Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004
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how a Bible discussion should be-
person A - " do you believe in the Virgin Birth ? "
person B-" yes, I do. it is a very important part of the Christian faith".
peterjens version of this-
person A-" do you believe in the Virgin Birth? "
peterjens-"dear reader, if you do not believe in the Virgin Birth, then you cannot follow Christ, and you can't participate in my holy, pure, blameless walk with him and.................."
person A - " do you believe in the Virgin Birth ? "
person B-" yes, I do. it is a very important part of the Christian faith".
peterjens version of this-
person A-" do you believe in the Virgin Birth? "
peterjens-"dear reader, if you do not believe in the Virgin Birth, then you cannot follow Christ, and you can't participate in my holy, pure, blameless walk with him and.................."
And what happens to the branch that was a part of the vine, but stopped abiding in Him?
John 15:[SUP]6[/SUP]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Luke 12:[SUP]40 [/SUP]Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?[SUP]42 [/SUP]And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?[SUP]43 [/SUP]Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.[SUP]44 [/SUP]Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.[SUP]45 [/SUP]But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;[SUP]46 [/SUP]The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.[SUP]47 [/SUP]And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.[SUP]48 [/SUP]But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.[SUP]49[/SUP]I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
The casting forth of the branch from the vine and the fire being sent on the earth gives further context to John 15:6 BUT it also continues in Luke 12:47-49 on those cast off are still His servants as they are receiving stripes.
Now... they are still of His House but as vessels unto dishonor which shows not an actual casting off of those that Father has given Him to keep, but a chastening and a scourging by the Father so that they may be partakers of His holiness.
Hebrews 12:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:[SUP]6 [/SUP]For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.[SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?[SUP]8 [/SUP]But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?[SUP]10 [/SUP]For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
That is what the pre trib rapture is for; separating the vessels unto honor received at the Marriage Supper to casting off the vessels unto dishonor to be received later on in His House for they have His seal and that foundation is not going away.
Abiding in Him as His disciples is what running the race is all about as we do this by faith in Jesus Christ as we are looking to the author & finisher of our faith in laying aside every weight & sin in finishing His work in us to His crowning glory in us.
Now if believers think they are running that race for salvation; then they do so by laboring in unbelief. We can only run that race as saved believers as the prize of our upward calling in Christ is the eternal glory that comes with our salvation as being that vessel unto honor in His House where we will cast our crowns at His feet as they are His crowning achievements in us for our confidence in following Him is ONLY by faith in Jesus Christ being our Good Shepherd.
It is because He is their Good Shepherd, that Jesus will finish His work in those left behind. It will take a scourging from the Father as He is giving them unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit may be saved in the day of Christ Jesus as Jesus is our faithful Creator Who is able to keep the souls of His saints that gets left behind.
John 15:[SUP]6[/SUP]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Luke 12:[SUP]40 [/SUP]Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?[SUP]42 [/SUP]And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?[SUP]43 [/SUP]Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.[SUP]44 [/SUP]Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.[SUP]45 [/SUP]But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;[SUP]46 [/SUP]The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.[SUP]47 [/SUP]And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.[SUP]48 [/SUP]But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.[SUP]49[/SUP]I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
The casting forth of the branch from the vine and the fire being sent on the earth gives further context to John 15:6 BUT it also continues in Luke 12:47-49 on those cast off are still His servants as they are receiving stripes.
Now... they are still of His House but as vessels unto dishonor which shows not an actual casting off of those that Father has given Him to keep, but a chastening and a scourging by the Father so that they may be partakers of His holiness.
Hebrews 12:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:[SUP]6 [/SUP]For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.[SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?[SUP]8 [/SUP]But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?[SUP]10 [/SUP]For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
That is what the pre trib rapture is for; separating the vessels unto honor received at the Marriage Supper to casting off the vessels unto dishonor to be received later on in His House for they have His seal and that foundation is not going away.
Abiding in Him as His disciples is what running the race is all about as we do this by faith in Jesus Christ as we are looking to the author & finisher of our faith in laying aside every weight & sin in finishing His work in us to His crowning glory in us.
Now if believers think they are running that race for salvation; then they do so by laboring in unbelief. We can only run that race as saved believers as the prize of our upward calling in Christ is the eternal glory that comes with our salvation as being that vessel unto honor in His House where we will cast our crowns at His feet as they are His crowning achievements in us for our confidence in following Him is ONLY by faith in Jesus Christ being our Good Shepherd.
