Are Women Not Allowed to Preach in Every Case?

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bud62

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Notice it was a husband and wife SITTING PRIVATELY in their home and discipling a believer. That was not a church setting.

So now you have taken this out of context in order to support your false beliefs. However if you are genuinely seriously about knowing and practicing truth, then you owe it to yourself to study this from Genesis to Revelation (allowing Scripture to be the final authority), and understand that Eve's transgression has impacted Christian women.
NO I DIDN"T THIS WAS NOT IN A CHURCH, GOD IS TALKING ABOUT IN THE CONGREGATION, YOU should watch how you put things
BY our thoughts WE CAN MAKE GODs WORD OF NONE EFFACT. GOD MEANS WHAT HE SAYS, if you want to try to twist it all out of shape
THAT could be bad for you when you stand before GOD. JESUS TELLS US ABOUT making HIS WORD of none effect.
GOD bless as GOD sees fit FOR YOU ALL.
 

JaumeJ

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Notice it was a husband and wife SITTING PRIVATELY in their home and discipling a believer. That was not a church setting.

So now you have taken this out of context in order to support your false beliefs. However if you are genuinely seriously about knowing and practicing truth, then you owe it to yourself to study this from Genesis to Revelation (allowing Scripture to be the final authority), and understand that Eve's transgression has impacted Christian women.
Where two or more are gathered in y Name….. Paul taught it was "his" inclination not to allow women to teach or preach…………. What shall we go back to the Levitical laws now that Christ, Yeshua has made them obsolet?

When the Holy Spirit is present in the preaching there can be no denying anyone this work to do.
 

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Notice it was a husband and wife SITTING PRIVATELY in their home and discipling a believer. That was not a church setting.

So now you have taken this out of context in order to support your false beliefs. However if you are genuinely seriously about knowing and practicing truth, then you owe it to yourself to study this from Genesis to Revelation (allowing Scripture to be the final authority), and understand that Eve's transgression has impacted Christian women.
If you would read to whole thing that I put on here it shows you that I have, 1 COR 14:34 IT is you that GOD says is ignorant, IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT A WOMAN CAN SPEAK IN THE CHURCHES, I HAVE TOLD YOU A TRUTH THAT GODs WORD SAYS VERY PLAINLY , AND what you do with it is between you and GOD. I'M not going to FUSS with you, IT is GODs WORD and GOD gives you the CHOICE TO TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT THATS your CHOICE.
GOD bless as GOD sees fit for you all.
 

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Where two or more are gathered in y Name….. Paul taught it was "his" inclination not to allow women to teach or preach…………. What shall we go back to the Levitical laws now that Christ, Yeshua has made them obsolet?

When the Holy Spirit is present in the preaching there can be no denying anyone this work to do.

WHEN it says that it is not permitted for the woman to speak IS by COMMANDMENT, AND not by HIS choice, IF you read it a little closer you can see that Paul wouldn't let them teach or have authority, Because this WOULD BE causing them to speak in the CHURCH where HE has all ready told them that it WAS not permitted for them speak, IT's very plain.
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WHEN it says that it is not permitted for the woman to speak IS by COMMANDMENT, AND not by HIS choice, IF you read it a little closer you can see that Paul wouldn't let them teach or have authority, Because this WOULD BE causing them to speak in the CHURCH where HE has all ready told them that it WAS not permitted for them speak, IT's very plain.
GOD bless as GOD sees fit for you all.
Read some more......….. Never deny when the Holy Spirit witnesses.

Now who is under the law?
 

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Read some more......….. Never deny when the Holy Spirit witnesses.

Now who is under the law?
GOD commandments that JESUS wrote WITH HIS OWN FINGER WILL NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, BE done AWAY with, SO yes I am UNDER GODs COMMANDMENTS, AND THE BIBLE IS VERY PLAIN, IT is only the HAND writings OF MOSES that was done away with, AND EVEN then it is JUST those that go against US being GETILES NOT even ALL OF THEM WAS DONE AWAY WITH, IF you do AWAY with all of it, THEN WOMAN CAN BE WITH WOMAN AND MAN WITH MAN< AND I KNOW THIS IS VERY UNGODLY,
GOD bless as GOD sees fit for you ALL.
 

