Exactly when and what triggered the ceasing of the gifts of the Spirit?

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JaumeJ

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It is written that Sarah called her husband, Abraham, master or from the Hebrew, Adon, but it seems that it was a term more of endearment than some type of servitude, however we must keep in mind, heart and soul that both members of a marriage are servants to each other. This relationship should be a pleasure and not some kind of obligation .
could somebody please tell me where the Bible says I am to call my husband 'master'?

my secretary's gonna be calling ME master if i don't start gettin' my memos!

right...so 1 Peter 3 i know. in my NASU it says 'just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord...'.
but...not the same thing...right?
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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I find your post to be very interesting and far above the typical type of posts we see. Even tho' it is a good post, it leaves me wondering and groping for answers.
well i still don't know the answer to this question...but i have narrowed it down :)
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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It is written that Sarah called her husband, Abraham, master or from the Hebrew, Adon, but it seems that it was a term more of endearment than some type of servitude, however we must keep in mind, heart and soul that both members of a marriage are servants to each other. This relationship should be a pleasure and not some kind of obligation .
i tend to view sarah's use of the term 'lord' for abraham as having a connotation something like 'the one my heart belongs to'
 
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psychomom

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It is written that Sarah called her husband, Abraham, master or from the Hebrew, Adon, but it seems that it was a term more of endearment than some type of servitude, however we must keep in mind, heart and soul that both members of a marriage are servants to each other. This relationship should be a pleasure and not some kind of obligation .
Thanks. :)


It's just that Mark loves the Lord.
And I can just imagine how he would react if I began calling him lord.
:rolleyes:
I actually asked him about that after this came up, and he didn't respond favorably.

Hoping dear and sweetheart will suffice. :)

 
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psychomom

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It is written that Sarah called her husband, Abraham, master or from the Hebrew, Adon, but it seems that it was a term more of endearment than some type of servitude, however we must keep in mind, heart and soul that both members of a marriage are servants to each other. This relationship should be a pleasure and not some kind of obligation .
I really don't have a problem with the idea of servitude, with the connotation of being my husband's servant.
If I am not to be his helpmeet, why else am I here? :)
 

JaumeJ

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OK, I will say in other words, Sarah's calling Abraham "Adonai," my lord, would be as calling each other darling or dear or dearest. As being wed, both have become one body, and should treat each other as such. The Epistles explain in detail that a man would in no manner lord it over himself other than what is normally expected of a person, this is in regard to his own body. This includes the spouse, and the wife is likewise to regard her husband, as her own body. The customs and manners of the times of the Epistles were elaborated upon so the congregation did not offend the masses who did not believe. We all are to refrain from all appearance of evil, and these customs of man fall into that category. At home, we are just that, at home, and we behave at home in the sight of our Maker as He leads us to conduct ourselves. Many times our home customs have no relation whatsoever with people outside, but this is between the couple, who are one, and the Maker. We know what He approves by nature, because the Holy Spirit resides in our hearts. You may call each other whatever feels right in the sight of Yahweh, God. Remember when Pharoah saw Abraham sporting with Sarah, and he realized Sarah was really his wife. Do you suppose she calle Abraham "master" while they were sporting? Maybe, but only in the sense of calling him dear, darling or the like. Mark knows in his heart, and so do you, the Lord's yoke is easy, and His burden light, rely upon learning directly from Him. He is there for each of us.
 
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The term master applies to the head of the man being Christ and the head of the woman being the man. Headship in a marriage where two become one flesh poi nts to how God honors and blesses the family. Submission in the home is to word and grace God gives through husband that the wife implements and the children obey. There is a joint participation that begins with the husband submitting to the word so that grace can abound in the family.
 
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damombomb

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Back to the op, i'm not seeing where the gifts ended or why they would. Acts2:38 speaks about the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The bible says you must be born again of the water and spirit or you will not enter the kingdom of heaven, does this have anything to do with it? he said he would pour out his spirit on all flesh, your old men would dream dreams, your young men
shall see visions.
 
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The Gifts have not stopped...they are yours for the ASKING. Key...is to USE THEM!!
 
