Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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The only time you make a comment is to put forth your tradition.

Here it is in your own words "Gods Law that He puts in the mind and heart" Is this what you teach?
Good Morning DeighAnn,

Not sure if you were speaking to me or not. When you wish to give a response to a particular person note the Box around their post and then note the word REPLY in the lower right corner of that box. When you click on it it should bring up a dialog box for you to type in a reply that will be posted with their post above and yours below showing who exactly you are replying to.

Hope that helps. :)
 

DeighAnn

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Scripture is full of guidance for us. And as Paul cited:

2Ti 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Instruction in Righteousness! Don't let anyone shame you into avoiding "Instruction in Righteousness"!

I thank God that those who harp on righteousness like it is some form of sin for anyone who desires it, have not dissuaded your love for it. A love of righteousness is a love for God! Exodus and Deuteronomy are full of Gods Laws. After reading Jesus's words, admonitions etc you will find Him in Exodus and Deuteronomy too![/QUOTE]
I wish I could write like you, and maybe someday.

I don't mind THEM feeling that way, throw it out, get rid of it, that is their choice and they will stand before God giving an account of what they deemed no longer relevant and what they deemed relevant. I just cant stand them "teaching" that way. How many "newly" come to the Lord souls, having never read it decide they are never going open the OT because it doesn't apply to them anyway? Do they sell "just the New Testament"? They are being robbed right before our very eyes.

How do you justify throwing out just the first 5 books considered "law". How do you build upon something that you have stripped of its foundation?
Rev 15 written to the very host of Heaven

Revelation 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Revelation 15:3 And they sing "THE SONG OF MOSES" the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Song of Moses?? Deuteronomy 32?? Uh-oh.

Revelation 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
Revelation 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Revelation 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
 

DeighAnn

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Good Morning DeighAnn,

Not sure if you were speaking to me or not. When you wish to give a response to a particular person note the Box around their post and then note the word REPLY in the lower right corner of that box. When you click on it it should bring up a dialog box for you to type in a reply that will be posted with their post above and yours below showing who exactly you are replying to.

Hope that helps. :)
I go to the box I want to reply to, but there must be a step I am missing because it doesn't always go to the right person. I always look for the Quote. I think when there are two in the same box I have the problem. I will try
 
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I go to the box I want to reply to, but there must be a step I am missing because it doesn't always go to the right person. I always look for the Quote. I think when there are two in the same box I have the problem. I will try
You did it just right on this one. :) I read your long reply before this one. Well written! What's more is the heart you wrote it from. Truly, a heart that desires God's Glory and honors His will is a lovely heart in deed!
 

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Good Morning DeighAnn,

I heard you! And smiled :)

So many on here have given themselves the job of discouraging those who "Hunger and thirst after righteousness" I see it and feel it and recognize the beauty of Gods Laws, and if a person such as yourself sees The Heavenly Fathers hand and face in those words then I can only encourage you to "be there"! As you said so well; Jesus was there in them and I want to be there too.

I know that the Holy Spirit informs us in all matters, but I also know that He starts with the written word. Take leaders for example, when we read the written laws of their qualifications we then recognize the important details:

Deu 1:13 KJV Take you wise men, and understanding, and known among your tribes, and I will make them rulers over you.

Exo 18:21 KJV Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:

These things are written in Gods Laws. Can you see any reason not to know them? Can you see any reason the adversary would benefit from our ignorance of them?

Scripture is full of guidance for us. And as Paul cited:

2Ti 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Instruction in Righteousness! Don't let anyone shame you into avoiding "Instruction in Righteousness"!

I thank God that those who harp on righteousness like it is some form of sin for anyone who desires it, have not dissuaded your love for it. A love of righteousness is a love for God! Exodus and Deuteronomy are full of Gods Laws. After reading Jesus's words, admonitions etc you will find Him in Exodus and Deuteronomy too!
You have completely misrepresented the position of those who disagree with you. Instead of spreading slander, take some time to understand the position that others hold.
 
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I'm not a law-keeper, but I still haven't found a single piece of evidence -- in the Gospels -- that Jesus ever told us to stop keeping the Law. Should we rely solely on what Paul said?
You answer is in the Book of Acts :) In one regard until the Greeks came to the Temple asking to see Him he was primarily talking to Jews not gentiles. Kind of a hint there :)
 

Grandpa

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The only time you make a comment is to put forth your tradition.

Here it is in your own words "Gods Law that He puts in the mind and heart" Is this what you teach?
My tradition? I posted scripture and asked you logical questions. Easy questions that anyone should be able to answer.