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I think we need to circumvent what preaching is first. If what we mean by preaching is an every week Sunday service message in a church, then that is understandably not permissible by the bible.

I believe woman can preach depending on the circumstance. If only what we mean by preach is giving the message of the gospel to a group which may or may not include men. If a woman from the Medieval era is about to be killed by hanging by a bunch of pagans, I believe before she dies, she has the right to give the people (men, women, and children) killing her the message of Christ and therefore preach the gospel. This audience could be, in fact, a group of brainwashed Christians (Catholics killing Protestants, or Protestants killing Catholics). These are just extreme examples but nevertheless possible and justifiable.
Good place to start .The difference between preaching and teaching.

The Bible says one is our teacher and in the same way one is our father.(as that one teacher).

When Jesus was accused of being Good Master , he refused and gave glory to the unseen father .Saying one is Good, God .

Jesus preached as the father does the teaching giving him words to hear . We are to call no man teacher or father on earth .That position is reserved for the unseen work of the Holy Spirit that abides in all believers. Woman have no more or less authority when it comes to teaching. We hold our the incorruptible born again seed. he blesses it an applies to to our hearts.

The woman being silent has another function of order. Pentecost which restored the order to Judges brought back men and woman from all nation as prophets . Prophets preach the word. The Holy Spirit who name is jealous alone teaches.

We teach how we can hear .He gives us the ears of His understanding. Neither of man or woman but new creatures.
 

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Good place to start .The difference between preaching and teaching.

The Bible says one is our teacher and in the same way one is our father.(as that one teacher).

When Jesus was accused of being Good Master , he refused and gave glory to the unseen father .Saying one is Good, God .

Jesus preached as the father does the teaching giving him words to hear . We are to call no man teacher or father on earth .That position is reserved for the unseen work of the Holy Spirit that abides in all believers. Woman have no more or less authority when it comes to teaching. We hold our the incorruptible born again seed. he blesses it an applies to to our hearts.

The woman being silent has another function of order. Pentecost which restored the order to Judges brought back men and woman from all nation as prophets . Prophets preach the word. The Holy Spirit who name is jealous alone teaches.

We teach how we can hear .He gives us the ears of His understanding. Neither of man or woman but new creatures.
THIS DOSE NOT SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT PREACHING IT SAYS SPEAKING. SILENT, WOMEN ARE NOT TO BE HEARD in the CHURCH, you can't get no plainer then it says it, SILENT IN THE CHURCHE'S GOD bless as GOD sees fit for you, PREACHING IS NOT BEING SILENT, The preaching needs to be heard, A MAN
 

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I preach in my church. I have studied the issue, especially using Greek, and a few proof texts don't overturn the fact that Jesus commanded his disciples, (which included women) to preach the gospel. Paul also tells the Galatians, who were being judiazed that:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28.

We won't even get into punctuation errors in English in 1 Cor. 14, a few chapters told the women to speak.

This place gets more regressive every time I come here! Sigh!
looking at the context of the reformation can aid as to why the new ceremonial laws were added. The head unconverted for the man and hair covered for the woman along with the breaking of bread as one ceremony as a sign to the world. Not a self edifying sign to the men themselves. Caveman. . get thee behind me woman. LOL

It was a terrible tribulation for the woman believers as well as the gentile before the reformation . Men lorded over woman's faith as well as the gentiles .

It would seem he was simply restoring the order to before there were King (Judges) no outward representation . An Gospel explosion resulted. Mankind running back and forth looking to put a face on religion.

As part of the abomination of desolation before it was restored. Men stood in the Holy place of our Father not seen in heaven . Jewish woman were separated by a high wall as well as the gentles by another wall . Only the Jewish men under the authority of Kings in Israel were allows to participate in the ceremonies as a picture to the whole world ..Not unto themselves like. Here we are open your eyes and follow us.

