Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004

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The scriptures and testimony of Paul imply otherwise......Keep rigorously arguing in favour of the flesh the devil loves it..I can see by being evolved for a couple days that holiness is despised by many here.......some of you are very belligerent, false accusers, immature, and tattle tales, and some how they keep from getting banned...I have to ask myself why is that? I was warned afore not to cast perils before swine lest they trample them underfoot..............
you have 38 posts. and you just did the very thing you just judged others of doing.

Not a good start..

ps.. Arguing from the flesh.. The flesh wants there to be NO security in Christ, Because the flesh wants to take credit, and work hard to save itself. It rejects any notion that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in the FINISHED work of Christ. The flesh has to believe that eternal ife is not eternal but conditional. That salvation CAN be lost. That salvation is only given to the "good" people (although it reject the fact that there are no good people. And not given to the sinner (although they too are sinners)

 
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How many times do people have to be told things are not true before they will actually start believing them.
In all these points of dispensation, all believers are dispensationalists to a degree.

We are in the dispensation of the Spirit. We are under the law of Christ, not the
law of Moses.
From Pentecost the baptism of the Holy Spirit became a reality. A new communion,
a new revelation, where the Spirit taught the apostles what they had heard and what
it meant. Until the Spirit came it was all a mess, ideas that did not quite fit together.

Evangelical thought has been too intellectual and not open hearted and emotional enough.
In its extreme form it does become pure legalism, which is why pilgrims progress caused such
a problem from all sides of the church because no side has it all.

Pure mysticism ends with quakers who rely on the mystical experience to define their spirituality,
all the way to the foundational reformed positions.


.. The flesh wants there to be NO security in Christ, Because the flesh wants to take credit, and work hard to save itself. It rejects any notion that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in the FINISHED work of Christ.
Pride always wants to claim to have achieved something.
Once you see the cross, there is infinite security in Christ.
One can have pride in knowing the King.

Now the only way you find security in the cross is by understanding Gods determination
to die for us, and compare that with our best efforts with anybody. In Christ my hope is
found.

And you do not break someones pride by attacking them, but be showing them Christs
victory and power through the believers life.

So this war of bashing pride is pointless, because it just generates antagonism.
The cross is the healing of the nations and our hearts, through following His humble and
servant ways to know the wisdom of God. I am worthy only of judgement, but through
Christ I am redeemed, washed, pure and holy, Amen.

Everyone makes judgements or observations of others positions. To hold a position is
to reject others. It is not wrong to make judgements, but it is wrong to condemn works
of God in peoples lives.

What people often are reflecting is their emotional antagonism with one group, and openness
to another. This became very obvious when "spiritual gifted" christians celebrated talking to
the pope, when this was obviously a contradiction of theological and spiritual positions, but
the whole leadership were supporting it, as if this made sense. You can tell when a group is
more about loyalty than truth when such things are followed.
 
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you have 38 posts. and you just did the very thing you just judged others of doing.

Not a good start..

ps.. Arguing from the flesh.. The flesh wants there to be NO security in Christ, Because the flesh wants to take credit, and work hard to save itself. It rejects any notion that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in the FINISHED work of Christ. The flesh has to believe that eternal ife is not eternal but conditional. That salvation CAN be lost. That salvation is only given to the "good" people (although it reject the fact that there are no good people. And not given to the sinner (although they too are sinners)

Hi EG

You sooooo misunderstand the position of those who understand that salvation is contingent on continuing belief in our Savior and is not a one-time occurrance that continues NO MATTER WHAT.

But I hate to get into this again...
 
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Hi EG

You sooooo misunderstand the position of those who understand that salvation is contingent on continuing belief in our Savior and is not a one-time occurrance that continues NO MATTER WHAT.

But I hate to get into this again...
No, I do not misunderstand that position. I disagree with it.. Huge difference.
 
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No, I do not misunderstand that position. I disagree with it.. Huge difference.
Ridiculous to think that one's salvation is based upon themselves....and at the end of the day....this particular view = a self/works/helping Jesus type of salvation.....I have a few words to describe it, but will spare to keep from being banned.....

