Contradiction of WORDS

[elf3]

In other words a person gets saved and is eternally secure and will go to the kingdom no matter what they do. Salvation is this positional abstraction which has nothing to do with a transformed heart and thus one can just keep on sinning.

Saved people can even rape babies and murder people and will just receive chastisement in this world instead of blessings.


Ok so maybe I posted my below statement before I read this. Jd maybe we need to talk more if you believe this.

Now I don't believe everything skin said but I think they did a pretty good job answering the thing we were discussing jd

 

[SeaBass]

I think it's funny how people assume that because we are saved by faith alone they think we are saying "don't ever do good works". Just funny funny funny!

Again, can one who becomes a Christian today NOT do good works yet still be saved anyway?

 

[dcontroversal]

Did Naaman merit his healing by doing the work of going and dipping therefore God's grace had nothing to do with it? Yes? No?

Again you fall back to an event that HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH BIBLICAL SALVATION of a person's eternal SOUL....as long as you keep using a tainted COC pamphlet or doctrinal tool to keep you in ignorance you will never get it!

 

[dcontroversal]

Why do you twist my words?

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This is rich coming from you...as you did the same thing to me above.......what a farce for sure!

 

[Elin]

I get the virulent spirit of antichrist deceptively presenting itself as simply one who has doubts about the gospel because of the influence of a Jewish friend.
Word to the wise: it's not a supposed "Jewish friend" who is doing the influencing.

"even now, many anti-Christs have come." (1Jn 2:18)

"Who is the liar? It is the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ.
Such a man is the anti-Christ--he denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22)

"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh
have gone into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the anti-Christ." (2Jn 7)

This is what Jesus said about himself.

You get to decide whether you believe him or not:

• He came from heaven (Jn 3;13, 6:38, 42, 62)
• and was sent by God (Jn 5:36-40, 10:36, 13:3, 16:28)
• to die as a ransom for the sins of many (Mt 20:28, 26:28, Jn 10:11),
• with power to forgive sin (Mt 9:2-6),
• to conquer Satan (Jn 12:31; Lk 10:18; Mk 1:23-26, 5:6-13),
• to speak for God (Jn 7:16, 8:25-28, 12:44-45, 49-50, 14:10, Lk 9:35, 10:16),
• and to judge all mankind (Jn 5:22, 27, 8:26, 12:48, Mt 25:31-33),
• as the exclusive way to God (Jn 14:6; Ac 4:12) - excludes all other ways,
• the source of all truth and life (Jn 1:4, 5:25-26, 6:39-40),
• the decisive factor in the eternal destiny of every man (Jn 3:18-19, 36, 5:24, 6:40, 8:24-25),
• possessing all authority (power) in heaven and earth (Mt 26:64, 28:18; Lk 10:22, Jn 13:3, 13),
• equal with God (Jn 5:18, 8:19, 12:44-45, 14:7-9, 16:15, 17:10); i.e., doing what God does (Jn 5:19)
  • as the Father works, so the Son works (miracles) - (Jn 5:17)
  • as the Father gives life, so the Son gives life (Jn 5:21)
  • as the Father is Judge, so the Son is Judge (Jn 5:22)
  • as the Father is to be honored, so the Son is to be honored (Jn 5:23)
  • as the Father has (eternal) life in himself, so the Son has (eternal) life in himself (Jn 5:26)
  • as the Father sends with authority and power, so the Son sends with authority and power (Jn 20:21)
  • as the Father confers the kingdom, so the Son confers the kingdom (Lk 22:29)
  • as the Father is Lawgiver, so the Son is Lawgiver (Mt 5:23-47, 12:7-8, 19:9, 21:23-27, chp 23)
• empowering the apostles to speak for him, as well as for God (Lk 10:16, Jn 13:20)
• and to recall and understand all things correctly (Jn 14:26, 16:13-15, Lk 24:48-49).

And remember, Jesus said he was speaking exactly what God told him to say
when he made all these claims about himself (Jn 12:49).
And finally, his name is Emmanuel which is "God with us." (Mt 1:23)
Jesus is saying in these staggering claims that he is no less than God.

And that is precisely the way the Jews (who were there) understood him
(Mk 2:3-7; Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59; 19:7), which is why they had him killed.​

You're not really listening.

I'm hearing your unbelief.

What else am I not hearing?

Correction, you're hearing me honestly questioning long held beliefs for good reason.
The reason being the scriptures themselves.