It is because He is their Good Shepherd, that Jesus will finish His work in those left behind. It will take a scourging from the Father as He is giving them unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit may be saved in the day of Christ Jesus as Jesus is our faithful Creator Who is able to keep the souls of His saints that gets left behind.
M
An "anni-a-what" -- lol? For me, too many letters in that word. You're not familiar with the biblical concept - "the second death"?
Rev 2:11, Rev 20:6, 14, Rev. 21:8
Only the "saved" are immortal and thus experience eternal life. The lost experience eternal death.
So you DON'T believe someone can lose their salvation? Then what were you debating with the OSAS crowd here?
Uh....that was a homework assignment for the OSAS'ers...not for you. (?) My point being...these guys are extremely fuzzy on who is or isn't a believer TO BEGIN WITH. They seem to think anyone who has darkened the door of a church and has mentioned the word "Jesus" a couple of times...is saved, saved, saved.
Meanwhile, Jesus is clear, that not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" and invokes Jesus' name is saved.
But we're losing sight of my original point for you: Someone is either immortal or they aren't. If you have eternal life...you have eternal life. If we would try to claim of someone that they "had" eternal life and then lost it...then they never had eternal life to begin with. You can't "lose" your salvation"...otherwise you weren't saved to begin with.
Rev 2:11, Rev 20:6, 14, Rev. 21:8
Only the "saved" are immortal and thus experience eternal life. The lost experience eternal death.
So you DON'T believe someone can lose their salvation? Then what were you debating with the OSAS crowd here?
Uh....that was a homework assignment for the OSAS'ers...not for you. (?) My point being...these guys are extremely fuzzy on who is or isn't a believer TO BEGIN WITH. They seem to think anyone who has darkened the door of a church and has mentioned the word "Jesus" a couple of times...is saved, saved, saved.
Meanwhile, Jesus is clear, that not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" and invokes Jesus' name is saved.
But we're losing sight of my original point for you: Someone is either immortal or they aren't. If you have eternal life...you have eternal life. If we would try to claim of someone that they "had" eternal life and then lost it...then they never had eternal life to begin with. You can't "lose" your salvation"...otherwise you weren't saved to begin with.
Sad testimony. A young man gets very enthusiastic for Christ. In an intense situation gets
involved with a girl, they get married. Role on ten years later.
Same man meets a christian married woman. Falls in love. Realises massive conflicts between
who he really is and his choices from his past. Has a nervous breakdown, divorces wife.
Later hooks up with woman who he fell in love with and gets married.
He says to himself the first marriage does not count because he should have never been
married in the first place.
Another elder needs emotional support, gets it from their assistant at work. Falls in love,
has an affair, tries to hide it, ends up unrepentant, divorced, remarried.
These are emotional stories of failure, lack of facing frustration and sticking with faithfulness.
This is the tradged being played out is 50% of the families is our culture.
It is a crisis of putting internal turmoil onto the shoulders of others and not being honest and
working things through with the Lord.
One guy I know worked through 3 wives, finishing with an affair.
This creates a broken group of people who have faith of sorts but not a home.
gb9 response suggests to me, this is probably the motivation of the most ardent
supporters here.
Our sins do not define our gospel, it is the gospel that defines our life and behaviour.
And my friends I am not defining anything God is. I am just a follower of my Lord.
And yes I could of had affairs, run off with lots of different people, but I know who
I am and the Lord I follow. If you meet the wrecks of sinners who hold no boundaries
you know why you do not go this way.
involved with a girl, they get married. Role on ten years later.
Same man meets a christian married woman. Falls in love. Realises massive conflicts between
who he really is and his choices from his past. Has a nervous breakdown, divorces wife.
Later hooks up with woman who he fell in love with and gets married.
He says to himself the first marriage does not count because he should have never been
married in the first place.
Another elder needs emotional support, gets it from their assistant at work. Falls in love,
has an affair, tries to hide it, ends up unrepentant, divorced, remarried.
These are emotional stories of failure, lack of facing frustration and sticking with faithfulness.
This is the tradged being played out is 50% of the families is our culture.