More Catholic heresy......is all it is...
 
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Ridiculous to think that one's salvation is based upon themselves....and at the end of the day....this particular view = a self/works/helping Jesus type of salvation.....I have a few words to describe it, but will spare to keep from being banned.....

I think the "gift" part of salvation is where people mess up.. If Salvation is a gift. Then it is dependent on the giver, not the receiver..

That.s why even if the receiver is lacks faith for whatever reason. The giver must honor his gift, otherwise, he deny's himself.
 
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No, I do not misunderstand that position. I disagree with it.. Huge difference.
You cannot disagree with the truth.

You're supporting a gospel that was not preached for 1,500 years after the ascension.
 
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You cannot disagree with the truth.

You assume I am,, I am not.


You're supporting a gospel that was not preached for 1,500 years after the ascension.

Your supporting pagan rome..Who created the salvation can be lost gospel of works and had anyone killed who went against them for those 1500 years. ..
 
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You cannot disagree with the truth.

You're supporting a gospel that was not preached for 1,500 years after the ascension.
Reeks of ignorance.....the bible teaches eternal security based upon the faith and work of Christ....your view...a regurgitation of what is false
 
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I think the "gift" part of salvation is where people mess up.. If Salvation is a gift. Then it is dependent on the giver, not the receiver..

That.s why even if the receiver is lacks faith for whatever reason. The giver must honor his gift, otherwise, he deny's himself.

Their Jesus is weak.....an Indian giver...a catholic, watered down still on the cross Jesus
 
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Read your signature line really carefully.
Romans 8:1
what about it, It supports what I believe,

If you are right, romans 8: 1 is nonsense and has no truth to it. Because someone can be "in Christ" and still in the end lose salvation.. Even if it is because they stopped believing.
 
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You assume I am,, I am not.




Your supporting pagan rome..Who created the salvation can be lost gospel of works and had anyone killed who went against them for those 1500 years. ..
I'm supporting pagan Rome?
How's that?
 
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You assume I am,, I am not.




Your supporting pagan rome..Who created the salvation can be lost gospel of works and had anyone killed who went against them for those 1500 years. ..
Their verses....

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever keeps themselves in the faith should not perish, but have temporary life

He that believeth on the Son hath temporary life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

I know that, whatsoever God doeth (except salvation), it shall be temporary: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
 
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I'm supporting pagan Rome?
How's that?

where do you think your gospel comes from? A watered down version. but it is still the same.

Many so called "protestant" views are pagan rome in nature..
 
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what about it, It supports what I believe,

If you are right, romans 8: 1 is nonsense and has no truth to it. Because someone can be "in Christ" and still in the end lose salvation.. Even if it is because they stopped believing.
Huh?

You're confused!
 
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Huh?

You're confused!
Huh?

No, I am not confused at all.

I am in christ.

that means emphatically, there is no more condemnation for me.

it means by the truth, I can never lose what I never earned.. I will never be condemned again, If I can be condemned again, God lied.

it is plain and simple..


I am either under condemnation. or I have been saved from condemnation.. There is no inbetween.
 
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where do you think your gospel comes from? A watered down version. but it is still the same.

Many so called "protestant" views are pagan rome in nature..
I can only think of two mainline Christian denominations that believe in eternal security.
Every other one believes in the possible loss of salvation.
 
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Huh?

No, I am not confused at all.

I am in christ.

that means emphatically, there is no more condemnation for me.

it means by the truth, I can never lose what I never earned.. I will never be condemned again, If I can be condemned again, God lied.

it is plain and simple..


I am either under condemnation. or I have been saved from condemnation.. There is no inbetween.
Romans 8:1 states that you are not under condemnation if you ARE IN CHRIST.

Maybe you should change your signature line?
 
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I can only think of two mainline Christian denominations that believe in eternal security.
Every other one believes in the possible loss of salvation.
so we follow the "many" or the "few" the "wide gate", or the "Narrow Gate"?

by the way, Most people I know and have known from birth all over the United stated (I served my country for 15 years) believe in eternal security..

also, I stopped following denominational teachings about 10 years ago. I have found that most if not all denomination have flaws.
 
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