Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?

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Whispered

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#81
You where answering lovinglee's question




You answered Yes..

[QUOTE
Whispers answer:::
]Yes. The Book of 1st John chapter 2
If Jesus took the punishment if Everyone's sins then NOBODY would ever be cast into the eternal lake of fire and face eternal punishment there.. But the Bible makes it clear that people shall be cast into the eternal lake of fire to face PUNISHMENT for their sins..

So people who believe Jesus will disagree with your answer of Yes and believe in the following scripture from the mouth of Jesus Himself that makes it Clear some will enter into everlasting punishment..

Matthew 25: KJV
41"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: {42} For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: {43} I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. {44} Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? {45} Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. {46} And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

So yeah i put a big fat red X response to your post and rightfully so..[/QUOTE] You are quite correct that I was answering LL's question. And in the course of your remarks you did not disagree with me, by your own posts, after you "disagreed" with the X .

You are either not aware of what you are saying, or someone else is borrowing your account and you don't follow up to see what they posted.. Because there is no "rightfully so" in your current post quoted above. Not if you wish to be perceived as current and aware of what your name appears on here in this thread in replies attributed to your account. After you claimed after you disagreed with me per the X toward my post#6, you said you have no disagreement with my reference to the Book of 1st John chapter 2.

Maybe you should go back to page one and read forward to see what you've done.


LeeLoving said:
Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?

I said in post #6: Yes. The Book of 1st John chapter 2

Then I asked you in my post#15 @ Adstar , how do you disagree with 1st. John? 🙁


And you replied in your post#39 I do not disagree with 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John is saying that His Atonement ( propitation ) is for all nations tribes peoples.. It is not just for jews or greeks but for sinners from every race of people.. In context with the entirety of that rest of the scriptures that is the way it is to be understood..
 

Lightskin

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#82
Tell me how you understand romans 5:12-19 then

How did sin enter the world, according to Paul?
Person A murders person B on the other side of the planet. You have nothing to do with it. Does that make you a murderer? No, it doesn’t.
 

Guojing

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#83
Person A murders person B on the other side of the planet. You have nothing to do with it. Does that make you a murderer? No, it doesn’t.
But that person A is not your representative before God. That is the difference between Adam and him.

Are you saying you disagree with what Paul was saying in Romans 5:12-13? Would you like to address those 2 verses?
 

Adstar

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If Jesus took the punishment if Everyone's sins then NOBODY would ever be cast into the eternal lake of fire and face eternal punishment there.. But the Bible makes it clear that people shall be cast into the eternal lake of fire to face PUNISHMENT for their sins..

So people who believe Jesus will disagree with your answer of Yes and believe in the following scripture from the mouth of Jesus Himself that makes it Clear some will enter into everlasting punishment..

Matthew 25: KJV
41"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: {42} For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: {43} I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. {44} Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? {45} Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. {46} And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

So yeah i put a big fat red X response to your post and rightfully so..
You are quite correct that I was answering LL's question. And in the course of your remarks you did not disagree with me, by your own posts, after you "disagreed" with the X .

You are either not aware of what you are saying, or someone else is borrowing your account and you don't follow up to see what they posted.. Because there is no "rightfully so" in your current post quoted above. Not if you wish to be perceived as current and aware of what your name appears on here in this thread in replies attributed to your account. After you claimed after you disagreed with me per the X toward my post#6, you said you have no disagreement with my reference to the Book of 1st John chapter 2.

Maybe you should go back to page one and read forward to see what you've done.


LeeLoving said:
Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?

I said in post #6: Yes. The Book of 1st John chapter 2

Then I asked you in my post#15 @ Adstar , how do you disagree with 1st. John? 🙁


And you replied in your post#39 I do not disagree with 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John is saying that His Atonement ( propitation ) is for all nations tribes peoples.. It is not just for jews or greeks but for sinners from every race of people.. In context with the entirety of that rest of the scriptures that is the way it is to be understood..[/QUOTE]

My reply:::

I have no idea what point you are making here.. No idea at all.. I can see nothing wrong with my replies to your posts at all..
 

Lightskin

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#85
Are you saying you disagree with what Paul was saying in Romans 5:12-13? Would you like to address those 2 verses?
Imagine that, a profound, unwavering believer in Jesus Christ who has questions and even two or three doubts about some aspects of the Bible. Oh the inhumanity!
 

Guojing

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#86
Imagine that, a profound, unwavering believer in Jesus Christ who has questions and even two or three doubts about some aspects of the Bible. Oh the inhumanity!
You are talking about yourself I supposed? Okay, at least you are willing to state that you disagree with what Paul is saying.
 

Lightskin

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You are talking about yourself I supposed? Okay, at least you are willing to state that you disagree with what Paul is saying.
I have no shame with regards to sharing the deepest sentiments of my heart. My standing with God is not compromised because I have difficulty fully embracing a certain aspect of His Word. I believe Jesus is the Messiah, and I proclaim Him as my Lord and Savior. Everything else is an insignificant second.
 
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And whole world means just that, not the “whole world of the elect.”

