Are you a Christian?

[PeterJens]

you see, you do not get to re-define what words mean. perfect means 100% pure, no flaw whatsoever. that is sinless perfection. it is not a sliding scale, it is not saying " I do not sin, but sometimes make a mistake" these are man-made lies. but since you deny the Biblical definition of sin, you have no credibility in these areas anyway.

The problem with your proposition is you do not accept one can be blameless before you sin, or are defiled.
In your world there is no such thing as being cleansed. You have confused the difference between that
which is Holy and that which can never be anything but Holy.

Everything can be defiled. Nothing is holy without the possibility of sin. Jesus when he came to earth
could have sinned. This is why the temptation of Jesus was real.

Now things are not perfect because they do not fall in future. Lucifer was created perfect but fell.
To be called blameless, the bride of Christ is because it is purchased by Christs blood and washed clean.

In your mind perfect means it is no longer in existance. A clean plate is only a clean plate until it gets
dirty. How can morality have any meaning if you say in reality everyone fails and will fail forever.

This makes a mockery of God and salvation. Love is a question asked and answered over time. It is
not an arriving but a walk. This is the biblical definition of love and sin.

It is your mans definition of what perfection is, not Gods definition. If God calls me clean, washed and
acceptable that is what I am.

 

[PeterJens]

Amen...being born again is of God and it is His work only. Works-based salvationists need to do "their righteous deeds" in order to qualify for heaven. It's an anti-Christ belief.

No one qualifies for heaven, we walk in the kingdom which brings about righteous actions.
How can the people of God not walk in these things, because if they did not they would
not be the people of God.

Your continual declaration that as active sinners we are seen as clean, though our
unresolved issues are not a problem. This is a denial of Jesus and the apostles.

Your problem is resolving your failure, its causes and why faith does not work in you.
The sins you keep on confessing are either defined on man made terms or need
repenting of and confessing and seeking resolution. There is not other morality when
walking with Christ.

In truth most of the issues in dispute are behaviour issues of dress, language, addictions,
marriage failure, envy, greed, money, success.

Now some are real sin issues, but others are just cultural, and are reacted to wrongly by
people who are to sensitive to the indicators of loyalty and insult and not real problems.

But not surprisingly these people do not really understand love else they would follow
Jesus and not use such provocative language and condemnations of good people.

 

[gb9]

The problem with your proposition is you do not accept one can be blameless before you sin, or are defiled.
In your world there is no such thing as being cleansed. You have confused the difference between that
which is Holy and that which can never be anything but Holy.

Everything can be defiled. Nothing is holy without the possibility of sin. Jesus when he came to earth
could have sinned. This is why the temptation of Jesus was real.

Now things are not perfect because they do not fall in future. Lucifer was created perfect but fell.
To be called blameless, the bride of Christ is because it is purchased by Christs blood and washed clean.

In your mind perfect means it is no longer in existance. A clean plate is only a clean plate until it gets
dirty. How can morality have any meaning if you say in reality everyone fails and will fail forever.

This makes a mockery of God and salvation. Love is a question asked and answered over time. It is
not an arriving but a walk. This is the biblical definition of love and sin.

It is your mans definition of what perfection is, not Gods definition. If God calls me clean, washed and
acceptable that is what I am.

see peter, I do not need all this rabbit trail theology. it is not complicated, it is simple. the Biblical definition of sin is falling short of a standard , missing the mark, knowing to do good and not doing so. if you, me, or anyone else does this, it is sin. we are cleaned, washed, and acceptable because Christ gives us HIS righteousness, Titus 3. get it right peter. accept that when the Bible says sinners, it means you, me and everyone else on Earth. stop denying what sin is.

 

[gb9]

keep in mind people that peter denies the Biblical definition of sin, which I posted above. I will point this out as often as I can, because all need to know the base of his theology.

 

[Grace777x70]

It always comes back to Jesus and His completed work. Works-based salvationists completely miss Christ in us and HIs finished work!

The Father because of Jesus and that we are in Him has qualified us for the inheritance - not ourselves and what we do or don't do. Don' fall for this humanistic philosophy that gets you to rely on your own good works. It is anti-Christ in it's beliefs. It denies the very Lord that redeemed us with His blood.

