Are you a Christian?

[UnderGrace]

This is not biblical at all. In the book of Acts people simply believed that Jesus was the messiah and were saved. What you've described here is traditions of men.

Well my policy is not to respond to you but really for the benefit of any lurking person but I gonna just have to amend my policy this once hopefully ... Seriously?

Jesus said you must be born again, interesting you did not copy the passage over where He talks to Nicodemus.

If they believed and were saved then they were born again.

The bible states that even those who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved, calling upon His name you are accepting Him as Saviour and are born again.

Being born again is God's work not ours.

 

[resurrection33]

I named Johnlove a false teacher. I also name him a false prophet. I dare say I may have to name him the anti christ.
You Johnlove have been marked and may God have mercy on your soul for bringing in such foul dark satanic doctrine. I rebuke you satan in the name of Jesus. Johnlove by your own admission you are no longer a Christian you brought in false doctrine. You have lied. You continue to point fingers at everyone trying to expose everyone elses corruption. You have turned Christianity into a demon and witch hunt. Take your holier than thou approach to the satanic church. You Johnlove have been marked as a spreader of false teachings. Everyone don't believe a single thing that comes from Johnlove his twisted idea of salvation comes straight from the pits of hell. Know it for what it is heresy.

Judge not, that you be not judged. Matt 7:1 RSV

 

[rdbseekingafterhim]

Thank you see Johnlove another person who gets the right message. You are the very definition of a false teacher. Jesus warned us of this. The apostles warned us of this. Heresy is not tolerated. It leads astray the flock. Anyone you lead astray with this heresy you Johnlove will be stained by their blood. It's written in the Bible. Also the devil quoted scripture to Jesus during the fast in the desert. The demons know scripture. However, they twist it's truth. Demons try to snare you with it. We are aware of what the enemy is trying to do through you. Depart from us satan in the name of Jesus.

 

[Johnlove]

The wrath of God is coming down on the whole world. Everyone who is of the devil is going to perish. Everyone who is not living God’s Word is going to suffer.
It is only the beginning, but there is no escape. Those who do no keep God’s Word are in for the most hurt that people have ever suffered.

Sinners are of the devil, and Jesus hates sinners.

 

[rdbseekingafterhim]

I know we are not to judge but I won't stand idly by while heresy is being preached.

 

[rdbseekingafterhim]

What is your definition of a sinner Johnlove? Does Jesus's sacrifice wash away our sins once we are born again? So once we are saved we are redeemed correct? So if we sin just once does it void the contract clearly labelled in the Bible once we have been saved?
From what I can tell then by seeing your posts we are to live in fear then. If we sin then we lose our salvation and then we would be forced into a never ending cycle of needing salvation every day of our lives. So your beliefs that you have stated are not of God. God does not want us to live in fear and stress period.

 

[Johnlove]

I know we are not to judge but I won't stand idly by while heresy is being preached.

I quote scripture and you say it is hearsay? Is hearsay something that says the teaching about God that you have received is wrong?

Do you still deliberately not keep some of God’s Word? If you do then you are evil, and of the devil. How then can one who is evil know what Hearsay is?

 

[Chester]

Notice John said anyone who lives in God does not sin. No way can one put habitually sinning in the scripture.

It's there - it says - the one who is born of God does not habitually sin - you can't take it out of the Scripture.

 

[rdbseekingafterhim]

I am saying when you say we stop sinning because we have the holy spirit. I know what scripture says. It says if we habitually sin then we are not living according to God's word it does not say when someone commits a sin. The scripture is being misread and taught wrong. Therefore that belief of just sinning you are not of God is what I am calling heresy. I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. So I as a Christian try to uphold to the standards that God expects. If I sin it means I'm still human. I still make mistakes. However if I deliberately continue to live in sin like being a drunkard for example then I am considered to have fallen away from God and need to repent and get right with God. Just committing a sin doesn't cause that living in sin basically returning to the world and turning your back on God does that. That's what the verse meant.