Kind of weird that you didn't answer them.
 

DeighAnn

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My tradition? I posted scripture and asked you logical questions. Easy questions that anyone should be able to answer.

Kind of weird that you didn't answer them.
Do unto others
 

Grandpa

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If you had nothing in respects to the Scripture given that is what you should of posted. Please Prove the post wrong text by text. Your post is nothing more than a personal attack. It does not address the text and the facts shared. The fact that 3 people here gave you a positive affirmations for a unwarranted personal attack is quit telling. You posted.


So once again in respects to Romans 10:4 Why rip that text out of the context it was written?
Start in 9:30 to let say verse 8 in chapter 10.

What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (word) down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (word) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 9:30-10:8 KJV)

!0:6-8 is a paraphrase of the words spoken in prophecy to Israel and now again to Israel and throughout the whole world.

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
(Deu 30:6 KJV)
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
(Deu 30:10-14 KJV)

The Word, God's commandments and statutes in the the heart and mouth through Christ is the Faith in which we preach Paul said. Israel did not have this faith. The majority refused it and were only trying to follow the letter of the law and not allowing it in the heart.

For Christ (the word, the law in the heart, mind and mouth) is the end of the law (written on tebles of stone and parchment) for righteousness to every one that believeth.
That's why I wrote this;

Its important to understand concepts. But you don't understand them. Because of your insistence in working at the law. You try to twist everything back to working at the law.

Why is it important to understand that Christ is the end of the law for Righteousness to everyone who believes?

Certain judaizers and legalists believe that it is their work at the law that makes them believers. But I have shown that the opposite is the case. Their work at the law shows they do not believe.


You didn't answer the question. You just cried about taking a scripture out of context. The only reason you cried about that is because it is a direct contradiction of all the silliness you try and put forth. Without all the rest of the scripture surrounding it you can't put your special spin and twist on it.

If you don't understand that Christ is the end of the law for Righteousness then how could you possibly understand the difference between the Law of Moses and the word that is nigh thee, even in thy mouth and in thy heart that you may do it?

The answer is you can't. All you can do is try to twist them into the same thing. Just like all the rest of the legalists and judaizers.
 

Grandpa

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Scripture is full of guidance for us. And as Paul cited:

2Ti 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Instruction in Righteousness! Don't let anyone shame you into avoiding "Instruction in Righteousness"!

I thank God that those who harp on righteousness like it is some form of sin for anyone who desires it, have not dissuaded your love for it. A love of righteousness is a love for God! Exodus and Deuteronomy are full of Gods Laws. After reading Jesus's words, admonitions etc you will find Him in Exodus and Deuteronomy too!
I wish I could write like you, and maybe someday.

I don't mind THEM feeling that way, throw it out, get rid of it, that is their choice and they will stand before God giving an account of what they deemed no longer relevant and what they deemed relevant. I just cant stand them "teaching" that way. How many "newly" come to the Lord souls, having never read it decide they are never going open the OT because it doesn't apply to them anyway? Do they sell "just the New Testament"? They are being robbed right before our very eyes.

How do you justify throwing out just the first 5 books considered "law". How do you build upon something that you have stripped of its foundation?
Rev 15 written to the very host of Heaven

Revelation 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Revelation 15:3 And they sing "THE SONG OF MOSES" the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Song of Moses?? Deuteronomy 32?? Uh-oh.

Revelation 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
Revelation 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Revelation 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Interesting. Those that studied the bible their whole lives and lived the law to the letter decided to crucify the One who said these Words.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


Why are the 10 commandments called the ministry of death and condemnation? Is it the whole reason there is even a New Testament to begin with?

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Its funny that you people harp on righteousness but if righteousness comes by the law then Christ is dead for no reason.

Have you thought about that at all? If you are so concerned about righteousness and righteousness cannot come from the law if you are Christian then where does it come from?

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


The whole reason why Christians aren't under the law anymore is BECAUSE they are concerned with Righteousness. We know we can't get it by our work and understanding of the law. The Lord gives us rest from our work at the law when we TRULY become concerned with Righteousness and not just a lip service towards it and a blind following of all the blind guides before you.
 
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Good Morning DeighAnn,

I heard you! And smiled :)

So many on here have given themselves the job of discouraging those who "Hunger and thirst after righteousness" I see it and feel it and recognize the beauty of Gods Laws, and if a person such as yourself sees The Heavenly Fathers hand and face in those words then I can only encourage you to "be there"! As you said so well; Jesus was there in them and I want to be there too.

