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I think it's that Once a Sinner Always a Sinner doctrine= OSAS
Luke 13:27
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
Luke 13:27
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
The Christian being freed from sin does not mean the Christian is perfect, flawless and does not sin. In Rom chapters 1-3 Paul spoke about the Gentiles and Jews that lived under the OT laws and proved they were sinners that were "under sin". They were under sin for they did not have the blood Christ to have their sins remitted....those OT sacrfices could not remit sins therefore they were "under sin". Yet after the death of Christ, His shed blood can remit sins where they are remembered no more freeing one from sin. It does not mean it is impossible for the CHristian to sin but that he can have all his sins cleansed away by the blood of Christ by walking in the light, 1 Jn 1:7.
Sounds like you have a pretty good grasp of why they cannot hear, as I also understand this as well. And I often asked myself why bother. But the Lord gave me the answer here ....
Ezekiel 2:6-7 "And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious."
Sometimes the Lords testimony is not just to edify a few for building up, but it also serves as witness against, and a warning and to the tearing down of the strong holds of the Devil. The Lord said to Ezekiel here....
Ezekiel 3:18 "When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand."
So though the wicked may not turn at the warning to repent of their sins, it is still up to us to warn the wicked to turn from his wicked way. So the witness is not only for those who can receive it, but also a witness against those who do not.
Matthew 10:18
And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mark 6:11
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Mark 13:9
But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Ezekiel 2:6-7 "And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious."
Sometimes the Lords testimony is not just to edify a few for building up, but it also serves as witness against, and a warning and to the tearing down of the strong holds of the Devil. The Lord said to Ezekiel here....
Ezekiel 3:18 "When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand."
So though the wicked may not turn at the warning to repent of their sins, it is still up to us to warn the wicked to turn from his wicked way. So the witness is not only for those who can receive it, but also a witness against those who do not.
Matthew 10:18
And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mark 6:11
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Mark 13:9
But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
I never said it was impossible for a Christian to sin, I believe that is a straw man argument some are trying to build here.
There is a provision IF one sins....
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
There is a provision IF one sins....
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Joh 2:1 must be a reference to sins of ignorance (sin not unto death) for if it was a reference to willful rebellion then John is making a case for easy forgiveness.
In Hebrews it speaks of no sacrifice remaining for willful sin after a true cleansing. The cleansing in Heb 10:22 is obviously the same cleansing alluded to by John in 1Joh 1:7 and 9.
We have an advocate for sins of ignorance (1Joh 2:1) but willful sin requires godly sorrow working a repentance unto salvation (unto a true once and for all cleansing).
To imply otherwise is to argue in favour of a sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent (dirty/wash/clean over and over) cycle which is obviously at odds with any notion of a pure heart without guile.
This is one error I think many of the "stop sinning" street preachers do not perceive.
My above comment also pertains to the danger present in Arminian theology. They teach a sin/repent/sin/repent cycle. They teach that so long as one is on the repentance side when they die then they will enter the kingdom.
The whole thing is a fallacy because it is rooted in the notion of a persisting inward corruption which is why they have to teach a Second Work of Grace. Arminian theology is rooted in the same error as Reformed theology and that error is Original Sin.
The whole thing is a fallacy because it is rooted in the notion of a persisting inward corruption which is why they have to teach a Second Work of Grace. Arminian theology is rooted in the same error as Reformed theology and that error is Original Sin.
To further clarify.
In Hebrews the cleansing is presented in the context of being a once and for all and that is why "if we willfully sin there remains no more sacrifice for sin."
This...
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
and this...
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
and this...
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
... is not intended to be a cleansing which occurs over and over again. We are cleansed in order to remain clean. Grace is mocked when the cleansing is viewed as some kind of lever to be used again and again...
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
If 1Joh 2:1 was a reference to willful sin then it would mean that a sacrifice for sin does remain and thus it would be a clear contradiction to Heb 10:26.
If we look at how Paul described "godly sorrow that works repentance"...
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
... notice he referred to "approved yourselves to be clear in this matter."
The word clear in the Greek is...
hagnos
From the same as G40; properly clean, that is, (figuratively) innocent, modest, perfect: - chaste, clean, pure.
In other words, the matter in question has been dealt with at the HEART LEVEL in the repentant individual. There is no returning to this sin.
Godly sorrow works a repentance unto salvation. In other words godly sorrow effect a true change of the inward man whereby the outcome is wholehearted submission to God, ie. the mind truly changes and subsequent deeds then prove it (deeds worthy of repentance Act 26:20).
Thus we can see the seriousness of a willful transgression from a state of having been cleansed (Heb 10:22 and 29) whereby one also possesses a true knowledge of the light...
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
The sin/repent/sin/repent cycle that many theologies imply lacks any conception of the true deceptive nature of sin. It treats willful sin in a light manner. Yet Peter warned us...
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
A second repentance after an authentic salvation experience is not something one ought to take for granted. It is one thing to sin when in a state of darkness (the state of sinners) but it is quite another to sin from a state of full knowledge, having actually been cleansed by the blood of Christ and having been raised from darkness to light.
