BLESSED ARE THE PERSECUTED
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Here is an example of the difference.
One person shows scritpure describing the actions of someone claiming to believe is sinning. They show the scripture and say, "That is a sin." That may hurt, but at least it was being truthful.
Another person says your post is worth this..........and puts up note paper in the form of a roll of toilet paper hanging on a bathroom wall.
The first is an honest attempt to show reason from the Word.
The second is baseless and detestable.
One person shows scritpure describing the actions of someone claiming to believe is sinning. They show the scripture and say, "That is a sin." That may hurt, but at least it was being truthful.
Another person says your post is worth this..........and puts up note paper in the form of a roll of toilet paper hanging on a bathroom wall.
The first is an honest attempt to show reason from the Word.
The second is baseless and detestable.
I agree. We might surmise that some respond in the Holy Spirit and others respond in the flesh. We all are capable of responding in the flesh but only those who know Christ can respond in the Holy Spirit. We are told by Paul to mark them that cause divisions. Romans 16:17 We are also to mark them that walk as believers. Phil 3:17
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I agree with the bible and all those who agree with the bible. I disagree with all those who disagree with the bible. Phil 4:8-9 Finally brethren whatever things are true, whatever things are honest, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of a good report; if there be any virtue and if there be any praise think on these things...
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
When I first saw this thread my first impression was "DO NOT READ" because it is just Stephen attacking me or Zone or Sarah again.
Instead, I see a some verses about persecution, without explanation. My reaction was still this is about Stephen feeling bad because several people do not agree with some of his doctrine.
Now, if the OP had written some specific examples of persecution, say, in Mozambique, we could have had a good discussion about persecution. If he had posted a link to the Voice of the Martyrs, asking for prayer for the many people who are in prison, tortured by non-Christians for their faith, this topic could have gone somewhere.
Sadly, it degenerates into a personal argument between quite a few people. All of whom are confessing Christians, and none of whom have been persecuted here. And while Catholics might have persecuted Lutherans and vice versa, and both persecuted Anabaptists at one point in history to the point of death, that is not happening here, as someone already pointed out. Neither are the atheists and Muslims massing to attack the Christians on this forum.
An Internet discussion is simply NOT persecution!! No matter how snide the comments, how fierce the doctrinal debate.
Unless, of course, some people are irrationally angry and are taking it out on anyone who disagrees with them.
Maybe it is time to think about Jesus' words in his High Priestly Prayer in John 17.
"And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. " John 17:11
Not seeing a lot of unity at all here.
Or perhaps advice from Thumper's mother would be better - "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."
Instead, I see a some verses about persecution, without explanation. My reaction was still this is about Stephen feeling bad because several people do not agree with some of his doctrine.
Now, if the OP had written some specific examples of persecution, say, in Mozambique, we could have had a good discussion about persecution. If he had posted a link to the Voice of the Martyrs, asking for prayer for the many people who are in prison, tortured by non-Christians for their faith, this topic could have gone somewhere.
Sadly, it degenerates into a personal argument between quite a few people. All of whom are confessing Christians, and none of whom have been persecuted here. And while Catholics might have persecuted Lutherans and vice versa, and both persecuted Anabaptists at one point in history to the point of death, that is not happening here, as someone already pointed out. Neither are the atheists and Muslims massing to attack the Christians on this forum.
An Internet discussion is simply NOT persecution!! No matter how snide the comments, how fierce the doctrinal debate.
Unless, of course, some people are irrationally angry and are taking it out on anyone who disagrees with them.
Maybe it is time to think about Jesus' words in his High Priestly Prayer in John 17.
"And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. " John 17:11
Not seeing a lot of unity at all here.
Or perhaps advice from Thumper's mother would be better - "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."
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There has always been this kind of stuff on Internet Christian forums open for broad ranging discussions.
How come for CC it's getting translated into some sort of temporary spiritual lesson that will go away once it's learned?
Almost feels like you're setting up a group of folks as "the persecutors" which in a sense is persecution of them. Doesn't setting up a group of Christians as the "persecutors" create more division?
How come for CC it's getting translated into some sort of temporary spiritual lesson that will go away once it's learned?
Almost feels like you're setting up a group of folks as "the persecutors" which in a sense is persecution of them. Doesn't setting up a group of Christians as the "persecutors" create more division?
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sigh!......you kids...(face palm)......here's a cookie for each one of you, before you finish it you will feel a whole lot better..
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Just to show that disagreements and such aren't something new to CC, or some sort of temporary thing to teach us lesson, or something that started in 2010..
Here is a thread from 2009 on tongues.
Somenoe asserts that there is fighting going on.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/2055-necessity-tongues-prayer-language.html
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Hey Stephen ! I've already been attacked and the best way is to just answer once and move on !
If nonetheless they continue to attack you, just ignore them and make positive comments with other positive people only.
That way you will teach yourself and the attackers it's better to stay positive by avoiding negative and endless and sterile and belittling and confusing arguments
Don't feed the attacks and you'll feel much better
Trust me, I learnt that the hard way
Be blessed my brothers and sisters in the Truth !
For the Lord is not a Lord of confusion, but He is a Lord of peace, as we can see in all the holy churches of the saints !
If nonetheless they continue to attack you, just ignore them and make positive comments with other positive people only.
That way you will teach yourself and the attackers it's better to stay positive by avoiding negative and endless and sterile and belittling and confusing arguments
Don't feed the attacks and you'll feel much better
Trust me, I learnt that the hard way
Be blessed my brothers and sisters in the Truth !
For the Lord is not a Lord of confusion, but He is a Lord of peace, as we can see in all the holy churches of the saints !
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... and this thread so represents how so many people who call themselves persecuted would do Christ more service by not claiming THAT.
Refresh my memory if you will. How are we in North America presently persecuted ? Are our BBQ propane tanks not filled to their limits ? Do we receive only a medium fry when we've ordered and paid for a large ? Are we the recipients of smaller scoops when we indulge ourselves with our favourite ice-creams ? How are we (or you perhaps), "the persecuted", suffering for the cause of Christ ? What was Stephen's point again ?? Give me .... and all here ... and especially those who are truly suffering persecution for the cause of Christ a break.
Refresh my memory if you will. How are we in North America presently persecuted ? Are our BBQ propane tanks not filled to their limits ? Do we receive only a medium fry when we've ordered and paid for a large ? Are we the recipients of smaller scoops when we indulge ourselves with our favourite ice-creams ? How are we (or you perhaps), "the persecuted", suffering for the cause of Christ ? What was Stephen's point again ?? Give me .... and all here ... and especially those who are truly suffering persecution for the cause of Christ a break.
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