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There are many gifts that are given severally to members of the body of Christ but the ones that have a huge emphasis that were given in the early inception of the church have been rendered obsolete except in isolated cases where they are needed. e follow the apostle's doctrine and we have fellowship in the world they preached that the Holy Spirit inspired and gave to us as the written word. Certain administrative gifts can be practiced in the body, but the ones that draw all the attention and somehow have self-qualified believers as being spiritual have not been given for that purpose. Concerning the gifts of apostles...evangelist, these were given at specific times with an eternal purpose for the church and the canon of the New Testament scriptures. Today we have the pastor, who is also a teacher that oversees the local assembly and teaches doctrine. God fives the gifts needed for that local assembly so they function as a body of believers and carry out the will of God, train up disciples and in preaching the gospel to the many parts of the world, sending out those who are trained and called of God.

MIA - Billy Graham did the work of an evangelist
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Gift can be rejected. The spiritual gifts found in the Gospel have ceased in the lives of those who reject them, for whatever reason including unbelief, but not in the lives of those who received and possess them :).
 
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Gift can be rejected. The spiritual gifts found in the Gospel have ceased in the lives of those who reject them, for whatever reason including unbelief, but not in the lives of those who received and possess them :).
And, the gifts have not ceased for those who think they are not being used by God to use them, for God does things so that our 'right hand does not know what our left is doing.' Truly, like believing by faith in Him, who died on the cross for us, who was around with God at the beginning of the world, who was and is and is to come; these concepts take faith. I have faith in tongues happening to me someday, I've not seen them happen but gifts God's probably ALREADY worked through me would included 'mercy' and 'peacemaking' and seems like some on here like to say 'revelation,' for things I 've said on c.c.
Not bragging, not boasting, just saying, Christ speaks through me is my hope, my prayer, it is not I who speaks but He who is in me. Granted, it does not always work that way, for we all have 'thorn(s) in our flesh, like Paul had, God removes that sin in His timing, and, sometimes, He keeps that 'thorn' in us so that we stay humble more, AOK :)

A good book , I think to read is something I started reading that a bible study teacher of mine gave me a couple weeks ago, it's called, 'They Speak In Tongues.' The same author as 'God's Smuggler,' if that helps any. The author is Christian world known well, but I forget his name. Someone with so much knowledge wanted, like 'Can Gumby really swim with the fishes,' like yourself, AOK, that book would be great for you, and, so, yes, I agree with your post, plus, adding the 'unknowing' aspect of His knowing and doing spiritual gifts work through us who are not knowing, unaware of the 'gift' we have entertained, for His glory, and, never forget, by being a 'pure vessel,' there is no doubt God will bless us, here, and, of course, hereafter :)
 
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There are many gifts that are given severally to members of the body of Christ but the ones that have a huge emphasis that were given in the early inception of the church have been rendered obsolete except in isolated cases where they are needed. We follow the apostle's doctrine and we have fellowship in the word they preached that the Holy Spirit inspired and gave to us as the written word. Certain administrative gifts can be practiced in the body, but the ones that draw all the attention and somehow have self-qualified believers as being spiritual have not been given for that purpose. Concerning the gifts of apostles...evangelist, these were given at specific times with an eternal purpose for the church and for the canon of the New Testament scriptures. Today we have the pastor, who is also a teacher that oversees the local assembly and teaches doctrine. God gives the gifts needed for that local assembly so they function as a body of believers and carry out the will of God, train up disciples and in preaching the gospel to the many parts of the world, sending out those who are trained and called of God.

MIA - Billy Graham did the work of an evangelist
 

JaumeJ

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It is very sad to think some who love the Lord have not experienced the working of the Holy Spirit through the gifts cited in the Word. Healing persists today, the gift of knowledge persists, tongues and some impart the Holy Spirit. All who believe Jesus, Yeshua, believe by the spirit of prophecy. There are teachers, and there are many manifestations not even mentioned in the Word. I know the God (Elohim) I believe is all capable; He is the Almighty, and every child of His should believe this in the depths of their minds, hearts and souls. He does whatever He decides to do, and He is always good, amen.
 
