Are Women Not Allowed to Preach in Every Case?
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In my church and other churches around me, I've noticed that women often start out as youth pastor or as associate pastor, with a senior/head pastor as male. They are also extremely active and serve as guest or temporary pastors/speakers at other churches. However, the women later step in or apply as senior pastors. So by this time, everyone is fully aware of their capabilities based on reccomendendaton, videos of them preaching, etc.
I do not know what you are get at, IT is out there and it's BIBLE, AND those that receive it receive it, AND those that don't receive don't receive it. I am not going to cut no corners to get no one to like me, If someone likes ME, I won't it to be because I stood on what GODs WORD says, And most people are dislike for doing that, no corners for me or no body else, What people do with it will be between and GOD. And I think there has been enough said for them to do that.
GOD bless as GOD sees fit
GOD bless as GOD sees fit
Now you are claiming that a couple of Christians discipling another Christian suddenly becomes a church. That is nonsensical on the face of it. "Gathered in my name" refers to Christians gathering for worship. And Paul was not going back to Levitical laws, but even if he did, that would be perfectly valid if God led him to do so under divine inspiration.
When Paul mentioned the Law in 1 Corinthians 14, he meant the Torah, and within the Torah is the book of Genesis. And within Genesis is the injunction to Eve and to all women.
Now notice that Paul was not expressing his opinion here (even though he speaks with apostolic authority he says what God says), by presenting God's truth:
1 TIMOTHY 2
WHAT GOD EXPECTS OF CHRISTIAN WOMEN
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
WOMEN FORBIDDEN TO PREACH, TEACH, OR ASSUME AUTHORITY WITHIN THE CHURCH (APPICABLE TO ALL CHURCHES)
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not [ALLOW NOT] a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. (1 Cor 14:23)
THE BIBLICAL BASIS FOR THIS INJUNCTION
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. [Note: "saved in childbearing" would mean work out her salvation as a wife and mother within the home, as well as good works outside the home (v 10), since salvation is by grace through faith]
It should be noted that even though the Catholic and Orthodox churches have many errors, they disallowed women from becoming priests based upon these Scriptures. But Paul made it crystal clear in other passages that both elders and deacons were to be men. And it is the responsibility of elders to preach, teach, and have authority and oversight within the churches.
When Paul mentioned the Law in 1 Corinthians 14, he meant the Torah, and within the Torah is the book of Genesis. And within Genesis is the injunction to Eve and to all women.
Now notice that Paul was not expressing his opinion here (even though he speaks with apostolic authority he says what God says), by presenting God's truth:
1 TIMOTHY 2
WHAT GOD EXPECTS OF CHRISTIAN WOMEN
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
WOMEN FORBIDDEN TO PREACH, TEACH, OR ASSUME AUTHORITY WITHIN THE CHURCH (APPICABLE TO ALL CHURCHES)
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not [ALLOW NOT] a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. (1 Cor 14:23)
THE BIBLICAL BASIS FOR THIS INJUNCTION
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. [Note: "saved in childbearing" would mean work out her salvation as a wife and mother within the home, as well as good works outside the home (v 10), since salvation is by grace through faith]
It should be noted that even though the Catholic and Orthodox churches have many errors, they disallowed women from becoming priests based upon these Scriptures. But Paul made it crystal clear in other passages that both elders and deacons were to be men. And it is the responsibility of elders to preach, teach, and have authority and oversight within the churches.
Hi Bud, I like you fine, you have your opinion .. Believe it or not as much as I talk on here I rarely speak at church and don't care to know the preachers that close .. I can but it's not my church , I've led a youth group or two but the preaching is up to the preacher .. I don't care to be a deacon either, I've always had my own ministry out witnessing ..
And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious. But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee (Ezekiel 2:7-8).
Some sheep need to hear the Master's voice.
He gives unto them eternal life.
Some sheep need to hear the Master's voice.
He gives unto them eternal life.
Actually, what was said was that Paul did not permit a woman to speak. It did not say that God does permit it. My perception is that Paul was offering his personal opinion of the role of women in teaching and holding positions of authority. He was speaking to a certain culture and the current traditions that existed at that time.
Obeying God's word does not save as no one is able to obey each and everyday in all situations and circumstances. The Gond News is that Jesus paid the price for our sins that we confess and the Holy Spirit will comfort and guide us in the life-long repentance process.
The bible did not tell men to keep their women silent in church but rather it was Paul saying it. Everything in the bible is accurately stated but not everything in the bible is a statement of truth. That is where wisdom and discernment come into play.
Obeying God's word does not save as no one is able to obey each and everyday in all situations and circumstances. The Gond News is that Jesus paid the price for our sins that we confess and the Holy Spirit will comfort and guide us in the life-long repentance process.
The bible did not tell men to keep their women silent in church but rather it was Paul saying it. Everything in the bible is accurately stated but not everything in the bible is a statement of truth. That is where wisdom and discernment come into play.
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Women are as entitled and called to bring the good news Jesus died to deliver to the world as is any man claiming their calling.
For all those teachings that tell you that you are one body in the Lord, you think women are excluded from being one called to preach?
All those scriptures that tell you your sons and daughters will prophecy? Because the bible doesn't know the word, preach?
And you sure can't claim Paul forbid women to preach when two women, Priscilla and Aquila did a better job of making people understand the way of God more accurately than Paul.
Here's a question for the one's who think women can't bring the good news. Because of all those scriptures that prove you wrong that you ignore.
When you think a woman would never be appointed by God to deliver his message to the world, you're playing God. Your issues with women in that post of teacher, prophet, preacher, pastor, minister, oh, but they're OK to pastor Sunday school, right? , All your issues that say women can't teach the good news Jesus said makes you all one body in him is you all taking the place of God. You all are trying to say what God would not do as pertains to calling women. When he has already told you in his word that he has, does, and did.
You might want to worry about what God will have to say to you about contradicting him because of your personal issues with women.
God calls them, and you all who say, no way, when his word already tells you he calls them? I'd like to be the fly on the wall in heaven when you all have to answer for that one. On a wall, with great eyesight and a hella long way away so that I don't get singed by that bold of lightening he's going to send right up your.....for playing him and correcting his mistake with your prejudice.
Yes! I want to be there to see THAT!
For all those teachings that tell you that you are one body in the Lord, you think women are excluded from being one called to preach?
All those scriptures that tell you your sons and daughters will prophecy? Because the bible doesn't know the word, preach?
And you sure can't claim Paul forbid women to preach when two women, Priscilla and Aquila did a better job of making people understand the way of God more accurately than Paul.
Here's a question for the one's who think women can't bring the good news. Because of all those scriptures that prove you wrong that you ignore.
When you think a woman would never be appointed by God to deliver his message to the world, you're playing God. Your issues with women in that post of teacher, prophet, preacher, pastor, minister, oh, but they're OK to pastor Sunday school, right? , All your issues that say women can't teach the good news Jesus said makes you all one body in him is you all taking the place of God. You all are trying to say what God would not do as pertains to calling women. When he has already told you in his word that he has, does, and did.
You might want to worry about what God will have to say to you about contradicting him because of your personal issues with women.
God calls them, and you all who say, no way, when his word already tells you he calls them? I'd like to be the fly on the wall in heaven when you all have to answer for that one. On a wall, with great eyesight and a hella long way away so that I don't get singed by that bold of lightening he's going to send right up your.....for playing him and correcting his mistake with your prejudice.
Yes! I want to be there to see THAT!