Contradiction of WORDS

[SeaBass]

Eternal salvation in Christ is not going somewhere to receive a free car.....this analogy is fruitless at best......wow!

The point of the example was to prove working in coming to get the free car does not mean one is earning the free car.

Therefore obedient works do not, cannot earn a free gift Christ has already offered.

 

[SeaBass]

This statement is blasphemous and so contrary to the truth....it proves you are lost as the word of God clearly teaches that it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE and YOU just lied about God....man for someone who believes in works and that you can loose your salvation.....Lets see...twice in two days you have committed sins worthy of death and according to you have lost your salvation as your words and works prove your lost state.....I suggest you trust Jesus in a biblical manner before you wake up in hell dude.....WOW...DUDE...I don't think you understand the seriousness of this statement!

The statement was a question in response to a post made by Elin. I could not figure what point she was trying to make, still cannot figure it out.

 

[SeaBass]

That's blatant blasphemy seebass....God cannot lie

I never said God could lie. You falsely accuse me of something I never said.

Ask Elin what she meant by posting "Yes, and God lies because Scripture does not state: God does not lie only."

Isn't Elin saying since the bible does NOT explicitly say "God does not lie only" then Elin is implying God can lie?

I have no idea what point she is trying to make with that statement.

 

[SeaBass]

WOW! SEA MONKEY I DONT KNOW HOW I MISSED THIS! YOU BEST EXPLAIN YOURSELVES NOW ON THIS AND THE QUESTION I HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR SOME TIME NOW!

Again, ask Elin what her post meant.

 

[Elin]

No, it has to state "God is truthful only," or it does not mean that God is always truthful, just as

it has to state, "if I have a free gift to give I cannot put conditions on the gree gift"

or it does not mean that a free gift is without conditions.

Again, are you trying to say since the bible does not explicitly state "dipping is a condition" then that allows you think that dipping was not a condition?

According to your perverse hermeneutic, the bible has to explicitly state,
"I cannot put conditions on a free gift," in order to mean the gift is truly free.

In your perverse hermeneutic, "free" is not sufficient to mean truly free.

In your perverse hermeneutic, the self-evident has to be established,
the self-evident does not establish itself.

 

[SeaBass]

I know for sure...You know he worded it as a statement and then added a ? so which is it...if a question then He doesn't know God's word and if a statement...He doesn't know God's word....so either way you go it sets forth ignorance to some level unless I am totally missing something from the back and forth that is going on....

It was a question in trying to figure out what point Elin was trying to make and my question gets twisted into accusing me of something I never said.

 

[SeaBass]

You aren't God.

He has no conditions for the gift of salvation through the gift of faith (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27)
and the gift of repentance (2Tim 2:25; Ac 11:18; 5:31).

You know nothing of God's power in moving the heart (enabling) to come, and seek to add your own power to it.

I never said I was God. More twisting of what I said.

What I say continues to get twisted to avoid that fact that if one does work in coming the get the free car that work does not earn the car.

 

[Elin]

The point of the example was to prove working in coming to get the free car does not mean one is earning the free car.

Therefore obedient works do not, cannot earn a free gift Christ has already offered.

With which Eph 2:8-9 emphatically disagrees.

God has no conditions for the free gift of salvation by grace (Eph 2:8-9)
through the gift of faith (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27) and the gift of repentance (2Tim 2:25; Ac 11:18; 5:31).

You rob God of his glory.

 

[SeaBass]

No one comes unless the Father enables them.

The coming is of God, not of man.

Man simply responds to the moving of his heart.

It is no more work than responding to the moving of one's heart to love.

It's so sad that you know so little of the power of God that you must supplement it with your own power.

You didn't read this and this, did you?

Your putting fault and blame upon God for those that do not come to Christ.

Jn 6:45 says one is taught, hears and learns and "cometh unto Me" One comes to Christ of his own free will.

 

[SeaBass]

Where does Scripture state the group is sealed rather than the individual?

The book of Ephesians for starters.


Where does the bible say one outside the group, that is, one NOT a Christian can be sealed?