Colossians 1:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.

 

[Wall]

Hello Johnlove,
The scripture above means exactly what it says. When we received Christ we were credited with righteousness. God imputes righteousness to the believer because of faith in Christ,

Thats right Ahwatukee. But how did you come by this faith? Read what Paul said

GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. [25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus

Before faith came to each and everyone of us, we are under the law {the 10 commandments, the schoolmaster}. So, according to this scripture you are kept under the law of the 10 commandments (the schoolmaster) until you are justified by faith in Christ. No shortcuts. Then there is no condemnation. After we have been brought to faith in Christ, do we then make void the law or are we to still be keeping Gods law?

ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.

Just because we have attained faith through the Word are we now to “do away” with Gods 10 commandments? GOD FORBID!

REV. 14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God, and THE FAITH OF JESUS.

Faith and the commandments. “Many” will say you cant mix faith and the law. Show them Rev.14

 

[Johnlove]

Well my policy is not to respond to you but really for the benefit of any lurking person but I gonna just have to amend my policy this once hopefully ... Seriously?

Jesus said you must be born again, interesting you did not copy the passage over where He talks to Nicodemus.

If they believed and were saved then they were born again.

The bible states that even those who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved, calling upon His name you are accepting Him as Saviour and are born again.

Being born again is God's work not ours.

What you don’t understand is that being saved does not mean one will enter the kingdom of heaven. There is no scripture that says that is what saved means. People have made that assumption, but it is a false assumption. Jesus told us who it is that will come with him to his kingdom in heaven.

(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

 

[Johnlove]

Hello Johnlove,

The scripture above means exactly what it says. When we received Christ we were credited with righteousness. God imputes righteousness to the believer because of faith in Christ, not because we are without sin. Through Christ the Father sees us as perfect because He met the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and paid the penalty for our sins. From the time we received Christ God began the process of sanctification, i.e. the process of being made holy, which is life-long.



The commandments of God in the verse is to believe in the One he sent and to love one another.




Regarding the above, I would have to say then that not one single person has every seen him or known him, for we all sin. He is speaking about the person who willfully sins, i.e. continues sowing to the flesh. There is a difference between the believer who is wrestling with sin to overcome it vs. the person who claims to be in Christ and who is not wrestling to overcome sin, but is willfully living according to the sinful nature. Believers are all sinners who are in the process of being perfected, which will come to its fulfillment when we are changed into the immortal and glorified bodies when the Lord appears. Until then we are covered sinners. Yet, the Father sees us as being perfect and that because He is looking at us through Christ, who is perfect.

Faith in Jesus Christ, and all one needs to do is believe Jesus is God, is that what you think believing in Jesus Christ means? Take a look at what being in Jesus Christ means.
(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”

By the way there is no such thing as imputed righteousness, I believe that was an invention of John Calvin’s.

Jesus told us who it is that will come with him to his kingdom in heaven and it is not anyone who sins.

(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What you don’t understand is that being saved does not mean one will enter the kingdom of heaven. There is no scripture that says that is what saved means. People have made that assumption, but it is a false assumption. Jesus told us who it is that will come with him to his kingdom in heaven.

(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

so then, what is being saved?

 

[Johnlove]

so then, what is being saved?

Because scripture does not specifically tell us what saved means it would just be another assumption to say what it means.

I will share what Jesus has told me about a place that is not Heaven or Hell where some people will spend eternity. It is a place of different degrees of suffering, with the worst suffering being they will never be one with God,

(Matthew 25:30) “And throw that worthless servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ NIV

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because scripture does not specifically tell us what saved means it would just be another assumption to say what it means.

I will share what Jesus has told me about a place that is not Heaven or Hell where some people will spend eternity. It is a place of different degrees of suffering, with the worst suffering being they will never be one with God,

(Matthew 25:30) “And throw that worthless servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ NIV

What does the term saved mean?

I am sorry, But I do believe the bible tells us what we are saved from.

 

[Johnlove]

What does the term saved mean?

I am sorry, But I do believe the bible tells us what we are saved from.