Yes, you question the Scriptures themselves.
And Jesus' claims in those Scriptures are clear.

You simply do not believe him.
That is called unbelief.

Your beliefs are more suitable at the synagogue where Jesus of Nazareth is denied as the Christ.

This is a Christian forum which believes in the NT.

You're wasting your time here.

 

[elf3]

Again, can one who becomes a Christian today NOT do good works yet still be saved anyway?

You know what seamonkey! I have actually answered EVERY question you are again bringing up either on this forum or the other forum. In fact I personally have answered them all at least twice I think. How about you take the rest of the day off from posting and read EVERYTHING in both forums. You will see I have answered them all. And that's just me. Others have done the same.

NOW STOP ASKING THE SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER!!! Go back and this time actually read!

 

[elf3]

Now I don't believe everything skin said but I think they did a pretty good job answering the thing we were discussing jd

You know what jd. After rereading and seeing responses to questions and remarks made I have to recant. We need to talk. Seems more and more things said are getting twisted. I cannot agree with skin. I am sorry for that jump on my part...I should have read closer. I apologize.

 

[Elin]

well this is NT language....unless of course someone decides to change baptism to spirit baptism....clear as day...buried with him by baptism......does not look like a symbol to me,

Didn't say it was a symbol, said it was a sign, like Jesus' miracles were signs, which performed a physical reality.

 

[SeaBass]

Just as I am without one plea
But that thy blood was shed for me
And that thou bidst me come to thee
O, Lamb of God, I come, I come.

Just as I am and waiting not
To rid my soul of one dark blot
To thee whose blood can cleanse each spot
O, Lamb of God, I come, I come.

Just as I am thou wilt receive
Wilt welcome, pardon,cleanse, relieve;
Because thy promise I believe
O, Lamb of God, I come, I come.

Because thy promise I believe = faith.

By grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God.

Just as I am.

Yes, we sing this song and the sinner must conditionally doing the work of coming to Christ, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."

 

[Skinski7]

I cut the rest out because you, like everyone else who believes in works for salvation added to, embellished and stated something that I did not say so what does that make you.....?

Why not be truthful. You mean people like me who believe "faith = faithfulness" which you define as "works."

Thus when Jesus taught be a DOER of the word you are in opposition because DOING contradicts "not of works" in your mind. The truth though is that "not of works" simply means "not of works done apart from grace." In other words we cannot save ourselves apart from the grace of God which leads us to where we need to go.

Paul is very emphatic in those warning he gave. He said if you do those things you will not inherit the kingdom. You teach that you can do those things and inherit the kingdom and thus demonstrate you don't believe Paul. You don't believe the Bible, you treat it like a menu and pick and choose the little tidbits you like to believe exclusive of their context.

This is a perfect example of what I am talking about and I appreciate you bringing it up.

1Joh 1:8 is a favourite verse people use to excuse ongoing sin.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

"Oh sin we will and sin we must and if you deny it you are a liar, see the Bible proves it in 1Jn 1:8" is the cry.

Yet that verse does not exist in a vacuum. That verse has a context and the context is this...

1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

You ignore the surrounding verses and pretend they don't exist.

1Joh 1:8 is about how we initially approach God seeking to be cleansed. We have to come clean with God and confess our sin, anyone who claims to have no sin to their account is a liar and the truth cannot possibly be in them.

That verse has nothing to do with coming to God while you are still in rebellion because one cannot walk in the light as He is in the light whilst in rebellion. The rebellion has to cease. 1Joh 1:8-10 are verses about being honest with God when we repent for THEN the blood cleanses us if we are walking in the light. The same principle is found throughout the Bible...

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

Third...a saved CHILD OF GOD can and does sin, but does not live a continual LIFESTYLE of sin...

You just do not believe the Bible. You want just want to "sin less" instead of "stopping sin." That is why you twist salvation to include occasional acts of rebellion, just so long as it is not a habit. A child molester can just occasionally molest a child right? A rapist can just occasionally rape a woman right? A murdered can just occasionally murder someone right? Just so long as they don't do it every week or month? You really believe that even though Jesus focused on heart purity in the Gospel? You want to argue in favour of unrighteousness?

John wrote...

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

You don't believe what John wrote. You teach the opposite.

Would you call John a liar to his face? It is easier to just ignore what he wrote I know because he is long dead.

The children of God are manifest in they do not commit sin. It couldn't be any clearer. He who sins is of the devil.