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
 

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THIS DOSE NOT SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT PREACHING IT SAYS SPEAKING. SILENT, WOMEN ARE NOT TO BE HEARD in the CHURCH, you can't get no plainer then it says it, SILENT IN THE CHURCHE'S GOD bless as GOD sees fit for you, PREACHING IS NOT BEING SILENT, The preaching needs to be heard, A MAN
What would that not being heard apply to? Quench the Spirit that works in them? How would that benefit.? Why be silent? What was happening that they were so exited and sharing the gospel?

Why does the the preaching needs to be heard, A MAN? God is not a man as us?
 

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When we afre in the KIngdome there is not giving and taking of wives. God sees us wiithin and when He looks upon any one of us He does not see Jew nor Greek, freeman nor bond, male or female.

When we are perfected, by Him of course, we shall all be just as He. We will not be He but just like He is. Do not say Jesus commands no woman to speak His Word, otherwise there woudl be no Miriam, not Esther, No Deborah, no holy woman whatsoever.

As for blessings we are to bless all people, but not participate int he sins of others. That, my friend, is God's will.
 

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looking at the context of the reformation can aid as to why the new ceremonial laws were added. The head unconverted for the man and hair covered for the woman along with the breaking of bread as one ceremony as a sign to the world. Not a self edifying sign to the men themselves. Caveman. . get thee behind me woman. LOL

It was a terrible tribulation for the woman believers as well as the gentile before the reformation . Men lorded over woman's faith as well as the gentiles .

It would seem he was simply restoring the order to before there were King (Judges) no outward representation . An Gospel explosion resulted. Mankind running back and forth looking to put a face on religion.

As part of the abomination of desolation before it was restored. Men stood in the Holy place of our Father not seen in heaven . Jewish woman were separated by a high wall as well as the gentles by another wall . Only the Jewish men under the authority of Kings in Israel were allows to participate in the ceremonies as a picture to the whole world ..Not unto themselves like. Here we are open your eyes and follow us.

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
YOU twist the BIBLE ALL OUT of what it really says, But twisting it only in your mind, and those that you miss lead, But to those that stand on the what the WORD of GOD says, don't need opinions, Opinions just cause the WORD OF GOD TO GET TWISTED ALL UP,
They study a lot in JESUS day to, And put JESUS On the CROSS, GOD bless as GOD sees fit
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What would that not being heard apply to? Quench the Spirit that works in them? How would that benefit.? Why be silent? What was happening that they were so exited and sharing the gospel?

Why does the the preaching needs to be heard, A MAN? God is not a man as us?
YOU are letting your own mind twist the WORD OF GOD, BY what you THINK. What we think will not stand.
GOD be with you as GOD sees fit, I believe what GODs WORD says and that settle it for me.
WE except what it says or we don't except it, You must think poorly OF Mary the mother of JESUS and of Mary Magdalenne AND all the women that loved JESUS, FOR they didn't go out and start talking in the Churches or preaching and heard in the Churches, WHY??
was it because they know, or that they JUST didn't LOVE JESUS, I think they knew where A woman's place and the mans place. The man is the GLORY OF GOD, BUT the woman is the GLORY of the man, And the LONG HAIR is the woman's GLORY, AND her covering to. I think that people have for got this. But GOD dose not change man dose,
GOD BE with you as GOD sees fit for you.
 

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What would that not being heard apply to? Quench the Spirit that works in them? How would that benefit.? Why be silent? What was happening that they were so exited and sharing the gospel?

Why does the the preaching needs to be heard, A MAN? God is not a man as us?
WE need to hear the WORD preach, for by the hearing of the WORD we become changed.
MAT 18:3 Unless we are converted. we will not enter in to HEAVEN
GOD bless as GOD sees fit
 

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WE need to hear the WORD preach, for by the hearing of the WORD we become changed.
MAT 18:3 Unless we are converted. we will not enter in to HEAVEN
GOD bless as GOD sees fit
Yes, not by male or female as if God was served corrupted human hands. . Jew or gentile. He who works in us does the teaching. and warns us of those who say we do need a man to teach us (antichrists).