It is a crisis of putting internal turmoil onto the shoulders of others and not being honest and
working things through with the Lord.
One guy I know worked through 3 wives, finishing with an affair.
This creates a broken group of people who have faith of sorts but not a home.
gb9 response suggests to me, this is probably the motivation of the most ardent
supporters here.
Our sins do not define our gospel, it is the gospel that defines our life and behaviour.
And my friends I am not defining anything God is. I am just a follower of my Lord.
And yes I could of had affairs, run off with lots of different people, but I know who
I am and the Lord I follow. If you meet the wrecks of sinners who hold no boundaries
you know why you do not go this way.
Hi MattTooFor
I wasn't clear in my response to you. Sorry.
THE SECOND DEATH
I'm familiar with mainline biblical concepts except for the Millinium and end times. My eyes glaze over and I just can't!
By immortal I mean that a person lives forever whether they go to heaven or away from God. They are still alive.
Some people believe that you either go to heaven or you cease to exist. Annihilation.
Some people believe that you either go to heaven or you go to hell, but it only lasts a few seconds and then you "die" forever.
It sounded to me like you might be talking of choice 2. I believe we agree. I believe that a person lives forever. Either in heaven or in hell, (the second death).
OSAS
No. I DO NOT believe in eternal salvation, or OSAS. I worded my reply very badly.
I believe a person CAN lose their salvation if they abandon God. (not by sinning).
FUZZY JUDGING
Yeah. They have to judge in a fuzzy way! First it's not the job of anyone to judge anyone's soul. We could only judge actions.
The OSAS side Always says one was not really saved when they fall away. They have to - otherwise they'd have to agree that salvation could be lost!
Thanks for allowing me to clarify.
Fran
I wasn't clear in my response to you. Sorry.
THE SECOND DEATH
I'm familiar with mainline biblical concepts except for the Millinium and end times. My eyes glaze over and I just can't!
By immortal I mean that a person lives forever whether they go to heaven or away from God. They are still alive.
Some people believe that you either go to heaven or you cease to exist. Annihilation.
Some people believe that you either go to heaven or you go to hell, but it only lasts a few seconds and then you "die" forever.
It sounded to me like you might be talking of choice 2. I believe we agree. I believe that a person lives forever. Either in heaven or in hell, (the second death).
OSAS
No. I DO NOT believe in eternal salvation, or OSAS. I worded my reply very badly.
I believe a person CAN lose their salvation if they abandon God. (not by sinning).
FUZZY JUDGING
Yeah. They have to judge in a fuzzy way! First it's not the job of anyone to judge anyone's soul. We could only judge actions.
The OSAS side Always says one was not really saved when they fall away. They have to - otherwise they'd have to agree that salvation could be lost!
Thanks for allowing me to clarify.
Fran
These are not true OSAS. In some ways I am very close to this.
These guys are into to not believe like them is unbelief, an unforgivable sin.
A lot of their distortions are hidden is double word meanings, and some on
purpose will agree with something, not because they agree with it how you mean
it, but with their meaning it is ok.
It creates great confusion and leads to weird conversations when you pray for someone
is now an insult. Or to be falsely accused of something, like lying and slander, means
you are evil. But as I get to know them, they are all deeply disturbed church goers
with some shocking event that changed them. And no matter what you say they will
claim what we are sharing is sending people to hell.
Now if one had truly come to Christ and their position, I would say there is some
legitimacy, but it is all long term believers who are jaded.
These guys are into to not believe like them is unbelief, an unforgivable sin.
A lot of their distortions are hidden is double word meanings, and some on
purpose will agree with something, not because they agree with it how you mean
it, but with their meaning it is ok.
It creates great confusion and leads to weird conversations when you pray for someone
is now an insult. Or to be falsely accused of something, like lying and slander, means
you are evil. But as I get to know them, they are all deeply disturbed church goers
with some shocking event that changed them. And no matter what you say they will
claim what we are sharing is sending people to hell.
Now if one had truly come to Christ and their position, I would say there is some
legitimacy, but it is all long term believers who are jaded.
I believe in OSAS, ... here is why...
John 6:[SUP]39 [/SUP]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
So what is His will on how we are saved?
John 6:[SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
But I also believe that those saved believers living in sin and those that err from the truth and have fallen away from the faith are still saved, but at risk of being left behind at the pre tribulational rapture as vessels unto dishonor in His House.
