Did God die on the cross.

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Did God die on the cross

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  • no

    Votes: 14 50.0%

  • I am not sure.

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AnRev said:
Many bibles have been changed to reflect what others want others to believe.

John 8:24 Modern King James Versions says: "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."

American Standard: "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

I believe it says that if you don't believe Jesus is the SON of God there. I don't see any mention of him being God.
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No man you don't understand what Jesus meant.. But the Jews did.. They knew Jesus was claiming to be the great "I AM" in Exodus and Isaiah.. You want o know how I know this? Because after Jesus said "I AM" in John 8:58 the Jews picked up stones to try and kill him.

John 10:33..The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

You see.. The Jews knew Jesus was making Himself equal with God.. They understood exactly what Jesus was saying..Do you?
 
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watchmen said:
D_C, and AnRev you two are getting off topic. Jesus to answer your question about Hebrews 1 Jesus was God and the Father was His God, because Jesus had a dual nature, not because there are two gods nor because there are more than one person in the Godhead. However as far as this topic is concerned no God did not die.
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Wow wow, what? Jesus was God? .. The Father was God??

Yeah and I agree with you as Christians we really shouldn't be debating about Jesus being God or not.. I think it's obvious and taught in Scripture Jesus is God.
 
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Don't waste your time explaining Satanic beliefs to me. I have knowledge that goes beyond what you could understand at this time. And don't anticipate that because I do not think like you do that I AM unaware of the full content and meaning behind the Trinity. Why do you think I AM against it? Perhaps I know the reason for it's existence and you do not.
 
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Originally Posted by 1Covenant

Let me point out what started all this. As a Trinitarian I believe that the second person of the trinity (the Divine Eternal Word) was made flesh and died on the cross. As a Trinitarian, believing in a Triune God, it is perfectly acceptable to say that God died on the cross even though we believe it to be properly the second person of the Triune God (the DIVINE Incarnate Word) which died as the other persons of the Trinity did not.
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watchmen said:
This is polytheism is a way that most trinitarians would not prescribe to. The way you explain it only 1/3 of God died, not the other 2/3 of the Godhead. Jesus was fully God not 1/3 God if His divinity died then the whole of God would have died with Him as Colossians 2:9 says...The fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Christ bodily, not just a portion ''the 2nd person of the Trinity'' as you refer to it.
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For you (1covenant) to claim that God the son died but not the Father or the Holy Spirit is to separate God into 3 separate beings. However that is not the trinitarian belief, they believe God is one being in 3 persons. 1/3 of a being cannot die while the other 2/3 do not. So if God is one being then how could only 1/3 of Him die, and for that matter how could only 1/3 of Him become human in the first place?

D_C or any other trinitarian are free to answer the last question ''how could only 1/3 of God become human?'', The first question about 1/3 of God dying is mainly for 1covenant.
 
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Definition_Christ

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Watchmen..
Isaiah 48:12
“ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘ I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.

Psalm 90:2
Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.

The Father IS eternal.. The Son is eternal.. And the Holy Spirit is eternal..
 
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Definition_Christ said:
Wow wow, what? Jesus was God? .. The Father was God??

Yeah and I agree with you as Christians we really shouldn't be debating about Jesus being God or not.. I think it's obvious and taught in Scripture Jesus is God.
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Yes Jesus was God regardless of what AnRev or anyone else thinks. Further more as Jesus states in John 17:3 and Paul again in 1st Corinthians 8:6 The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD. That means that if Jesus was God He was God the Father or not God at all.


But once again this is off topic.
 
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AnRev

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watchmen I AM not off the topic here. Did God die on the cross? No, Jesus, his son did, God was in heaven when Jesus died and not hanging on a cross.

If you won't stand up for Jesus, then I guess I will have too, and the million others like me who normally don't waste their time trying to teach those who don't understand something to simple.
 
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watchmen

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Definition_Christ said:
Watchmen..
Isaiah 48:12
“ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘ I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.

Psalm 90:2
Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.

The Father IS eternal.. The Son is eternal.. And the Holy Spirit is eternal..
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Isaiah 48:12 if proof that there was no one beside God the Father, The Holy Spirit is simply the Spirit of the Father, and the Son did not exist until the incarnation.
 
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Definition_Christ

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AnRev.. You don't believe Jesus is God.. I mean who are you relying on to save you? A man?.. I am relying on the Creator of heaven and Earth to save me.. He died on the Cross for all of us in our place.
 
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watchmen

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watchmen I AM not off the topic here. Did God die on the cross? No, Jesus, his son did, God was in heaven when Jesus died and not hanging on a cross.