 

[Sac49]

As too certain verses you use to "prove" that a true Christian sinless upon receiving Christ. Basicslly you are saying that anyone who still commits a sin is not a true Christian.

1 John 2:5-6
The believer walks as Jesus wslks in obedience to God. Jesus was perfect in His walk so we try to emulate Him. Jesus is the archetype of who we are to be like. These verses say nothing about being perfectly sinnless.

1 John 3:5-6
John is not asserting sinless perfection but explaining that the believers life is cgaracterized not by sin but by doing what is right.

1 John 3:9-10
This is not a complete stopoing of sin but a life that is not characterized by sin.

What this all means, as i said before, is that as a Christian our lives are no longer controlled by sin. Our lives are controlled by God so we try to avoid sin. In weak moments we will still sin but we have the blood of Christ covering us so if we ask for forgiveness He will forgive us of that sin. If we keep sinning deliberately then no we are not in Christ. There is a difference here between deliberate sin and "accidental" (for lack of better word). One sin we do on purpose the other we do because of our sin nature but it is still no excuse. But since we are in Christ God will forgive us unless we refuse to give up our "old ways".

And one question for you. How do yiu study Gods Word? Do you just read and make up your own meaning? You will say "I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me". Do you actually study and see what others have to say about the passage you are reading? You will say "No i dont care what man says i care what God says". But what if its not the Holy Spirit guiding you but a different force? And how do you actually know its the Holy Spirit guiding you?

 

[posthuman]

here's a guy whose name we are all familiar with,

But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong.
(Galatians 2:11)
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who sinned.

As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.
(Galatians 2:13) ​

so did Barnabas, the scripture records, as also did some unspecified number of others that the scripture calls "believers"

 

[PeterJens]

actually I think he is correct in this. You know I look in the mirror everyday and everyday I feel like I am looking at a total stranger I don't recognize the person I see in the mirror and can't even look in my own eyes for to long before turning away because I feel like I am staring at a different person and it becomes awkward.
This didn't beginto happen until I began to try to believe who God says I am and perhaps this is why I only see a stranger in the mirror because when i see the person I used to see when I looked in the mirror I only saw a loser an ugly person a filthy wretched worm but then when I think of what God would say of me or see when he looks at me what he thinks when he thinks of me it's the exact opposite

You are responding to two things. The first is reacting or reading body language. With your emotional self you are identifying yourself in the emotional eyes you see people seeing you and you agree with them. They say you are a loser, ugly, useless. But inside you you know what you actually are that transcends all these impressions and feelings.

God does love and accept you as you are. You need to concentrate on what the cross actually means. Looks do not matter, or judgements of men, or systems of worth, or ways of measuring success. The Lord loves you, as you look, as you behave, as you express all the things of your life. Maybe you have never been truly loved in your life. I know how hard this is to bridge because that is where I was once. I did not trust or believe I could be loved.

Now God does not make you look better because he sees Christ, he sees you, as you are, every little aspect of you, and has great glorious plans for this man of God. You need to reach out and thank Jesus because He knows you and accepts you.
It is not your fault, you are as you are. What is your responsibility is just to follow, to take the steps He lays before each day. That is all, each day. That is enough my friend and brother, enough. You will become something more, be built in ways you cannot imagine and find the glorious realisation, we are His children, in His family.

 

[PeterJens]

Being born again is God's work not ours.

Think about this reality. No one can choose to be born again, God has either done the work or not.
You can only come to faith if God has done the work.

What the apostles are emphasising is though coming to faith seems a human intellectual assent, it
is actually spiritual and real.

Jesus describes it is the living word, with spirit and truth, comes and dwells in our hearts.
Now I never saw before the actual words of Christ could be alive but they are. They bring us
to faith, they define the promises and expressions of love. Think how families and friends express
love to each other. They are words with a real context, but the words convey the intention and
meaning.

