Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004
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Absolutely....David as well....After murder and Bathsheba....he said he would see the child again.........those who say they can lose it......
a. Will deny they have ever lost it
b. Will argue they always do right and are now sinless
It cannot be lost, but if it could...Hebrews states clearly it cannot be regained...so.......hell will be full and heaven empty!
a. Will deny they have ever lost it
b. Will argue they always do right and are now sinless
It cannot be lost, but if it could...Hebrews states clearly it cannot be regained...so.......hell will be full and heaven empty!
1My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. 2For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes, 3and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, “You sit here in a good place,” and you say to the poor man, “You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool,” 4have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives? 5Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? 6But you have dishonored the poor man. Is it not the rich who oppress you and personally drag you into court? 7Do they not blaspheme the fair name by which you have been called? 8If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law, according to the Scripture, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF,” you are doing well. 9But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11For He who said, “DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,” also said, “DO NOT COMMIT MURDER.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak and so act, as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. 13For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment.Faith and Works 14What use is it, my brethren, if a man says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? 17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. 18But someone may well say, “You have faith, and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; 23and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS,” and he was called the friend of God. 24You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone. 25And in the same way was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works, when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
I believe in eternal security. I believe the problem is that we are looking from this end, so to speak, instead of from God'a perspective. I don't believe that we are saved by doing great works, enough works, etc. But I do believe that we must work. We work because we are offered the free gift of salvation. I think that we are too quick to decide that someone has been saved through their faith - then we they return to their evil ways we feel obligated to explain how they are saved anyway or how it is that they were never saved. In the scripture above James clearly says that the demons believe, but most of us would not try to make a case for demons being saved. We do not know the hearts of men.
I believe in eternal security because I believe that we are saved because God says that we are saved and not because we say that we are saved. I know that sounds a little Calvinist, but I most certainly am not Calvinist. I believe that God knows everything that was going to happen from before He said, "Let there be Light" beyond the time when He closes our little physical existence; therefore predestined. Many people think that God's knowing removes their choice, but it does not - He just knows what we are going to do. I don't believe that He makes everything happen the way that He wants it to happen, but I do believe that He interjects whenever He desires. I believe that He can lead me to do something, He can have a large fish swallow me and "persuade" me to do it, or He can leave me to my wicked ways. I believe that God is sovereign, but that in His sovereignty, He gives us free will (unless of course, He decides to directly interject).
I do not know much about "Calvinism", but I know even less about Arminianism. I suspect that I am neither...
I just read five points on Arminiansim on Wikipedia and it seems that I would lean Arminian. However, I will decline, at this time, from labeling myself as such.
Oh, I almost forgot. I don't believe that you flip back and forth from "being saved" to "not being saved". But I suppose that was fairly clear from my remarks above.
I believe in eternal security. I believe the problem is that we are looking from this end, so to speak, instead of from God'a perspective. I don't believe that we are saved by doing great works, enough works, etc. But I do believe that we must work. We work because we are offered the free gift of salvation. I think that we are too quick to decide that someone has been saved through their faith - then we they return to their evil ways we feel obligated to explain how they are saved anyway or how it is that they were never saved. In the scripture above James clearly says that the demons believe, but most of us would not try to make a case for demons being saved. We do not know the hearts of men.
I believe in eternal security because I believe that we are saved because God says that we are saved and not because we say that we are saved. I know that sounds a little Calvinist, but I most certainly am not Calvinist. I believe that God knows everything that was going to happen from before He said, "Let there be Light" beyond the time when He closes our little physical existence; therefore predestined. Many people think that God's knowing removes their choice, but it does not - He just knows what we are going to do. I don't believe that He makes everything happen the way that He wants it to happen, but I do believe that He interjects whenever He desires. I believe that He can lead me to do something, He can have a large fish swallow me and "persuade" me to do it, or He can leave me to my wicked ways. I believe that God is sovereign, but that in His sovereignty, He gives us free will (unless of course, He decides to directly interject).
I do not know much about "Calvinism", but I know even less about Arminianism. I suspect that I am neither...
I just read five points on Arminiansim on Wikipedia and it seems that I would lean Arminian. However, I will decline, at this time, from labeling myself as such.
Oh, I almost forgot. I don't believe that you flip back and forth from "being saved" to "not being saved". But I suppose that was fairly clear from my remarks above.