His disciples seek the good of other believers by teaching others of Him and all His promises to us so they can rest in Him as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him just as they are to continually rest in Him as Savior that they are saved for simply believing in Him.
But not every saved believer seeks to follow Jesus Christ by trusting Him as their Good Shepherd to abide in Him as His disciples. That is why Jesus is warning believers to prepare and to be ready by faith in Him in running that race in laying aside every weight & sin so they do not lose the eternal glory that comes with our salvation of being that vessel unto honor in His House.
John 6:[SUP]39 [/SUP]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
So what is His will on how we are saved?
John 6:[SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
But I also believe that those saved believers living in sin and those that err from the truth and have fallen away from the faith are still saved, but at risk of being left behind at the pre tribulational rapture as vessels unto dishonor in His House.
His disciples seek the good of other believers by teaching others of Him and all His promises to us so they can rest in Him as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him just as they are to continually rest in Him as Savior that they are saved for simply believing in Him.
But not every saved believer seeks to follow Jesus Christ by trusting Him as their Good Shepherd to abide in Him as His disciples. That is why Jesus is warning believers to prepare and to be ready by faith in Him in running that race in laying aside every weight & sin so they do not lose the eternal glory that comes with our salvation of being that vessel unto honor in His House.
Hi Grace,
I'm listening to the video you posted.
I'm about a few minutes in and already there's a problem.
You keep insisting on going to the Greek and it sounds like you know what you're talking about.
As you know, I'm very much against this and I do insist and one of the reasons is the following:
The speaker is referring to
Hebrews 3:18-19
Hebrews 5:8-9
Hebrews 3:18 uses the word "disobedient" in the NASB
3:19 " " "unbelief" "
YLT uses the word unblief for both 18 and 19. as does the KJV.
Strong's uses different words, 18 is apeitheo
19 is apistia
NOW we'd have to know the difference between these two word!
I did the same for Hebrews 5:8-9 and the same applies. Two different words are used in the Greek.
THIS IS MY POINT.
We DO NOT have to know Greek to understand the New Testament.
The sojourners in the desert in the Sinai were unbelievers. Let's agree on that.
They also disobeyed, but put that aside for now.
But WHAT was the unbelief?
If you start at Hebrews 3:1 you read that Jesus is better than Moses because Moses is the builder but Jesus is the buiding.
Moses was getting the work ready, but Jesus is the Son of the House.
Read Hebrews 3:6
"If we HOLD FAST our confidence and teh boast of our hope FIRM UNTIL THE END." NASB
It goes on to say not to harden our hearts if TODAY you hear His voice.
They tried God and Always went astray in their HEARTS and God became angry with them.
Hebrews 3:12
"Take care brethren, lest there should be in any one of you an evil, UNBELIEVING HEART, in FALLING AWAY from the living God." NASB
Is it not clear that "Paul" is speaking to Christians and warning them not to have an unbelieving heart and not to FALL AWAY from the living God?
You believe ........... You are saved.
You don't believe.... You are not saved.
NO MATTER WHEN THE UNBELIEVING OCCURS.
The bible NEVER states that if you believe ONE TIME, you are saved forever.
I don't care to listen to a person speaking and putting things into my head. I have my bible close-by and I check everything.
Acts 17:11
OR
Let's do this...
Tell me one theologian who believed in OSAS BEFORE John Calvin.
Fran
I'm listening to the video you posted.
I'm about a few minutes in and already there's a problem.
You keep insisting on going to the Greek and it sounds like you know what you're talking about.
As you know, I'm very much against this and I do insist and one of the reasons is the following:
The speaker is referring to
Hebrews 3:18-19
Hebrews 5:8-9
Hebrews 3:18 uses the word "disobedient" in the NASB
3:19 " " "unbelief" "
YLT uses the word unblief for both 18 and 19. as does the KJV.
Strong's uses different words, 18 is apeitheo
19 is apistia
NOW we'd have to know the difference between these two word!
I did the same for Hebrews 5:8-9 and the same applies. Two different words are used in the Greek.
THIS IS MY POINT.
We DO NOT have to know Greek to understand the New Testament.
The sojourners in the desert in the Sinai were unbelievers. Let's agree on that.