Yet you teach we all sin, that no-one can stop. You believe in a salvation where sin is more powerful than God's ability to save you from sin. Have you ever really considered how foolish a belief that is? I mean really ever thought about it seriously? Are you really willing to stand before God at the judgement and claim that you couldn't stop sinning when Jesus taught "go and sin no more"?

Jesus warned...

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

By your own admission you claim to be a worker of iniquity because you claim you still sin. Therefore you continue to work evil yet think you are saved? Read that warning above again. Isn't it people like you it is speaking about? "Workers of iniquity" versus those who "do the will of God."

Isn't that the same thing Paul taught in Romans 2...

Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

What do you do with passages like the above when I bring them up? Does your mind just block them out? Do you purposely ignore them? Do you somehow twist them into meaning something other than what they state? I would really like to know.

WAS DAVID a saved child of GOD after GOD'S on heart and mind when he commited adultery and then Killed URIAH so he could have BATHSHEBA? YES and as a child of God he paid the price in his PHYSICAL life by the CHASTENING HAND OF GOD, but STILL REMAINED a child of God...

So you think David could have been engaged in adultery and murder and not repented and entered the kingdom? How can you believe that with all the warnings throughout the Bible to turn from wickedness in order to be forgiven? Who do those warning apply to them? Are they written in there as jokes to be scoffed at?

So we can live like the devil and only be punished in this life but rewarded with eternal life? You are speaking like Satan. "Ye can sin and not surely die." That is what you are teaching. You are teaching that you can disobey God and not face the eternal consequences. Somehow you believe you have a license to sin with impunity.

 

[Elin]

One cannot literally be made into sin

The word for "sin" also means "sin offering."

Jesus was made a sin offering for us (Ro 3:25).

And a study of the Levitical sin offering will show the substitutionary atonement of the sin offering.

God called them offerings for "sin."

Sorry you don't like his terminology and seek to elevate the foolish wisdom of Skinski7ism above it.

 

[SeaBass]

Grace is unconditional.

What grace can produce is conditional because faith is required to make grace effectual to the saving of the soul.

That is why we access grace via faith. We put the grace of God to use by yielding to it and that is the dynamic that works a transformation of the heart. This is why we receive grace for obedience.

Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:


Modern theology has redefined the terms.

The Lie
Grace = Free Gift/Unmerited Favour
Faith = Trust
Salvation = A Legal Position premised upon Jesus paying the sin debt owed.
Repentance = Confession of sinfulness.
Sin = Everything we do.

The Truth
Grace = God's free provision of divinely influencing the hearts of men.
Faith = The active dynamic of wholeheartedly yielding to God.
Salvation = A manifest state of walking in the Spirit crucified to the world and its lusts.
Repentance = A change of mind wrought via godly sorrow that necessitates a total change in actions.
Sin = Two different kinds. 1. Rebellion to God ie. doing wrong when you know it is wrong, this has stopped with a Christian. 2. Sins of ignorance ie. doing wrong ignorantly, these sins are to be confessed and addressed by a Christian as they grow.

God's grace is unconditionally available to all men, Tts 2:11 but actually receiving God's grace is conditional. Rom 5:2 one must conditionally have faith to access God's grace.....no faith=no grace.

 

[SeaBass]

What you fail to understand is the simple fact that Paul is writing unto people who are already saved and that the just shall live by faith.....A person who has been REGENERATED and BORN of the SPIRIT is eternally sealed and saved and after salvation a person can do one of two things....walk faithfully before God or be rebellious....Rebellion leads to chastisement and Faithfulness leads to continual blessing by God.....and why not quote the whole context instead of one verse out of context which has nothing at all to do with the eternal life as found in Christ by those who believe!

Faith is required by anyone who desires to access God's grace. No one is graciously saved faithlessly/in unbelief.

 

[SeaBass]

Grace is unconditional. I think you are just confused with the terms.

Think of grace as a road map which it to be followed. Faith is the following. Salvation is the destination.

Thus one can receive the road map but refuse to follow it and never read the destination.

Calvinists teach that grace is an irresistible pull that drags unwilling people to a destination by making them willing. They teach it this way because they believe in Total Depravity which teaches that human beings are born disabled in regards to being able to obey God. Thus grace to these people is a disability offset not a road map. They perceive grace more as a kidnapper who grabs you and takes you to the destination.