Why would any believe desire to usurp the authority of our father in heaven ? Even Jesus would not stand in the holy unseen place of faith . Saying one is our Good Master our father not seen .No man can serve the things seen the temporal and the things of God not seen the eternal

Woman like man when getting excited about the lord . Do not want to lord it over the meeting. They can ask their spouse at home and share the mutual faith of Christ that works in both.

Woman represents the new creature.(Christ's bride) females as mothers are used to represent the whole church as the mother of us all a picture to the world, Her unseen husband (Christ) cleanses her (male and female) with the water of His word.

The female have a greater outer position (not person) to be beautiful to show virtue. And not like Eve who lorded it over her husband . She should of been silent and discussed it with her caveman husband in the cave.

But both working as one like the father and Son. The woman being silent in that way applies to the whole church. She is not the subject matter, only representative as shadows of the unseen .

Let the whole church be silent before her teacher.
 

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GOD commandments that JESUS wrote WITH HIS OWN FINGER WILL NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, BE done AWAY with, SO yes I am UNDER GODs COMMANDMENTS, AND THE BIBLE IS VERY PLAIN, IT is only the HAND writings OF MOSES that was done away with, AND EVEN then it is JUST those that go against US being GETILES NOT even ALL OF THEM WAS DONE AWAY WITH, IF you do AWAY with all of it, THEN WOMAN CAN BE WITH WOMAN AND MAN WITH MAN< AND I KNOW THIS IS VERY UNGODLY,
GOD bless as GOD sees fit for you ALL.
Why are you SHOUTING? Take the CAPS LOCK off please; it makes your posts difficult to read.

Also, I would suggest that you proofread your posts before clicking "Post reply", as your spelling and punctuation errors diminish your credibility.
 

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1 Corinthians 4:17

For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus...who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

And Paul wrote to Timothy the following:

1 Timothy 2:11

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I do not permit a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Remember what he said, "as I teach every where in every church."

1 Corinthians 14:34

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak...And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

The foolish notion that Paul was addressing local issues in Corinth is absurd!

Paul sent Timothy to Corinth to teach doctrines he taught in every church.

Timothy was sent to the Philippians (Philippians 2:19) and to the Thessalonians (Thessalonians 3:2) and one of the doctrines that was taught to the Philippians and Thessalonians was "Let your women keep silence...they are not permitted to teach - 1 Timothy 2:11"

Now those who decide to teach contrary to these scriptures "serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:18).
 

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1 Corinthians 4:17

For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus...who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

And Paul wrote to Timothy the following:

1 Timothy 2:11

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I do not permit a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Remember what he said, "as I teach every where in every church."

1 Corinthians 14:34

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak...And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

The foolish notion that Paul was addressing local issues in Corinth is absurd!

Paul sent Timothy to Corinth to teach doctrines he taught in every church.

Timothy was sent to the Philippians (Philippians 2:19) and to the Thessalonians (Thessalonians 3:2) and one of the doctrines that was taught to the Philippians and Thessalonians was "Let your women keep silence...they are not permitted to teach - 1 Timothy 2:11"

Now those who decide to teach contrary to these scriptures "serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:18).
While you make a good point that Paul's teaching was consistent, you have overlooked his teaching that women were permitted to pray and prophesy in 1 Cor. 11. If your position is not consistent with the whole counsel of Scripture, it is not the truth.
 

Micaiah-imla

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you have overlooked his teaching that women were permitted to pray and prophesy in 1 Cor. 11
Not so.

What is written in 1 Corinthians 11:5 is regarding conduct outside the church. This is evident based on the prohibition clearly indicated for acts in the church in chapter 14:34.
 

Dino246

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Not so.

What is written in 1 Corinthians 11:5 is regarding conduct outside the church.
There is nothing in Scripture to support your assertion. Rather, the whole letter was written to the church at Corinth.