Contradiction of WORDS

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Elin and Dc all we are doing by repeating ourselves to seabass is getting ourselves frustrated. We have ALL already answered these questions. Just tell him to go back and read again.
Actually it is rather amusing to see them twist and reject scripture which shows the absurdity of their failing arguments....they both trust themselves over the faith of Jesus which is evident.....while amusing it is also somewhat tragic at the same time as a gospel of a different kind will lead to a place that is extremely hot for sure.
 
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More typical AVOIDANCE of the issue.

I NEVER have said it had anything to do with Naaman's salvation. It is a perfect example of God's grace having a condition of a work being done (dipping 7 times) to receive God's grace yet that work in no way earns God's grace.
Are you really that blind to what you are saying....serious....your theology and words constantly contradict themselves for sure.....wow!
 

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Elin said:
Actually, it is Skinski7ism that has redefined the terms.

Salvation is not a "divine influence."
It is a transplant
, from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light.
The Truth
Grace = God's free provision of divinely influencing the hearts of men.
Faith = The active dynamic of wholeheartedly yielding to God.
Salvation = A manifest state of walking in the Spirit crucified to the world and its lusts.
Repentance = A change of mind wrought via godly sorrow that necessitates a total change in actions.
Sin = Two different kinds. 1. Rebellion to God ie. doing wrong when you know it is wrong, this has stopped with a Christian. 2. Sins of ignorance ie. doing wrong ignorantly, these sins are to be confessed and addressed by a Christian as they grow.

Why do you twist my words
?
From one whose methodology's chief characteristic is twisting words.

Go figure. . .

Grace is the divine influence on our hearts, not salvation.
The grace of salvation is not an "influence," it is a transplant.
 
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Actually it is rather amusing to see them twist and reject scripture which shows the absurdity of their failing arguments....they both trust themselves over the faith of Jesus which is evident.....while amusing it is also somewhat tragic at the same time as a gospel of a different kind will lead to a place that is extremely hot for sure.
Watching a fish flop around out of water is funny but it's also cruel :)
 
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Intellectual dishonesty?????

I am not the one denying the fact Naaman had to do a work (dipping 7 times) to conditionally receive God's grace yet that work did not earn Naaman God's grace.
Another contradiction of words and terms so as to push COC doctrine....

had to do a work to conditionally receive God's grace
yet that work did not earn God's Grace

Are you seriously that blind to your own contradiction of words and phrases?
 
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Another contradiction of words and terms so as to push COC doctrine....

had to do a work to conditionally receive God's grace
yet that work did not earn God's Grace

Are you seriously that blind to your own contradiction of words and phrases?
Are you just now figuring that out Dc? We have seen many contradictions that apparently only exist to us lol
 
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Here is the bottom line once again to cut through all the obfuscation.


Jesus preached...

Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

That verse is presented within the context of Jesus teaching on inward righteousness versus a mere outward form (ie. lust in the heart is still adultery, hate in the heart is still murder).

The chief criticism of Jesus to the Pharisees was about the condition of their hearts...

Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Thus Jesus taught...

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus gave himself for us to...

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Jesus was incarnated to...


Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

We are saved from sin via...

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Notice that the "service of sin" ceases. This aligns with...

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus Christ sets us free from the service of sin and thus we are saved from the law of sin and death which is if you sin you die.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This is why the opposite of the "wages of sin is death" is "eternal life through Jesus Christ" because...

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Which is how our righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees.

Which is why...

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

And why...

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


Now people are free to reject all the above and argue in favour of ongoing sin in salvation, a salvation in which they are not saved from sin, all they like. What they believe is simply not true and what they believe will send them to hell because they have rejected what Jesus actually taught and thus refuse to do it.

The Bible is very clear and simple to understand on these things. All one has to have is an honest heart in order to understand it.
 
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Can one who becomes a Christian NOT do good works per Eph 2:10 and still be saved?
Previously addressed. . .multiple times.

