Did God die on the cross.
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hello my brother,God is the father,and he is in heaven ,when jesus was in heaven ,GOD asked ,who shall He send to go and die for the sins of the world,Jesus answered saying father here i am send me,God is the father and the son can represent his father,that is why Jesus said to his disciples in the bible that anyone who see him has seen the father ,because his father sent him.so jesus volunteerly came to die for us not the father.jesus did not sin when he was on earth,but he said that no one is righteous except God who is in heaven.that doesn't mean that he is a sinner,but he did so that the people would not say that he is claiming righteousness.
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One more quote that does nothing to prove anything but simply answers your own request for proof of creeds and orthodoxy. Here is a quote from Calvin about the atoning sacrifice of Christ in relation to the Apostles Creed where it states that He descended into Hell, which has nothing to do with his fleshly life but rather his union with man as an atoning sacrifice.
"If Christ had died only a bodily death, it would have been ineffectual. No - it was expedient at the same time for Him to undergo the severity of God's vengeance to appease His wrath and satisfy His Just judgement. For this reason he must also grapple hand to hand with the armies of Hell and the dread of everlasting death....The point is that the creed sets forth what Christ suffered in the sight of men and then appositely (relevantly) speaks of that invisible and incomprehensible judgement which he underwent in the sight of God in order that we might know not only that Christ's body was given as the price of our redemption, but that he paid a greater and more excellent price in suffering in His soul the terrible torments of a condemned and foresaken man."
Finally, I think it is important to distinguish that God as the second person of the Trinity in the Flesh did not die as other men die. We die because of frailty and weakness. Christ's on the other hand willingly submits to death (the curse and wage of sin). In fact as He (Very God of Very God as the Creed states) hangs on the Cross he has already submitted to the curse of hanging on a tree, for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.”
"If Christ had died only a bodily death, it would have been ineffectual. No - it was expedient at the same time for Him to undergo the severity of God's vengeance to appease His wrath and satisfy His Just judgement. For this reason he must also grapple hand to hand with the armies of Hell and the dread of everlasting death....The point is that the creed sets forth what Christ suffered in the sight of men and then appositely (relevantly) speaks of that invisible and incomprehensible judgement which he underwent in the sight of God in order that we might know not only that Christ's body was given as the price of our redemption, but that he paid a greater and more excellent price in suffering in His soul the terrible torments of a condemned and foresaken man."
Finally, I think it is important to distinguish that God as the second person of the Trinity in the Flesh did not die as other men die. We die because of frailty and weakness. Christ's on the other hand willingly submits to death (the curse and wage of sin). In fact as He (Very God of Very God as the Creed states) hangs on the Cross he has already submitted to the curse of hanging on a tree, for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.”
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God in His natural state is spirit. He is immortal, eternal, and invisible. HOWEVER, In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. The Word BECAME flesh. He did not merely put on flesh; he BECAME flesh. Paul even refers to Jesus as the mediator between God and men, himself Man. It was not a temporary situation. He ascended bodily and will return in like manner. We will be like him when he comes.
Jesus is God. Jesus died on the cross. Therefore God died.
Remember scripture states that the body without the spirit is dead. Resurrection is the return of the spirit of a person to his body.
Jesus is God. Jesus died on the cross. Therefore God died.
Remember scripture states that the body without the spirit is dead. Resurrection is the return of the spirit of a person to his body.
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I think the fruit of your faith is on display. I'll let you decide whether it reflects well.
BTW, I was quite clear that the post was concerning creeds and orthodoxy not a church father in my first sentence. It was Calvin's commentary on the apostles creed which for orthodox reason which many protestant agree with the conclusions of calvin, I thought I would post. For you to imply the slander borders bearing false witness.
BTW, I was quite clear that the post was concerning creeds and orthodoxy not a church father in my first sentence. It was Calvin's commentary on the apostles creed which for orthodox reason which many protestant agree with the conclusions of calvin, I thought I would post. For you to imply the slander borders bearing false witness.
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In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God right? I was taught that The Word is Jesus. Jesus is God. God is God.
so I answered yes to your poll.
Jesus Christ/ God most definitely died for my sins.
Correct me If Im wrong. Still learning ...
our Father in heaven didn't die, His Son Did.
I think the question/ poll is too vague for my taste,
and is just breeding confusion.
so I answered yes to your poll.
Jesus Christ/ God most definitely died for my sins.
Correct me If Im wrong. Still learning ...
our Father in heaven didn't die, His Son Did.
I think the question/ poll is too vague for my taste,
and is just breeding confusion.
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Just FYI.
[FONT="]The poll was made because I was making a distinction of theology. That oneness theology cannot believe in the fact that God died on the cross and trinitarian theology can say that (even though we believe specifically it was the divine incarnate Word, the second person of the Trinity that died on the cross).
What has been esposued thus far that I disagree with, seems to be similar to Nestorianism, which is basically the doctrine that Jesus existed as two persons, the man Jesus and the divine Son of God, rather than as a unified person. The motivation for this view was an aversion to the idea that "God" suffered and died on the cross, be it the divinity itself, the Trinity, or one of the persons of the Trinity. Thus, they would say, Jesus the perfect man suffered and died, not the divine second person of the Trinity, for such is an impossible thought -- hence the inference that two "persons" essentially inhabited the one body of Jesus. This was developed in the 400s and seems to have made its way into modalistic theology (or oneness).
I make no claim what someone actually believes or their salvation, but this is an explanation of why we are here.
Historically, Biblically, and admittedly according to my theology, I can say Jesus is God and He in union with the flesh suffered on the cross, died and was buried and rose again from the dead.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The poll was made because I was making a distinction of theology. That oneness theology cannot believe in the fact that God died on the cross and trinitarian theology can say that (even though we believe specifically it was the divine incarnate Word, the second person of the Trinity that died on the cross).
What has been esposued thus far that I disagree with, seems to be similar to Nestorianism, which is basically the doctrine that Jesus existed as two persons, the man Jesus and the divine Son of God, rather than as a unified person. The motivation for this view was an aversion to the idea that "God" suffered and died on the cross, be it the divinity itself, the Trinity, or one of the persons of the Trinity. Thus, they would say, Jesus the perfect man suffered and died, not the divine second person of the Trinity, for such is an impossible thought -- hence the inference that two "persons" essentially inhabited the one body of Jesus. This was developed in the 400s and seems to have made its way into modalistic theology (or oneness).
I make no claim what someone actually believes or their salvation, but this is an explanation of why we are here.
Historically, Biblically, and admittedly according to my theology, I can say Jesus is God and He in union with the flesh suffered on the cross, died and was buried and rose again from the dead.[/FONT]
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