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That would be Andrew Murray who is known in the underground church as "Brother Andrew." He's a remarkable man with a remarkable past. He belonged to the wildest platoon in the Dutch Army whose slogan was "lose your mind." By all accounts he was a hard man whose army friends wrote had no weakness nor fear in him.

He would wear a straw hat into battle against rebels in the Dutch Indies so they would be sure to target him. He killed a great many of them but was himself shot on various occassions and it's a miracle that he survived those firefights. Afterwards, he would drink himself into a stupor.

While in the hospital recovering from one of the battles, he found God and gave his life to Jesus Christ through the ministry of Catholic nuns. He returned home shortly after and entered an evangelical Christian missionary training school. After graduation, he began sneaking behind the "Iron Curtain" and delivering Bibles and words of encouragement to persecuted Christians in the underground church.

A Christian ministry was born... and thrives to this day.

A good book , I think to read is something I started reading that a bible study teacher of mine gave me a couple weeks ago, it's called, 'They Speak In Tongues.' The same author as 'God's Smuggler,' if that helps any. The author is Christian world known well, but I forget his name.
 
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GreenNnice

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GreenNnice: A good book , I think to read is something I started reading that a bible study teacher of mine gave me a couple weeks ago, it's called, 'They Speak In Tongues.' The same author as 'God's Smuggler,' if that helps any. The author is Christian world known well, but I forget his name.
That would be Andrew Murray who is known in the underground church as "Brother Andrew." He's a remarkable man with a remarkable past. He belonged to the wildest platoon in the Dutch Army whose slogan was "lose your mind." By all accounts he was a hard man whose army friends wrote had no weakness nor fear in him.

He would wear a straw hat into battle against rebels in the Dutch Indies so they would be sure to target him. He killed a great many of them but was himself shot on various occassions and it's a miracle that he survived those firefights. Afterwards, he would drink himself into a stupor.

While in the hospital recovering from one of the battles, he found God and gave his life to Jesus Christ through the ministry of Catholic nuns. He returned home shortly after and entered an evangelical Christian missionary training school. After graduation, he began sneaking behind the "Iron Curtain" and delivering Bibles and words of encouragement to persecuted Christians in the underground church.

A Christian ministry was born... and thrives to this day.
I knew you would come through with shining, turquoise, unfishy colors, AOK, that is, you would come through with some knowledge for us :) Great words there, too, God uses us ALL the time to give others knowledge, silly to think that ALL I get is from the bible, God DOES speak to us through books too, the Holy Spirit reveals ALL truth to us and that truth comes from the bible, true, but He also speaks to us to do things that MUST be THROUGH FAITH, in a split second decision, maybe, even, GASP! , one day, you will a martyr, and, just might have to keep talking and praying and going forth like Stephen did, because you will NOT have a bible to look up what you want to see . You will ONLY have Him in you and, guess what, He will be ALL you need. He is all and all. Our God reigns ! :)

Note: I need to pick up Murray's book still, again, I had to give it back to my bible teacher. But the chapter I read was a word I will use that Paul said once or twice in his epistles, 'profound.' To me, it was, anyway, about a 'light' that someone saw come and go in the hospital. I can imagine the rest of the book will be great faith-showing stories too.

How can anyone deny what people have seen true and they have not seen? By faith :(

Ooh, green , you really twisted things there, didn't ya. :D
 
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I have arrived on this thread a bit late, and am in the process of reading through.

Logic tells me that as long as the Holy Spirit is working on earth, His gifts must be present.

My faith tells me that with God everything is possible, even gifts of the Holy Spirit,
as and when He desires and according to His will.

I have been taught from the Bible that prophecies will fail and tongues will cease, but that is one of the interpretations.

God works in ways we cannot comprehend, and therefore it is not for me to ascertain
whether the gifts of the Holy Spirit are present today or not?
So, I wouldn't spend a lot of time wondering.

If He wants to impart any gift to me, He will do it based on how my life pleases Him.

Having said that,
I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF ANYONE ON CC POSSESSES ANY GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?
Do you have any TANGIBLE evidence?
If so, it would glorify God and edify His people.