I believe the term saved means one will not enter Hell.
If you believe the Bible tells us precisely what being saved means then show me. There are times in scripture that it seems they are using salvation to mean going to heaven, but that again is just an assumption.

Jesus told us precisely who it is that will go to heave with him, and it sure is not just those who proclaim his name.
Also as a side note people need to know what it means when scripture says for those who are in Jesus Christ. To be in Jesus Christ one has to live as Jesus lived, and Jesus did not sin, Jesus always obeyed his Father in Heaven.

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”

 

[Demi777]

I believe the term saved means one will not enter Hell.
If you believe the Bible tells us precisely what being saved means then show me. There are times in scripture that it seems they are using salvation to mean going to heaven, but that again is just an assumption.

Jesus told us precisely who it is that will go to heave with him, and it sure is not just those who proclaim his name.
Also as a side note people need to know what it means when scripture says for those who are in Jesus Christ. To be in Jesus Christ one has to live as Jesus lived, and Jesus did not sin, Jesus always obeyed his Father in Heaven.

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”

Would you tho still tell us when the last time was that you have sinned??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe the term saved means one will not enter Hell.
If you believe the Bible tells us precisely what being saved means then show me. There are times in scripture that it seems they are using salvation to mean going to heaven, but that again is just an assumption.

Jesus told us precisely who it is that will go to heave with him, and it sure is not just those who proclaim his name.
Also as a side note people need to know what it means when scripture says for those who are in Jesus Christ. To be in Jesus Christ one has to live as Jesus lived, and Jesus did not sin, Jesus always obeyed his Father in Heaven.

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

prety self explanatory.

The greek word actually means to be rescued.. You are rescued from this world. and taken to Gods workd. Ie, you have been granted access or entrance into the kingdom of God.

Otherwise, You are not saved, or salvation basically has no meaning.

We are saved not by our works, but by Gods mercy. (titus 3: 5) by being born again (regeneration)

Not because we become sinless..

 

[Johnlove]

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

prety self explanatory.

The greek word actually means to be rescued.. You are rescued from this world. and taken to Gods workd. Ie, you have been granted access or entrance into the kingdom of God.

Otherwise, You are not saved, or salvation basically has no meaning.

We are saved not by our works, but by Gods mercy. (titus 3: 5) by being born again (regeneration)

Not because we become sinless..

Again saved?
Also no it is not by our works that one is able to keep God’s Word. The only work on our part is giving God our will, meaning that we God’s will to be done in our lives at all times, and not our will.

It is God’s work in us that makes it so we can keep his Word.

Everything done by me is God’s doing. I am only a willing servant. A slave of Jesus Christ our Lord and God.

Before Jesus came doing God’s Will was all man’s work, and man failed. Now that Jesus came and gave us his Spirit doing God’s Will is all God’s doing.

 

[Demi777]

How come Johnlove that you Ignore my dear brother Utah's and my question. When was the last time that you have sinned? I am sure it is not your intent to Ignore him which is why I just asked it again. So I surely forgive you for the clumsiness of not seeing this question he asked multiple times
​When was the last time that you have sinned?

 

[resurrection33]

That means we are not to judge someone for having green hair and a bone in their nose. We are very much responsible for judging and rebuking teachers of false doctrine that leads people away from Jesus Christ.

Jesus is simply telling us that if we judge, we will be judged.

 

[Utah]

Would you tho still tell us when the last time was that you have sinned??

No my little sister, he will not tell us because he is deceitful and only wishes to place stumbling blocks upon those of us who give thanks and praise to Jesus for our salvation.

 

[Grace777x70]

No my little sister, he will not tell us because he is deceitful and only wishes to place stumbling blocks upon those of us who give thanks and praise to Jesus for our salvation.

Offer to take him out for a beer.....

 

[Demi777]

No my little sister, he will not tell us because he is deceitful and only wishes to place stumbling blocks upon those of us who give thanks and praise to Jesus for our salvation.[/QUOTE

Well my dear brother it was worth picking on him thou. Blessed be the name of the Lord our God. I love your comments thou. I hope to hear more from you!

Offer to take him out for a beer.....

Wait till I am fully recovered then I will join hehe God bless ya