It is stupid theology and is full of contradictions. I think the bottom line though is that it is a theology in which people never have to take responsibility for their actions because "God does it all." Thus all responsibility it put upon God and they just wait and see what happens. That way one can be "partially obedient" as they see fit and mix worldliness with their Christianity.

RECEPTION of God's grace is not unconditional.

2 Cor 6:1 "We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain."

The Corinthians CONDITIONALLY received God's grace and if they quit meeting the conditions (obeying God') then they will no longer receive God's grace.

 

[elf3]

Why not be truthful. You mean people like me who believe "faith = faithfulness" which you define as "works."

Thus when Jesus taught be a DOER of the word you are in opposition because DOING contradicts "not of works" in your mind. The truth though is that "not of works" simply means "not of works done apart from grace." In other words we cannot save ourselves apart from the grace of God which leads us to where we need to go.

Paul is very emphatic in those warning he gave. He said if you do those things you will not inherit the kingdom. You teach that you can do those things and inherit the kingdom and thus demonstrate you don't believe Paul. You don't believe the Bible, you treat it like a menu and pick and choose the little tidbits you like to believe exclusive of their context.



This is a perfect example of what I am talking about and I appreciate you bringing it up.

1Joh 1:8 is a favourite verse people use to excuse ongoing sin.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

"Oh sin we will and sin we must and if you deny it you are a liar, see the Bible proves it in 1Jn 1:8" is the cry.

Yet that verse does not exist in a vacuum. That verse has a context and the context is this...

1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

You ignore the surrounding verses and pretend they don't exist.

1Joh 1:8 is about how we initially approach God seeking to be cleansed. We have to come clean with God and confess our sin, anyone who claims to have no sin to their account is a liar and the truth cannot possibly be in them.

That verse has nothing to do with coming to God while you are still in rebellion because one cannot walk in the light as He is in the light whilst in rebellion. The rebellion has to cease. 1Joh 1:8-10 are verses about being honest with God when we repent for THEN the blood cleanses us if we are walking in the light. The same principle is found throughout the Bible...

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.



You just do not believe the Bible. You want just want to "sin less" instead of "stopping sin." That is why you twist salvation to include occasional acts of rebellion, just so long as it is not a habit. A child molester can just occasionally molest a child right? A rapist can just occasionally rape a woman right? A murdered can just occasionally murder someone right? Just so long as they don't do it every week or month? You really believe that even though Jesus focused on heart purity in the Gospel? You want to argue in favour of unrighteousness?

John wrote...

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

You don't believe what John wrote. You teach the opposite.

Would you call John a liar to his face? It is easier to just ignore what he wrote I know because he is long dead.

The children of God are manifest in they do not commit sin. It couldn't be any clearer. He who sins is of the devil.

Yet you teach we all sin, that no-one can stop. You believe in a salvation where sin is more powerful than God's ability to save you from sin. Have you ever really considered how foolish a belief that is? I mean really ever thought about it seriously? Are you really willing to stand before God at the judgement and claim that you couldn't stop sinning when Jesus taught "go and sin no more"?

Jesus warned...

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

By your own admission you claim to be a worker of iniquity because you claim you still sin. Therefore you continue to work evil yet think you are saved? Read that warning above again. Isn't it people like you it is speaking about? "Workers of iniquity" versus those who "do the will of God."

Isn't that the same thing Paul taught in Romans 2...

Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

What do you do with passages like the above when I bring them up? Does your mind just block them out? Do you purposely ignore them? Do you somehow twist them into meaning something other than what they state? I would really like to know.




So you think David could have been engaged in adultery and murder and not repented and entered the kingdom? How can you believe that with all the warnings throughout the Bible to turn from wickedness in order to be forgiven? Who do those warning apply to them? Are they written in there as jokes to be scoffed at?

So we can live like the devil and only be punished in this life but rewarded with eternal life? You are speaking like Satan. "Ye can sin and not surely die." That is what you are teaching. You are teaching that you can disobey God and not face the eternal consequences. Somehow you believe you have a license to sin with impunity.

Funny you just took one snippet of all that Dc has said (not just here but on other posts and made him say something he didn't say). Why? Because you took it out of context and only used one "passage"

 

[Skinski7]

In other words a person gets saved and is eternally secure and will go to the kingdom no matter what they do. Salvation is this positional abstraction which has nothing to do with a transformed heart and thus one can just keep on sinning.

Saved people can even rape babies and murder people and will just receive chastisement in this world instead of blessings.

