Did God die on the cross.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Did God die on the cross

  • yes

    Votes: 12 42.9%

  • no

    Votes: 14 50.0%

  • I am not sure.

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • Total voters
    28
Status
Not open for further replies.
P

Pnyoomah

Guest
#221
#221
tryingtofindhim said:
Isn't Jesus and God the same being?
Click to expand...
No, that would just be silly to think that The Father and the Son are one and the same Being! God the Father is the Almighty Spirit Being who goes by the name YHWH. He is Eternal and the Source of ALL things. His Son was his firt creating afterwhich all other things were made through him and for him. That is whi scripture says that in the beginning the Son was with God, who is his Father! That is why God teh Father said let US make mane in OUR immage. The words us and ours cannot be misconstrued to even remotely imply that THEY are one and teh same!.......If I had to say let US design a computer, what fool woudl assume that I and you woudl be one and the same being!
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

Banned
#222
Jan 8, 2009
7,576
23
0
#222
To claim that the humanity of Jesus cannot be separated from His Divinity makes no sense.
Click to expand...
It makes as much sense as saying that you carry only the genes of your mother and not your father, or vice versa. Or a half asian half african person say they are only african and not asian, or only asian and not african. Jesus was not fully human and fully God in the same person, He is literally a mixture of human and God DNA and to say sometimes He is human and other times He is God is wrong. He's both at the same time and always both at the same time.
 
G

Graybeard

Guest
#223
#223
:D...we will argue till till the end of age, this Trinity/Oneness will never agree...till the end of age, the Deity of God is a mystery that our little human/carnal brains can just not comprehend this truth...
 
W

watchmen

Banned
#224
Apr 23, 2009
2,253
5
0
#224
Graybeard said:
:D...we will argue till till the end of age, this Trinity/Oneness will never agree...till the end of age, the Deity of God is a mystery that our little human/carnal brains can just not comprehend this truth...
Click to expand...
This argument is not about the Trinity verses Oneness. There are Trinitarians and Oneness believers on the same side of this issue. What this discussion boils down to is a very simple question....Can God die? The answer to that question is NO!!!!
 
W

watchmen

Banned
#226
Apr 23, 2009
2,253
5
0
#226
MahogonySnail said:
I thought God was all powerful and nothing was impossible for Him?
Click to expand...
God cannot lie, God cannot die, God cannot go against His own nature ect.... Lets not play word games here. we both know that God cannot die, lie, ect....
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

Banned
#227
Jan 8, 2009
7,576
23
0
#227
God cannot sin, right, but dying isn't exactly a sin, it's dying, don't you think God could die and then make himself come back to life?
 
W

watchmen

Banned
#228
Apr 23, 2009
2,253
5
0
#228
MahogonySnail said:
God cannot sin, right, but dying isn't exactly a sin, it's dying, don't you think God could die and then make himself come back to life?
Click to expand...
I didn't even say God cannot sin although He can;t, but Jesus could have, and God cannot die, but Jesus did, but Jesus is God figure that one out.
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

Banned
#229
Jan 8, 2009
7,576
23
0
#229
There are verses that say God cannot lie, are there any that say God cannot die? out of intrest.
 
W

watchmen

Banned
#230
Apr 23, 2009
2,253
5
0
#230
MahogonySnail said:
There are verses that say God cannot lie, are there any that say God cannot die? out of intrest.
Click to expand...
The phraase maybe not, however there are many verses that says He is eternal. How can an eternal being die? He can't, and didn't, and won't
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

Banned
#231
Jan 8, 2009
7,576
23
0
#231
Christ was an eternal being and He died. ?? Christ who called himself "I Am", yet also died on a cross. Go figure.
 
W

watchmen

Banned
#232
Apr 23, 2009
2,253
5
0
#232
MahogonySnail said:
Christ was an eternal being and He died. ?? Christ who called himself "I Am", yet also died on a cross. Go figure.
Click to expand...
Depends we are all technically eternal beings. It is a question of whether or not we will spend that eternity in Heaven or Hell. We are born and die but our body is not who we are our eternal souls are who we are, and it never dies. Jesus too was born and died but His eternal soul did not.
 
1

1Covenant

Guest
#233
#233
watchmen said:
The phraase maybe not, however there are many verses that says He is eternal. How can an eternal being die? He can't, and didn't, and won't
Click to expand...
God is eternal but he himself created time and has subjected himself to it.