No, I fully expect some twist so as to make your fallacy seem legit.....end of story....either you teach you can lose it or it is eternal.....and if one can lose it, it cannot be gained back (Hebrews states it is impossible) so I can rightfully assume that you have never lost it, because if you have your toast......
at the end of the day ALL who say it can be lost are missing the mark, lying or deceived......deductive reasoning and the truth point to the truth of what I have said...... so let us list the possibilities of those who say it can be lost...
a. You never lost salvation and never will because YOU always, 100% of the time do right and never sin (sin brings death)
b. You can lose it never applies to you, only those who believe in eternal security
c. You lost it because you can never 100% of the time do right and never sin (see a above)
d. If you lost it due to failure and sin it cannot be regained ever as it is IMPOSSIBLE (see Hebrews)
So which is it with you?
OR.......Salvation is ETERNAL because....
a. It is based upon the FAITH and WORK of JESUS who NEVER FAILS
b. The righteousness of CHRIST has been applied by faith and BLOOD to all who exercise genuine faith
c. JESUS continually mediates for ALL who believe
d. We are saved, justified, sanctified and sealed in Christ by faith
e. ALL my sin has been laid to the charge of JESUS
f. Whatsoever GOD does it is EVERLASTING (see Ecclesiastes 3:14)
g. Eternal and Everlasting as APPLIED to LIFE means exactly that
h. He that began a good work will COMPLETE it
I. I will NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU
J. ETC
I will pass on the fallacy of one being able to LOSE salvation and will embrace the truth over religious rigmarole and ignorance!
at the end of the day ALL who say it can be lost are missing the mark, lying or deceived......deductive reasoning and the truth point to the truth of what I have said...... so let us list the possibilities of those who say it can be lost...
a. You never lost salvation and never will because YOU always, 100% of the time do right and never sin (sin brings death)
b. You can lose it never applies to you, only those who believe in eternal security
c. You lost it because you can never 100% of the time do right and never sin (see a above)
d. If you lost it due to failure and sin it cannot be regained ever as it is IMPOSSIBLE (see Hebrews)
So which is it with you?
OR.......Salvation is ETERNAL because....
a. It is based upon the FAITH and WORK of JESUS who NEVER FAILS
b. The righteousness of CHRIST has been applied by faith and BLOOD to all who exercise genuine faith
c. JESUS continually mediates for ALL who believe
d. We are saved, justified, sanctified and sealed in Christ by faith
e. ALL my sin has been laid to the charge of JESUS
f. Whatsoever GOD does it is EVERLASTING (see Ecclesiastes 3:14)
g. Eternal and Everlasting as APPLIED to LIFE means exactly that
h. He that began a good work will COMPLETE it
I. I will NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU
J. ETC
I will pass on the fallacy of one being able to LOSE salvation and will embrace the truth over religious rigmarole and ignorance!
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Well that certainly offended your sense of righteousness. Our righteousness is but filthy rags before God. Only the righteousness of Christ is sufficient.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Everlasting life is ever lasting.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Everlasting life is ever lasting.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I think the right question here is, does anyone who believes, own or possess everlasting life? To believe in Jesus is to trust Him> It takes a no minute to believe into. If one really believes what Christ said, then he will possess everlasting life. If one does not believe the saying of Christ, he therefore really didn’t believe yet. This stops him of believing to what Christ said.
What if someone stops believing in Him, no doubt that even in Jesus day, these were actually who does not believe on Him in the first place but does the murmuring.
God bless
What if someone stops believing in Him, no doubt that even in Jesus day, these were actually who does not believe on Him in the first place but does the murmuring.
God bless
Oh.
I didn't?
Its my understanding that eternal security would last a really, really long time.
In order for that security to be shortened it would have to be something other than what lasts for a really, really long time.
Like temporary security. Or fleeting security. Or wishy washy security. Maybe you have it, maybe you don't.
We have temporary security as long as we are believing. If we stop believing then our temporary security stops. But maybe we can get our temporary security back if we start believing again? But it would obviously only be temporary for as long as we kept believing. Otherwise... Is this what is referred to as a house built on the sand? Maybe it will be ok, maybe not...
I didn't?
Its my understanding that eternal security would last a really, really long time.
In order for that security to be shortened it would have to be something other than what lasts for a really, really long time.
Like temporary security. Or fleeting security. Or wishy washy security. Maybe you have it, maybe you don't.
We have temporary security as long as we are believing. If we stop believing then our temporary security stops. But maybe we can get our temporary security back if we start believing again? But it would obviously only be temporary for as long as we kept believing. Otherwise... Is this what is referred to as a house built on the sand? Maybe it will be ok, maybe not...
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Salvation does not ultimately rest upon our faithfulness, but upon the faithfulness of Christ. Why? Because He cannot deny Himself. The Christians assurance is rooted not in ourselves and some misconceived notion that we keep ourselves saved, but rather, it is firmly rooted in the unchanging character of God Himself.
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