They also disobeyed, but put that aside for now.
But WHAT was the unbelief?
If you start at Hebrews 3:1 you read that Jesus is better than Moses because Moses is the builder but Jesus is the buiding.
Moses was getting the work ready, but Jesus is the Son of the House.
Read Hebrews 3:6
"If we HOLD FAST our confidence and teh boast of our hope FIRM UNTIL THE END." NASB
It goes on to say not to harden our hearts if TODAY you hear His voice.
They tried God and Always went astray in their HEARTS and God became angry with them.
Hebrews 3:12
"Take care brethren, lest there should be in any one of you an evil, UNBELIEVING HEART, in FALLING AWAY from the living God." NASB
Is it not clear that "Paul" is speaking to Christians and warning them not to have an unbelieving heart and not to FALL AWAY from the living God?
You believe ........... You are saved.
You don't believe.... You are not saved.
NO MATTER WHEN THE UNBELIEVING OCCURS.
The bible NEVER states that if you believe ONE TIME, you are saved forever.
I don't care to listen to a person speaking and putting things into my head. I have my bible close-by and I check everything.
Acts 17:11
OR
Let's do this...
Tell me one theologian who believed in OSAS BEFORE John Calvin.
Fran
Hi Grace,
Is it OK if I comment as I go along with the video?
I really see why you are believing in eternal security.
Oddly enough, people come to Jesus for different reasons. Some may actually
serve Him out of fear of hell, as the speaker used to do as a little boy.
This is unfortunate but true. And these will also end up in heaven.
One does not have to equate the keeping of the LAW with loss of salvation,
and Grace with eternal salvation.
One has nothing to do with the other.
You can believe in loss of salvation AND believe in God's Grace. That would be me. I'm not a legalistic person, but it seems really clear to me that the bible does teach that one has to adhere to their belief to be saved in the end.
Even Hebrews 3:18 says this. Those who did not believe, did not enter.
Fran
Is it OK if I comment as I go along with the video?
I really see why you are believing in eternal security.
Oddly enough, people come to Jesus for different reasons. Some may actually
serve Him out of fear of hell, as the speaker used to do as a little boy.
This is unfortunate but true. And these will also end up in heaven.
One does not have to equate the keeping of the LAW with loss of salvation,
and Grace with eternal salvation.
One has nothing to do with the other.
You can believe in loss of salvation AND believe in God's Grace. That would be me. I'm not a legalistic person, but it seems really clear to me that the bible does teach that one has to adhere to their belief to be saved in the end.
Even Hebrews 3:18 says this. Those who did not believe, did not enter.
Fran
For Grace:
Now he's talking about John 6.
He uses a scripture many use to show that no works are necessary - which is a Whole different topic.
John 6:29
verse 28: "What shall we do that we may work the works o God?" NASB
verse 29: "This is the work of God, that you BELIEVE in Him whom He sent." NASB
Yes. But you know your Greek. What does BELIEVE mean in Greek??
Fran
Now he's talking about John 6.
He uses a scripture many use to show that no works are necessary - which is a Whole different topic.
John 6:29
verse 28: "What shall we do that we may work the works o God?" NASB
verse 29: "This is the work of God, that you BELIEVE in Him whom He sent." NASB
Yes. But you know your Greek. What does BELIEVE mean in Greek??
Fran
Hard to lose salvation.... I would say if you have eaten the bread and dank the wine of a King. Nothing else compares, so you will never be satisfied and always strive to be allowed to partake of that bread and wine however. I did also supply's scripture earlier saying how one cannot abide in God and Sin. In this world, is it truly easy? When the road to distraction is wide and easy. Yet the road to salvation is narrow and rocky? When our thoughts themselves can be sinful, is it really easy? I tell you this, if Peter who walked with Christ and knew Christ said, why do I do the things I hate? Sin... how easy is it? I find it a struggle every day. Perfection is to be continuously in prayer and in God. All have striv d and come short of the Glory of God. My pruning taught me. It is only when I am co oletely engufled in seeking and prayer to I find it easier to resist temptation. To say I is easy is to entise being sifted.
He's mentioning how Christianity is not a feeling. This is a typical sermon idea.
Christianity is a KNOWING not a feeling. We shouldn't try to get high on the Holy Spirit all the time.