He himself created all things. God even created death. God spoke a law and created death as the consequence or wage. It did not exist before because it is created. Now he has submitted to death by the hands of wicked men whom he also created.

If God spoke a law and had in mind the Son of God slain from the beginning then whatever the concept is in our mind that says he cannot do it - is not biblical.

Because death has reigned over us (mankind) we take our vantage point as creatures and apply it to the creator and then therefore assume that something God created is more powerful than the one who created it.
 
D

Definition_Christ

Guest
#234
#234
Revelation 1
15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters;
16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. "
18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
-----
"His voice as the sound of MANY WATERS" (Verse 15.)

Who's voice sounds like MANY WATERS?
Ezekiel 1:24
When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings.
-----
"Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last." (verse 17)

Who is the First and the Last?
Isaiah 44:6
“ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘ I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
-----
Who was DEAD and now alive forevermore?

I'll let you do the math.
 
Last edited:
1

1Covenant

Guest
#235
#235
Definition_Christ said:
Revelation 1
15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters;
16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. "
18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
-----
"His voice as the sound of MANY WATERS" (Verse 15.)

Who's voice sounds like MANY WATERS?
Ezekiel 1:24
When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings.
-----
"Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last." (verse 17)

Who is the First and the Last?
Isaiah 44:6
“ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘ I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
-----
Who was DEAD and now alive forevermore?

I'll let you do the math.
Click to expand...
Good math lesson!
 
G

Graybeard

Guest
#236
#236
I'm terrible at maths....but ya, good math lesson!
 
M

markhelp

Banned
#237
Dec 24, 2008
119
0
0
#237
God is eternal and God is Spirit..........He cannot die.
But His Son, Jesus Christ, being a man, the second Adam, did die on the cross and God raised him from the dead.
And if we believe in our hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead, and we confess Jesus as Lord, we shall absolutely be saved............Romans 10:9 and 10
 
W

watchmen

Banned
#238
Apr 23, 2009
2,253
5
0
#238
markhelp said:
God is eternal and God is Spirit..........He cannot die.
But His Son, Jesus Christ, being a man, the second Adam, did die on the cross and God raised him from the dead.
And if we believe in our hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead, and we confess Jesus as Lord, we shall absolutely be saved............Romans 10:9 and 10
Click to expand...
Now that is a good math lesson ;)
 
D

Definition_Christ

Guest
#239
#239
markhelp said:
God is eternal and God is Spirit..........He cannot die.
But His Son, Jesus Christ, being a man, the second Adam, did die on the cross and God raised him from the dead.
And if we believe in our hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead, and we confess Jesus as Lord, we shall absolutely be saved............Romans 10:9 and 10
Click to expand...
You didn't touch or even address anything I said... All you did was present a theory that Jesus is not God.. Which you would clearly have to deny the Scripture I posted and say it is not God's word. It is very logical and unarguable.

Revelation 1
15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters;
16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. "
18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
-----
"His voice as the sound of MANY WATERS" (Verse 15.)

Who's voice sounds like MANY WATERS?
Ezekiel 1:24
When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings.
-----
"Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last." (verse 17)

Who is the First and the Last?
Isaiah 44:6
“ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘ I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
-----
Who was DEAD and now alive forevermore?

I'll let you do the math.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
I

iraasuup

Guest
#240
#240
Really guys, why are we arguing over if it was God or Jesus who 'died'?

Who cares? Does it make one iota of difference to our salvation? NO!!!

I honestly do not see the point in arguing over stuff like this. Does it matter which name (ie: God, Jesus,etc) we say DIED for us?

Isn't all that matters that HE DID DIE? That He chose to do that out of love for us, and that we acknowledge it? Really?

This kind of petty stuff is kinda irrelevant to our salvation don't you think? It's like arguing over which bible translation is the greatest (or holiest, or most accurate). Honestly, do you really think I'm going to come before the gates of heaven and have the Lord say to me :

'Sorry Katie, you didn't acknowledge it was JESUS not God who died for you, and you read an NLT- I'm afraid I have to condemn you to hell'

NO...that is simply not going to happen. So why are we arguing over it? It's crazy.

That's my 2 cents worth anyway :)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.