 

[SeaBass]

it's amazing to me what lengths you works people go through to prove that grace has to be EARNED. that is the real man-made teaching.

Pure straw man for I have argued and said over and over that salvation CANNOT be earned. The issue here is about those that refuse, put forth much effort to not understand a simple concept.

How can one not understand that the work of sipping was a condition God put on His free gift to Naaman yet the work earned Naaman NOTHING? One must work hard to avoid, to purposely not understand something this simple.

 

[Elin]

The statement was a question in response to a post made by Elin.
I could not figure what point she was trying to make, still cannot figure it out.

My point was not well made, causing him to incorrectly frame his response.

 

[SeaBass]

Those who leave Christ never truly loved Christ in the first place (1Jn 2:19).

True faith does not apostasize, only counterfeit faith apostasizes
because it has no root of rebirth (Lk 8:13).

One cannot leave what they were never really a apart of to begin with. For one to leave Christ then he must have first been of Christ.

 

[Elin]

I never said I was God. More twisting of what I said.

What I say continues to get twisted to avoid that fact that if one does work in coming the get the free car that work does not earn the car.

Scripture disagrees with you.

God has no conditions for the free gift of salvation by grace (Eph 2:8-9) through
the gift of faith (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27) and the gift of repentance (2Tim 2:25; Ac 11:18; 5:31).

It is all of God. . .and you rob God of his glory by crediting yourself with a contribution to it.

 

[SeaBass]

Methinks redefining the meaning of the word "free," is the pot calling the kettle black.

Again more TWISTING. Where have I redefined the word "free"?

All that is going on here is you are refusing to understand a simple concept for it undermines your theology.

 

[SeaBass]

According to your perverse hermeneutic, the bible has to explicitly state,
"I cannot put conditions on a free gift," in order to mean the gift is truly free.

In your perverse hermeneutic, "free" is not sufficient to mean truly free.

In your perverse hermeneutic, the self-evident has to be established,
the self-evident does not establish itself.

Your logic fails you because you refuse to understand fee gifts can have conditions and the conditions to not take away the 'freeness"

Again, I have a free car to give. Do the work in coming and getting it and it's yours---free.

Your are refusing to understand that your work in coming and getting the car does not in one iota take away any of the "freeness" of the car at all.

 

[SeaBass]

With which Eph 2:8-9 emphatically disagrees.

God has no conditions for the free gift of salvation by grace (Eph 2:8-9)
through the gift of faith (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27) and the gift of repentance (2Tim 2:25; Ac 11:18; 5:31).

You rob God of his glory.

I see in Eph 2:8 that the condition of "faith" is put upon the free gift. So when one has faith he is trying to earn salvation? Hardly.

The condition of FAITH and NOT "faith only"

 

[elf3]

There is no contradictions where you claim there are.

The fact is free gifts can come with conditions and meeting those conditions do not earn the gift.

Again, in Jn 6:27, one on hand Jesus said to LABOUR for the meat that endures unto everlasting life. On the other hand Jesus says He GIVES everlasting life, it's free. Why would He say to labour for something He freely gives? Because He has put conditions on His free gift.

Then it's not a free gift.


And I did apologize

 

[Elin]

No one comes unless the Father enables them.

The coming is of God, not of man.

Man simply responds to the moving of his heart.

It is no more work than responding to the moving of one's heart to love.

It's so sad that you know so little of the power of God that you must supplement it with your own power.

You didn't read this and this, did you?

Your putting fault and blame upon God for those that do not come to Christ.

And now we're down to the real issue--unbelief.

You simply do not believe Jn 6:37, 61-65:

Jn 6:61-65: "On hearing it many of his disciples said, 'This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?'

(Sound familiar?)

. . .Jesus said to them, 'Does this offend you. . .that is why I told you that no one can come
to me unless the Father has enabled him.' "

Jn 6:37: "All that the Father gives me will come to me."

Your problem of unbelief is with God, not with me.

 

[Elin]

Where does Scripture state the group is sealed rather than the individual?

The book of Ephesians for starters.

Where does the bible say one outside the group, that is, one NOT a Christian can be sealed?

Non-responsive.