He's also speaking of Life, here, as YOU understand it and as it indeed is. Jesus does give us true life. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. What is the truth? We know the wiles of satan. We know what he's trying to do. We worship and serve the Lord, thus freeing us from the slavery of sin. If we know Jesus, we are free indeed. Only those who serve God are truly free.
The speaker (whom I like, BTW), is also referring to 2 Co 5:17
OF COURSE, IF any man is IN CHRIST, he is a new creation.
As long as he REMAINS IN CHRIST.
Are we a new creation if we are OUT OF CHRIST?
De we still have the Lord's lfe in us, if we don't even want Him around?
Cont'g
Fran
Christianity is a KNOWING not a feeling. We shouldn't try to get high on the Holy Spirit all the time.
He's also speaking of Life, here, as YOU understand it and as it indeed is. Jesus does give us true life. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. What is the truth? We know the wiles of satan. We know what he's trying to do. We worship and serve the Lord, thus freeing us from the slavery of sin. If we know Jesus, we are free indeed. Only those who serve God are truly free.
The speaker (whom I like, BTW), is also referring to 2 Co 5:17
OF COURSE, IF any man is IN CHRIST, he is a new creation.
As long as he REMAINS IN CHRIST.
Are we a new creation if we are OUT OF CHRIST?
De we still have the Lord's lfe in us, if we don't even want Him around?
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Fran
Did Moses enter into the promised land? He was one of them that displayed unbelief when he hit the rock twice. IS Moses in hell now? Why is that everything you read means people go to hell? Which is exactly what you are saying if you would be honest.
There is only 2 places - with the Lord or not with Him.
Those not entering into the promised land in your mind go to hell if we extrapolated that to mean we don't go to be with the Lord. We believe with the heart.
Fran you are totally wasting your time to try to get me to believe that Jesus is a liar. He said that He would never leave nor forsake us. He said that the Holy Spirit will be with us forever.
Those that believe that we lose salvation as in being un-joined with the Lord have not understood the "why" of the gospel yet. It violates the very gospel and the love and grace of God. I have told you that people can get sick in their minds but their heart where we believe is recreated in righteousness and holiness which cannot be destroyed.
There is only 2 places - with the Lord or not with Him.
Those not entering into the promised land in your mind go to hell if we extrapolated that to mean we don't go to be with the Lord. We believe with the heart.
Fran you are totally wasting your time to try to get me to believe that Jesus is a liar. He said that He would never leave nor forsake us. He said that the Holy Spirit will be with us forever.
Those that believe that we lose salvation as in being un-joined with the Lord have not understood the "why" of the gospel yet. It violates the very gospel and the love and grace of God. I have told you that people can get sick in their minds but their heart where we believe is recreated in righteousness and holiness which cannot be destroyed.
How in the world do you get out of Christ? How do you un-born yourself? Can you un-born yourself as a human being? - even if you used your mind to "will" it?
How do you make the Holy Spirit leave you even though Jesus Himself said that he would be with us and in us forever?
This foolish talk about God leaving us or us "losing belief" is complete nonsense and is a ploy of the enemy to get us away from focusing on Christ.
It is an anti-Christ - anti- gospel doctrine that has done more harm to the body of Christ than any other false gospel. It violates the very "why" of the gospel in the first place.
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The video is saying in conclusion, you can do what you like, because it is lawful
but you will pay for it in this world, and salvation or security in Christ is unaffected.
How can you get to this? Change the word obey, to mean believe, and evil doers
to unbelievers or unbelief.
So the bible gets rewritten. And faith is not about behaviour just being in Christ.
Sin is irrelevant, it has consequencies are for everyone but no eternal ones for you.
The slander is we obey christ to earn heaven, not we obey Christ because love is
in our hearts. And we do not sin, because it denies the love we dwell with.
but you will pay for it in this world, and salvation or security in Christ is unaffected.
How can you get to this? Change the word obey, to mean believe, and evil doers
to unbelievers or unbelief.
So the bible gets rewritten. And faith is not about behaviour just being in Christ.
Sin is irrelevant, it has consequencies are for everyone but no eternal ones for you.
The slander is we obey christ to earn heaven, not we obey Christ because love is
in our hearts. And we do not sin, because it denies the love we dwell with.
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