out, go let them keep her up then'' ..
 

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We were about due for the typical women can't preach thread. The last one was what, a week ago or thereabouts?
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I think it would be a great help if people committed to search for the new topic they want to post in BDF. That way they avoid the, "done to death", thread repeat, like this one.
It isn't like we're at a loss for high drama and highly emotionally charged topics.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I suppose the women Prophets, judge, or the fact that the very first people Jesus appeared to was women. Mary running and sharing the good news. Isnt that all we are called to do is share the good news?
 

vashweb2

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That's kind of why I believe it depends. I do not believe they are meant to teach men every Sunday but can preach to certain audiences based on a particular situation.
 

Whispered

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I suppose the women Prophets, judge, or the fact that the very first people Jesus appeared to was women. Mary running and sharing the good news. Isnt that all we are called to do is share the good news?
When women were in the company of Jesus, and even the Saint Apostle Paul praised women who served side by side with him in that capacity, spreading the Gospel, I think we can surmise that the argument that Jesus never intended women to do that is defeated by the facts in scripture.
It would be an odd thing for Paul to say women aren't called to spread the Gospel and then later praise women for spreading the Gospel along side him.
 

Roughsoul1991

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That's kind of why I believe it depends. I do not believe they are meant to teach men every Sunday but can preach to certain audiences based on a particular situation.
Why though? Because of one verse written from Paul speaking to a certain group of people that was extremely culturally pagan where
in ancient Greece, sacred prostitution was known in the city of Corinth where the Temple of Aphrodite (dedicated to the goddess Aphrodite. It was the main temple of Aphrodite in Corinth, and famous for its alleged temple prostitution.)
They employed a significant number of female servants, hetairai, during classical antiquity.

The Greek term hierodoulos or hierodule has sometimes been taken to mean sacred holy woman, but it is more likely to refer to a former slave freed from slavery in order to be dedicated to a god.

In the temple of Apollo at Bulla Regia, a woman was found buried with an inscription reading: "Adulteress. Prostitute. Seize (me), because I fled from Bulla Regia." It has been speculated she might be a woman forced into sacred prostitution as a punishment for adultery.

Many of the women had been involved in this and some historians believe that a shaved head was to indicate a females service to the goddess Aphrodite. Paul had to protect this early church from this type of confusion.
 

p_rehbein

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I think women think like women .. A woman can give as good a message as any other born again Christian .. My wife and I I sat under an elderly widowed Sunday school teacher once and she was great .. I think the women should generally teach the women .. I don't think women should be a preacher with authority any more than an unmarried man should .. I think women should ask their own husbands to keep order .. If my wife asked other men instead of listening to me I might tell her to ''get out, go let them keep her up then'' ..
WOW! Guess you did not approve of Christ preaching huh? Hey, wait a minute, who was Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, married to? How about Stephen?

Not gonna bother addressing your archaic thoughts about women........check with the SB's and CoC's and what they think
 

bojack

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WOW! Guess you did not approve of Christ preaching huh? Hey, wait a minute, who was Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, married to? How about Stephen?

Not gonna bother addressing your archaic thoughts about women........check with the SB's and CoC's and what they think
I'll give Jesus and Paul a pass, and the others you mentioned who are performing miracles in Jesus name .. I go by 1 Tim 3 .. Do you think I'm being out of line ?
 

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This topic isn't a question of ability or equality. It's a matter of order and design.
Preaching isn't the issue, its about authority. "for God is not a God or chaos, but of order" (1 Cor 14:33); "Therefore "all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner" (1 Cor 14:40)

I have been studying this for years...These are the best resources I have come across for anyone who is willing to "Study to show thyself approved" ...

https://document.desiringgod.org/50...ut-manhood-and-womanhood-en.pdf?ts=1471551126
http://cdn.desiringgod.org/pdf/books_bbf/books_bbf.pdf
 

Angela53510

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I preach in my church. I have studied the issue, especially using Greek, and a few proof texts don't overturn the fact that Jesus commanded his disciples, (which included women) to preach the gospel. Paul also tells the Galatians, who were being judiazed that:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28.

We won't even get into punctuation errors in English in 1 Cor. 14, a few chapters told the women to speak.

This place gets more regressive every time I come here! Sigh!
 

JaumeJ

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We all need patience, longsuffering and perseverance. May our Father instill these in us all...
 

TheIndianGirl

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The Bible makes it clear that at least married women may teach other men (Priscilla and her husband taught Apollos). There is no gray area there. Apollos was already smart to begin with, and was a great orator, but he needed help to clear up some details. This also shows that women may teach men the finer aspects of the gospel.
 

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I think we need to circumvent what preaching is first. If what we mean by preaching is an every week Sunday service message in a church, then that is understandably not permissible by the bible.

I believe woman can preach depending on the circumstance. If only what we mean by preach is giving the message of the gospel to a group which may or may not include men. If a woman from the Medieval era is about to be killed by hanging by a bunch of pagans, I believe before she dies, she has the right to give the people (men, women, and children) killing her the message of Christ and therefore preach the gospel. This audience could be, in fact, a group of brainwashed Christians (Catholics killing Protestants, or Protestants killing Catholics). These are just extreme examples but nevertheless possible and justifiable.

1 Corinthians 14:34, And 1 Timothy 2:11-The BIBLE TELLS the Man to Keep their women silent in the Churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak. The BIBLE is the WORD OF GOD, AND only the doers will be justified, not the hearers' When we step out of the BIBLE, AND do things OUR on way, it becomes sin, we haft to obey GODs WORD IF WE WANT TO BE SAVED. 00034.png
 

Nehemiah6

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I believe woman can preach depending on the circumstance.
There are already several threads on this issue. Kindly check them out. And what you personally believe does not trump Scripture.
 

bud62

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There are already several threads on this issue. Kindly check them out. And what you personally believe does not trump Scripture.
OUR believes And OUR traditions CAN cause us to be lost. We are to obey GODs WORD, NOT the things we think is right' LOOK what HAPPEN to Cain when HE thought He was doing what was right, He tried to give a sacrifice different then GOD said.
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Nehemiah6

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The Bible makes it clear that at least married women may teach other men (Priscilla and her husband taught Apollos).
Notice it was a husband and wife SITTING PRIVATELY in their home and discipling a believer. That was not a church setting.

So now you have taken this out of context in order to support your false beliefs. However if you are genuinely seriously about knowing and practicing truth, then you owe it to yourself to study this from Genesis to Revelation (allowing Scripture to be the final authority), and understand that Eve's transgression has impacted Christian women.