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The Lord hath made all things for his own sake: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
 
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The Lord hath made all things for his own sake: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
 

Whispered

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#90
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I have no idea what point you are making here.. No idea at all.. I can see nothing wrong with my replies to your posts at all..
How about if I keep my reply here simple and simply paste my last reply to you that somehow got all twisted around.

LeeLoving said:
Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?

I said in post #6: Yes. The Book of 1st John chapter 2 (this is the post you hit the "disagree" button on)

Then I asked you in my post#15 @ Adstar , how do you disagree with 1st. John? 🙁


And you replied in your post#39 I underlined the first part so you could see your contradiction now to what is above this: I do not disagree with 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John is saying that His Atonement ( propitation ) is for all nations tribes peoples.. It is not just for jews or greeks but for sinners from every race of people.. In context with the entirety of that rest of the scriptures that is the way it is to be understood..
 
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How about if I keep my reply here simple and simply paste my last reply to you that somehow got all twisted around.

LeeLoving said:
Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?

I said in post #6: Yes. The Book of 1st John chapter 2 (this is the post you hit the "disagree" button on)

Then I asked you in my post#15 @ Adstar , how do you disagree with 1st. John? 🙁


And you replied in your post#39 I underlined the first part so you could see your contradiction now to what is above this: I do not disagree with 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John is saying that His Atonement ( propitation ) is for all nations tribes peoples.. It is not just for jews or greeks but for sinners from every race of people.. In context with the entirety of that rest of the scriptures that is the way it is to be understood..

If you take context and make it pretext you can make the word of God fit what you want to. But if you read hebrews from chapter 5 you will see that Paul is addressing the falseness in the churches, the ones being elected to run the church and all the believers that act like they do now on television. for in chapter 6 verse 9 he says plainly that he don't expect the falsness from them, but that they do things concerning salvation. Not ritualistic over dramatized congregation pretending to believe and have the spirit. It's abundant in churches today.
 

Guojing

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#92
I have no shame with regards to sharing the deepest sentiments of my heart. My standing with God is not compromised because I have difficulty fully embracing a certain aspect of His Word. I believe Jesus is the Messiah, and I proclaim Him as my Lord and Savior. Everything else is an insignificant second.
Well, as what Romans 5:12-19 beautifully put, if you have difficulty understanding that your sin came from Adam's disobedience and not yours, you will likewise have difficulty understanding that your righteousness comes from Jesus's obedience and not yours.
 

Whispered

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#93
If you take context and make it pretext you can make the word of God fit what you want to. But if you read hebrews from chapter 5 you will see that Paul is addressing the falseness in the churches, the ones being elected to run the church and all the believers that act like they do now on television. for in chapter 6 verse 9 he says plainly that he don't expect the falsness from them, but that they do things concerning salvation. Not ritualistic over dramatized congregation pretending to believe and have the spirit. It's abundant in churches today.
I'm not going to go further with this. Your disagreement and then saying you do not disagree make for a very strange exchange. One that doesn't seem to be something you're able to explain.
 

Adstar

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How about if I keep my reply here simple and simply paste my last reply to you that somehow got all twisted around.

LeeLoving said:
Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?

I said in post #6: Yes. The Book of 1st John chapter 2 (this is the post you hit the "disagree" button on)

Then I asked you in my post#15 @ Adstar , how do you disagree with 1st. John? 🙁


And you replied in your post#39 I underlined the first part so you could see your contradiction now to what is above this: I do not disagree with 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John is saying that His Atonement ( propitation ) is for all nations tribes peoples.. It is not just for jews or greeks but for sinners from every race of people.. In context with the entirety of that rest of the scriptures that is the way it is to be understood..
Yeah and there is nothing wrong with what i said.. No contradition at all.. Point out the contradiction or cease posting the accusation that there is a contradiction.. I already made it absolutly clear that i agreed with 1st John chapter 2 Why on earth do i have to repeat what i have already said before???
 

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Yeah and there is nothing wrong with what i said.. No contradition at all.. Point out the contradiction or cease posting the accusation that there is a contradiction.. I already made it absolutly clear that i agreed with 1st John chapter 2 Why on earth do i have to repeat what i have already said before???
Why on earth would you disagree with 1st John chapter 2 being posted and then later claim you agree ? No contradiction at all?
You have my deepest sympathies.
 
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Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?
A better question would be...
Did Jesus die to take the punishment for the sins of all those
who are going to be cast into the lake of fire?

I would have to humbly guess....NO
 

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#98
Wasn't that the gospel? , To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Luke 23:43
The thing is, Jesus said that to the thief after the he asked Jesus to remember him when He came into His kingdom. Gospel means 'good news' so yes, in that sense it was the gospel as it was good news for the thief.
 

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Why on earth would you disagree with 1st John chapter 2 being posted and then later claim you agree ? No contradiction at all?
You have my deepest sympathies.
Are you for real?????

I NEVER disagreed with 1st John chapter 2..

I disagreed with your YES answer you typed in BEFORE you then typed in the Bible quote from 1st John chapter 2....

Is there anyone out there who upon reading the post in question does not see what my reply was saying?? Anyone??