If you won't stand up for Jesus, then I guess I will have too, and the million others like me who normally don't waste their time trying to teach those who don't understand something to simple.
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This thread is about whether or not God died on the cross not whether or not Jesus was God or not. If you want to debate the deity of Christ, start you own thread and we will have a debate.
 
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watchmen said:
Isaiah 48:12 if proof that there was no one beside God the Father, The Holy Spirit is simply the Spirit of the Father, and the Son did not exist until the incarnation.
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Fair enough Watchmen but if the Holy Spirit is simply the Spirit of the Father than you are agreeing that there is another person who is God? Because Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit personally like "He will guide you into all truth" etc etc.. So do you believe that the Holy Spirit is just an active force or an actual Person?
 
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1Covenant said:
I can't believe you are going to take a poll to ask people if God died for their sins.
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It's very shameful the moderator lets posts like this go on. This is suppouse to be a forum to stand for Christ not make pity little debates about his divinity.
 
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Definition_Christ said:
Fair enough Watchmen but if the Holy Spirit is simply the Spirit of the Father than you are agreeing that there is another person who is God? Because Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit personally like "He will guide you into all truth" etc etc.. So do you believe that the Holy Spirit is just an active force or an actual Person?
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Not at all unless you are claiming your spirit is a different person than yourself? If not , then why would you think God's Spirit is a different person than Himself?
 
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watchmen

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It's very shameful the moderator lets posts like this go on. This is suppouse to be a forum to stand for Christ not make pity little debates about his divinity.
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Actually the only person questioning the deity of Christ is AnRev. However the question did God die, when Jesus died on the Cross? Yes or no, What is your take CIR?
 
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Well first of all I wouldn't ever compare my spirit to God's Spirit. But I can see your point and I think you saw mine before when I was mentioning how Jesus was speaking of the Holy Spirit personally..

John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come

I mean you can clearly see here.. Jesus speaking about the Holy Spirit.. Saying "He will guide you into all truth" I mean that is an action of a Person not just an active force.. "He will....He hears... He will speak.... He will tell you things to come...." You see my point right? (not trying to start another debate but I am just sharing my view of the Holy Spirit and why I believe that He's the third Person of the Trinity and not just some active force.. Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as a HE and not an IT.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you(The Holy Spirit). Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ(the SAME Spirit), he is not His.
 
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watchmen You posed the question, I answered it. GOD did not die on the cross. He was on his throne in heaven at the time. Jesus later joined him at hid throne as was shown to John:

"He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne." Rev 3:21

"Straightway I was in the Spirit: and behold, there was a throne set in heaven, and one sitting upon the throne; and he that sat [was] to look upon like a jasper stone and a sardius: and [there was] a rainbow round about the throne, like an emerald to look upon." Rev 4:2-3

Jesus was not Jasper, he was human flesh and bone when he went to heaven.

"And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth." Rev 5:6

Jesus was not sitting on the throne because he is not God.

"But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and saith unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."

Jesus cannot sit in power because he is not God.

To answer the question on this blog: Did God die on the cross? The answer is no, he was in heaven at the time.
 
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Definition_Christ said:
Well first of all I wouldn't ever compare my spirit to God's Spirit. But I can see your point and I think you saw mine before when I was mentioning how Jesus was speaking of the Holy Spirit personally..

John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come

I mean you can clearly see here.. Jesus speaking about the Holy Spirit.. Saying "He will guide you into all truth" I mean that is an action of a Person not just an active force.. "He will....He hears... He will speak.... He will tell you things to come...." You see my point right? (not trying to start another debate but I am just sharing my view of the Holy Spirit and why I believe that He's the third Person of the Trinity.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you(The Holy Spirit). Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ(the SAME Spirit), he is not His.
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The scripture you give in Romans 8:9 says The Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit of Christ are all one and the same, not three separate persons. Romans 9:8 is in line with the Oneness belief, not trinitarian.
 
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Okay well.. What about everything else I said like Jesus referring to the Holy Spirit as a person?
 
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watchmen You posed the question, I answered it. GOD did not die on the cross. He was on his throne in heaven at the time. Jesus later joined him at hid throne as was shown to John:

"He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne." Rev 3:21

"Straightway I was in the Spirit: and behold, there was a throne set in heaven, and one sitting upon the throne; and he that sat [was] to look upon like a jasper stone and a sardius: and [there was] a rainbow round about the throne, like an emerald to look upon." Rev 4:2-3

Jesus was not Jasper, he was human flesh and bone when he went to heaven.

"And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth." Rev 5:6

Jesus was not sitting on the throne because he is not God.

"But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and saith unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."

Jesus cannot sit in power because he is not God.

To answer the question on this blog: Did God die on the cross? The answer is no, he was in heaven at the time.
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All I see is blah, blah, blah, blah, Jesus is not God. Like I said start a thread if you want to debate the deity of Christ.
 
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