Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

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EleventhHour

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And yet what we have seen throughout history is separation between those saved and those not.

God is not strong enough to make His Desires come to pass?
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You have a god of compulsion not a sovereign God, there is a difference.

He created us as autonomous beings not puppets.
 
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Grandpa said:
And yet what we have seen throughout history is separation between those saved and those not.

God is not strong enough to make His Desires come to pass?
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We know God is strong enough to make his desires come to pass. We know it is his will that all be saved. So there has to be an explanation as to why some wont be saved....And that is because they choose not to accept the free gift that has come upon all men.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

ALL means ALL...just saying
 
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EleventhHour said:
You have a god of compulsion not a sovereign God, there is a difference.

He created us as autonomous beings not puppets.
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Saying it doesn't make it true.

Every saved individual should know that there are things that they can no longer do. Even though they know they still want to.

We are, effectively, the puppet of God when we are saved. To use your analogy.


I prefer, His Workmanship, but you know, to each their own.
 
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Every saved individual should know that there are things that they can no longer do. Even though they know they still wa

I prefer, His Workmanship, but you know, to each their own.[/QUOTE]



Amen,Amen,Amen........I also prefer his workmanship...

I’ve been warned by the Lord....been very patient with me.

Only our Father can truly discipline his children..
 
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IF it is by your will that you decided to be saved and LET God save you then effectively your will overpowered Gods Will and made Him save you.
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So you’re saying that it is God’s will that people be condemned.
 
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Grandpa said:
Saying it doesn't make it true.

Every saved individual should know that there are things that they can no longer do. Even though they know they still want to.

We are, effectively, the puppet of God when we are saved. To use your analogy.


I prefer, His Workmanship, but you know, to each their own.
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My point is your god makes "conversion" an act of compulsion because his grace is irresistible.
 
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It is those who continue to worship their own will that have the distorted view that comes from an ungodly place.
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I thought you had more credibility than what you’re displaying on this thread today. What you share is complete and total twisted garbage. No one here WORSHIPS their own will.
 
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Duskey said:
I thought you had more credibility than what you’re displaying on this thread today. What you share is complete and total twisted garbage. No one here WORSHIPS their own will.
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May God’s peace wash over you....in Jesus Name.....Amen.
 
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Duskey said:
I thought you had more credibility than what you’re displaying on this thread today. What you share is complete and total twisted garbage. No one here WORSHIPS their own will.
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When their "sacred skewed dogma" is under fire they will rally together .. it is always the way.

How many scriptures are denied, distorted to make this dogma work.... sad.
 
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1ofthem said:
We know God is strong enough to make his desires come to pass. We know it is his will that all be saved. So there has to be an explanation as to why some wont be saved....And that is because they choose not to accept the free gift that has come upon all men.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

ALL means ALL...just saying
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Your first 3 sentences I TOTALLY agreed with.

Your 4th sentence, your conclusion, I don't agree with.

There is nothing special that resides in those who will be saved vs those who won't be saved that causes them to make GREAT decisions.

It is merely the Lords Leading that causes those who will be saved to make those GREAT decisions.



I would like to focus on your sentence "So there has to be an explanation as to why some wont be saved".

Romans 9:21-23
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
 
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All people refuse.

They just didn't know they were refusing until they are saved.
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So why did John the Baptist not inform of us such?

Why did not state.... "You cannot repent but God will force you"
 
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Grandpa said:
Your first 3 sentences I TOTALLY agreed with.

Your 4th sentence, your conclusion, I don't agree with.

There is nothing special that resides in those who will be saved vs those who won't be saved that causes them to make GREAT decisions.

It is merely the Lords Leading that causes those who will be saved to make those GREAT decisions.



I would like to focus on your sentence "So there has to be an explanation as to why some wont be saved".

Romans 9:21-23
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
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So you do agree that once one is persuaded, convicted they receive the gift of salvation?

Obviously there is a passive act involved?
 
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