I know that the Holy Spirit informs us in all matters, but I also know that He starts with the written word. Take leaders for example, when we read the written laws of their qualifications we then recognize the important details:

Deu 1:13 KJV Take you wise men, and understanding, and known among your tribes, and I will make them rulers over you.

Exo 18:21 KJV Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:

These things are written in Gods Laws. Can you see any reason not to know them? Can you see any reason the adversary would benefit from our ignorance of them?

Scripture is full of guidance for us. And as Paul cited:

2Ti 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Instruction in Righteousness! Don't let anyone shame you into avoiding "Instruction in Righteousness"!

I thank God that those who harp on righteousness like it is some form of sin for anyone who desires it, have not dissuaded your love for it. A love of righteousness is a love for God! Exodus and Deuteronomy are full of Gods Laws. After reading Jesus's words, admonitions etc you will find Him in Exodus and Deuteronomy too!
How do you hunger and thirst for righteousness? What gives you the power. WHat instriction did Jesus give which he said if we do. We will obey his commands? How is one saved?

Why do you dismiss logical questions? Are you afraid?
 
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You have completely misrepresented the position of those who disagree with you. Instead of spreading slander, take some time to understand the position that others hold.

Guys, you are not listening at all. :( this is exactly how you come across whether it is what you are trying to say or not you are giving off a militant spirit the second someone has anything good to say about Gods righteous commands.

I am honestly timid to quote Jesus for example:

Mat 5:6 KJV Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

because I don't want to hear a negative slant on His words.
 
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The only time you make a comment is to put forth your tradition.

Here it is in your own words "Gods Law that He puts in the mind and heart" Is this what you teach?
This person has a snide remark for everyone, whaty is wrong with these people that they can not respond in a like manner. She uses a response that can just as quickly and logically be said about her one belief system.

I feel sorry for these people.
 
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You have completely misrepresented the position of those who disagree with you. Instead of spreading slander, take some time to understand the position that others hold.
That seems to be the norm here lately. If you can not answer them, slander them, Make them look bad, so it does not make you look bad (since you can not answer the question, or you KNOW answering it will put you in a bad light)
 
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My tradition? I posted scripture and asked you logical questions. Easy questions that anyone should be able to answer.

Kind of weird that you didn't answer them.
Be careful, If you keep pushing she will just ignore you..

We can pray maybe God can use you brother. Keep going!!
 
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Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Interesting. Those that studied the bible their whole lives and lived the law to the letter decided to crucify the One who said these Words.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


Why are the 10 commandments called the ministry of death and condemnation? Is it the whole reason there is even a New Testament to begin with?

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Its funny that you people harp on righteousness but if righteousness comes by the law then Christ is dead for no reason.

Have you thought about that at all? If you are so concerned about righteousness and righteousness cannot come from the law if you are Christian then where does it come from?

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


The whole reason why Christians aren't under the law anymore is BECAUSE they are concerned with Righteousness. We know we can't get it by our work and understanding of the law. The Lord gives us rest from our work at the law when we TRULY become concerned with Righteousness and not just a lip service towards it and a blind following of all the blind guides before you.
Amen, We obey out of Love, Because God loves us first.
 
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This person has a snide remark for everyone, whaty is wrong with these people that they can not respond in a like manner. She uses a response that can just as quickly and logically be said about her one belief system.

I feel sorry for these people.
Come on EG, are you saying none of your remarks have any snide undertones? What is wrong that it always has to be harsh and like I said seemingly militant? We can all do better....
 
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Guys, you are not listening at all. :( this is exactly how you come across whether it is what you are trying to say or not you are giving off a militant spirit the second someone has anything good to say about Gods righteous commands.

I am honestly timid to quote Jesus for example:

Mat 5:6 KJV Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

because I don't want to hear a negative slant on His words.
You are like so many others.

It has nothign to do with you having anything good to say about the law. This remark is old and out of touch with what is really going on.

It is about what the bible says about the law. And how one is saved.

And why you and those like you can not answer simple questions. Instead just mock and belittle those who disagree with you.
 
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Come on EG, are you saying none of your remarks have any snide undertones? What is wrong that it always has to be harsh and like I said seemingly militant? We can all do better....
Yes we can

You can start by answering simple logical questions I have asked of you since we first met, and the many questions others have politely asked you


I did nto come at you with any snide remark. I asked you a question. Yet you still blame shift and refuse to respond. And are now not only slandering people but mocking them.