Our moods and emotions often do not align with these realities, but we come to see it as real
when our hearts are stirred. It is the words that convey the realities.

And God said "Let there be light."

So being a christian is about righteousness and purity, but to be able to see this clearly we need
personally each to learn what this means in our walk. And Jesus says obedience, humbleness and
following. This is not extreme like the monks or nuns, but daily bringing things to Christ and listening
to the response.

Some ask why is God silent? Because He has answered in the word, He has answered in His people,
He has answered in the work in your heart. If God repeated these thing "supernaturally" you would
rely only on this and not who you are designed to become, a child of God, whose heart is as Gods
heart, one, sharing, giving and receiving, both separate and together.

So often if God comes plainly to us, there will be no choice, only obedience or sin. He does not
desire this, but that we discover His ways and walk in them. He is gracious and very patient.

 

[Utah]

Judge not, that you be not judged. Matt 7:1 RSV

That means we are not to judge someone for having green hair and a bone in their nose. We are very much responsible for judging and rebuking teachers of false doctrine that leads people away from Jesus Christ.

 

[gb9]

That means we are not to judge someone for having green hair and a bone in their nose. We are very much responsible for judging and rebuking teachers of false doctrine that leads people away from Jesus Christ.

that is they key. severe judgement, teaching sinless perfection, adding rules that are not in the Bible, these things drive folks away from Christ. which we are 100% not to do.

 

[PeterJens]

How odd to take purity and righteousness, make it extreme, "sinless perfection" and
then condemn it as evil.

God calls us to love, in purity and being blameless. It is for us to work out what this
means, he expects no less.

And always will sinners desire compromise, because that is the nature of sin itself.
You know the liar when a person says I am not a sinner though I sin.

 

[Johnlove]

It's there - it says - the one who is born of God does not habitually sin - you can't take it out of the Scripture.

How did your version of God’s written Word water down the following scripture, so people can feel righteous even though they continue to sin?

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”
(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

 

[Grace777x70]

Well my policy is not to respond to you but really for the benefit of any lurking person but I gonna just have to amend my policy this once hopefully ... Seriously?

Jesus said you must be born again, interesting you did not copy the passage over where He talks to Nicodemus.

If they believed and were saved then they were born again.

The bible states that even those who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved, calling upon His name you are accepting Him as Saviour and are born again.

Being born again is God's work not ours.

Amen...being born again is of God and it is His work only. Works-based salvationists need to do "their righteous deeds" in order to qualify for heaven. It's an anti-Christ belief.

John 1:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Were born is in the aorist passive indicative which means a one time happening in the past...and passive means it is was done to you - not you doing it.

 

[Chester]

How did your version of God’s written Word water down the following scripture, so people can feel righteous even though they continue to sin?

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”
(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

Here is I John 3:9,10 - not in my version - but in the original Greek - read what it says:

Pas ho gegennemenos ek tou theou harmartian ou poiei, hoti sperma autou en auto menei, kai ou dunatai hamartanein, hoti ek tou theou gegennetai. en touto fanera estin to tekna tou theou kai to tekna tou diabolou pas ho me poion dikaiosunen ouk estin ek tou theou kai ho me agapon ton adelfon autou I John 3: 9,10

 

[gb9]

How odd to take purity and righteousness, make it extreme, "sinless perfection" and
then condemn it as evil.

God calls us to love, in purity and being blameless. It is for us to work out what this
means, he expects no less.

And always will sinners desire compromise, because that is the nature of sin itself.
You know the liar when a person says I am not a sinner though I sin.

you see, you do not get to re-define what words mean. perfect means 100% pure, no flaw whatsoever. that is sinless perfection. it is not a sliding scale, it is not saying " I do not sin, but sometimes make a mistake" these are man-made lies. but since you deny the Biblical definition of sin, you have no credibility in these areas anyway.