Contradiction of terms.
 

Elin

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Again, can one who becomes a Christian today NOT do good works yet still be saved anyway?
Again, previously addressed. . .multiple times.

Contradiction of terms.
 

Elin

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Faith is required by anyone who desires to access God's grace.
No one is graciously saved faithlessly/in unbelief.
Was Paul saved in belief or unbelief in Christ?
 
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Did you become a non sinner before you came to Christ? And after you came to Christ have you now become sinless?
Here is the bottom line once again to cut through all the obfuscation.


Jesus preached...

Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

That verse is presented within the context of Jesus teaching on inward righteousness versus a mere outward form (ie. lust in the heart is still adultery, hate in the heart is still murder).

The chief criticism of Jesus to the Pharisees was about the condition of their hearts...

Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Thus Jesus taught...

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus gave himself for us to...

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Jesus was incarnated to...


Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

We are saved from sin via...

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Notice that the "service of sin" ceases. This aligns with...

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus Christ sets us free from the service of sin and thus we are saved from the law of sin and death which is if you sin you die.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This is why the opposite of the "wages of sin is death" is "eternal life through Jesus Christ" because...

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Which is how our righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees.

Which is why...

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

And why...

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


Now people are free to reject all the above and argue in favour of ongoing sin in salvation, a salvation in which they are not saved from sin, all they like. What they believe is simply not true and what they believe will send them to hell because they have rejected what Jesus actually taught and thus refuse to do it.

The Bible is very clear and simple to understand on these things. All one has to have is an honest heart in order to understand it.
Now although that is nice and you put some thought into that but just plain and simple answer my above questions. They are actually just "yes" or "no" questions
 

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Funny you just took one snippet of all that Dc has said (not just here but on other posts
and made him say something he didn't say). Why? Because you took it out of context and only used one "passage"
You're catching on to the intellectually dishonest methodology of Skinski7ism.
 

Elin

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I am not saying you said it but just asking you a question: So one who always does evil, unrighteousness and disobedient to God all their life can be saved?
Previously addressed. . .multiple times.
 
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Did you become a non sinner before you came to Christ? And after you came to Christ have you now become sinless?
Now in my experience when people cannot answer with a simple yes or no there are a couple reasons they cant.

1 because they can't
2 they are afraid too
3 they have to talk themselves into their own reasoning because they aren't sure
 

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eEin said:
SeaBass said:
You just made grace conditional upon one accepting it.
Elin says it is unconditional.
You two need to get together and get your ideas straightened out.
The only thing that needs "straightening out" is your intellectually dishonest methodology of misrepresentation.
Intellectual dishonesty?????
Yep. . . . . . .
 

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Skin let's hear you definitions of mercy and grace. Not from a dictionary but from you.
I think he gave them here:

Modern theology has redefined the terms.

The Lie
Grace = Free Gift/Unmerited Favour
Faith = Trust
Salvation = A Legal Position premised upon Jesus paying the sin debt owed.
Repentance = Confession of sinfulness.
Sin = Everything we do.

The Truth
Grace = God's free provision of divinely influencing the hearts of men.
Faith = The active dynamic of wholeheartedly yielding to God.
Salvation = A manifest state of walking in the Spirit crucified to the world and its lusts.
Repentance = A change of mind wrought via godly sorrow that necessitates a total change in actions.
Sin = Two different kinds. 1. Rebellion to God ie. doing wrong when you know it is wrong, this has stopped with a Christian. 2. Sins of ignorance ie. doing wrong ignorantly, these sins are to be confessed and addressed by a Christian as they grow.
 
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Did you become a non sinner before you came to Christ? And after you came to Christ have you now become sinless?
I'll help you out skin and show you how it's done.

No
No

Pretty simple right.
 

Elin

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Again, can one who becomes a Christian today NOT do good works yet still be saved anyway?

Previously addressed. . .multiple times.

Contradiction of terms.