This statement is true because it is an illustration via reductio as absurdum.

If one takes the false theology and logically takes it to its full meaning then it clearly teaches one can rape babies and enter the kingdom.

It teaches that a porn addict can be addicted to porn and enter the kingdom so why not a baby rapist? Why not a murderer? Why not a thief?

This is exactly why when I has asked hundreds of pastors if a child molester has to stop molesting children BEFORE GOd will forgive them they practically all respond with a NO. No the child molester does not have to stop. He can get saved IN his sins and then stop some time later on.

That is what they believe.

If that is true then salvation has NOTHING to do with a transformed heart but rather is a positional abstraction. The abstraction is premised on the legal exchange taught in Penal Substitution. It is heresy.

 

[SeaBass]

I have never said that once. If you would have actually read all my posts you just might understand but seeing how you don't or won't read all my posts you make me say something I never said!

I am not saying you said it but just asking you a question: So one who always does evil, unrighteousness and disobedient to God all their life can be saved?

 

[SeaBass]

What you fail to understand cannot even be listed as it would take another 50 pages of text, but I will list a few...

1. There is NONE good as ALL are sinners and sin EVEN after biblical salvation.
2. To break the least commandment of the LAW makes one GUILTY of the whole
3. GOOD WORKS do not save, add to salvation, keep you saved as the GOOD WORKS come from JESUS and NOT YOU
4. The question has been answered numerous times by numerous people and in context and yet you are blind to the truth, will continue to be blind to the truth and will die still believing in you COC works for salvation.
5. Galatians teaches clearly that a MAN is saved and justified by the perfect FAITH of JESUS and ANY MAN, RELIGION, GROUP that ADDS WORKS teaches a heretical, false gospel which is NOT THE SAME gospel that is being taught by PAUL and is double cursed to HELL
6. You better open your eyes as you teach a false gospel and are found under the banner of a false teacher and it will not be good for you when you take your last breath...SERIOUS.....you should take your head out of the religious SAND and open your eyes to the truth before it is too late..

ANSWER me this....

O FOOLISH GALATIANS, who hath BEWITCHED YOU (CAMPBELL) that you should not obey the truth, before whose EYES Jesus Christ that been evidently set forth , crucified among you? This only would I LEARN OF YOU. RECIEVED ye the SPIRIT by the WORKS of the LAW, or by the HEARING of FAITH? ARE YE SO FOOLISH? Having begun in the SPIRIT, are ye now made perfect (complete) by the flesh<<----Indicative of the works of the law

This is exactly what you and your cronies teach that being that you are saved and kept saved by works..IT IS HERESY and you are a FALSE TEACHER......I really suggest that you open your eyes before you die in your sins while trusting into your works...The Pharisees taught the same thing that you teach...I suggest you go see what Jesus said about them as they made men TWO FOLD the children of HELL by their false doctrine, were called BLIND and white washed coffins filed with the bones of DEAD men!

So one who always does evil, unrighteousness and disobedient to God all their life can be saved?

So you are answering this question with a "yes"?

 

[dcontroversal]

You know what seamonkey! I have actually answered EVERY question you are again bringing up either on this forum or the other forum. In fact I personally have answered them all at least twice I think. How about you take the rest of the day off from posting and read EVERYTHING in both forums. You will see I have answered them all. And that's just me. Others have done the same.

NOW STOP ASKING THE SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER!!! Go back and this time actually read!

HAHAH funny for sure....what is tragic is the fact that almost all examples that he will use have nothing at all to do with biblical salvation...Like Naaman.....nothing at all to do with salvation and he quotes scripture that has been written unto saved church members like Romans chapter 5 which has nothing to do with biblical salvation....more COC dogma for sure!

 

[Elin]

The wages of sin being death is simply IF YOU SIN YOU DIE.

An act of rebellion to God necessarily brings spiritual death instantly. One can no longer be walking with God if they sin unto death because they have turned away from God in doing so, and added to that they have corrupted themselves inwardly.

The wages of sin being death
has NOTHING to do with some debt needing to be paid. Sin is not a financial transaction.

There is no understanding in Skinski7ism of the meaning of the word "forgiveness,"
which is a financial accounting term regarding debts.

Likewise, with the exacting justice of God.

With so much ignorance of the basics, including of the OT sacrificial system,
inherent in Skinski7ism, no one should be surprised at its contra-Biblical theology.