In Hebrews the cleansing is presented in the context of being a once and for all and that is why "if we willfully sin there remains no more sacrifice for sin."
This...
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
and this...
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
and this...
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
... is not intended to be a cleansing which occurs over and over again. We are cleansed in order to remain clean. Grace is mocked when the cleansing is viewed as some kind of lever to be used again and again...
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
If 1Joh 2:1 was a reference to willful sin then it would mean that a sacrifice for sin does remain and thus it would be a clear contradiction to Heb 10:26.
If we look at how Paul described "godly sorrow that works repentance"...
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
... notice he referred to "approved yourselves to be clear in this matter."
The word clear in the Greek is...
hagnos
From the same as G40; properly clean, that is, (figuratively) innocent, modest, perfect: - chaste, clean, pure.
In other words, the matter in question has been dealt with at the HEART LEVEL in the repentant individual. There is no returning to this sin.
Godly sorrow works a repentance unto salvation. In other words godly sorrow effect a true change of the inward man whereby the outcome is wholehearted submission to God, ie. the mind truly changes and subsequent deeds then prove it (deeds worthy of repentance Act 26:20).
Thus we can see the seriousness of a willful transgression from a state of having been cleansed (Heb 10:22 and 29) whereby one also possesses a true knowledge of the light...
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
The sin/repent/sin/repent cycle that many theologies imply lacks any conception of the true deceptive nature of sin. It treats willful sin in a light manner. Yet Peter warned us...
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
A second repentance after an authentic salvation experience is not something one ought to take for granted. It is one thing to sin when in a state of darkness (the state of sinners) but it is quite another to sin from a state of full knowledge, having actually been cleansed by the blood of Christ and having been raised from darkness to light.
The "provisional substitution" views of the cross commonly taught today obscure much of what I have written in the last couple of posts. This is obviously an intentional objective of these doctrines, which I have no doubt are sourced from the very mind of Satan himself.
When people view the Ministry of Reconciliation (2Cor 5:15 - 2Cor 6:1) in the context of a "provisional substitution" it totally destroys any possibility of being able to conceive the authentic new birth experience. The reason for this is that "Manifest Transformation" is thrown out the window and replaced with "Positional Justification." Thus the "true manifest condition of the heart," in the minds of these people, bears no real relevance to the "forgiveness of sins." This is why these people will defend the idea of Christian's being able to engage in wickedness and not be condemned (cos they believe that the blood COVERS them instead of it PURGING them).
Calvinists in general hold to the Penal Substitution provisional view. So do many Arminian adherents (ie. John Wesley). Yet there are many Arminian adherents who reject the Penal model but still hold to a substitional view in a Satisfaction sense (see Anselm's Satisfaction model). So whilst some Arminians will decry the Penal model and its associated "limited atonement via limited prices paid" they still view reconciliation as being premised on a legal exchange, just not in a penal context.
Even some non-Arminians like Jesse Morrell or Winkey Pratney (Moral Government proponents) still uphold substitution. Thus even in rejecting Original Sin and preaching "stop sinning" they still view sin in a less serious manner because they believe in an easy forgiveness due implying the notion of a sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent cycle existing.
A really good example of this is Charles Finney when he wrote...
SUBSTITUTION by Charles G. Finney
The failure to understand and thus the rejection of the notion of being "intrinsically transformed into the essential righteousness of God" via the "Spirit of life in Jesus Christ" is really what lies at the root of all this deception.
"Substitution" has replaced "Transformation" in the minds of so many theologians. The basis of being reconciled to God is repentance and faith (transformation) and the means of that reconciliation is via the death, burial and resurrection of the cross and via entering into a once and for all covenant with God via the blood of Jesus. All these theologians miss that and somehow conclude reconciliation is premised on a substitution having to have been made (whether it be Penal or Governmental is irrelevant).
Here is what John Calvin wrote...
"23. Hence also it is proved, that it is entirely by the intervention of Christ’s righteousness that we obtain justification before God. This is equivalent to saying that man is not just in himself, but that the righteousness of Christ is communicated to him by imputation, while he is strictly deserving of punishment. Thus vanishes the absurd dogma, that man is justified by faith, inasmuch as it brings him under the influence of the Spirit of God by whom he is rendered righteous. This is so repugnant to the above doctrine that it never can be reconciled with it."
Institutes of the Christian Religion - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Compare this statement of Calvin...
...to this statement of Finney...
Both Calvin and Finney are cut from the same cloth. It is the same with Wesley and all the other big name theologians.
Under the hood they all teach the same insidious deception. Today we have all these different camps of religion, all opposed to each other, and yet the whole paradigm is a massive deception all existing within a total framework of error.
Is it not any wonder Paul would warn Timothy...
1Ti_6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
We are to avoid a framework of opposing errors. Most religious debate is simply operating within a framework of error and a framework of error can only ever produce more error.
This is why we have to count everything we know as dung and start with the simple words of Jesus Christ with honest and sincere hearts. We MUST be doers of His words through repentance and faith. If we do that we cannot go wrong, unlike all the famous theologians, living and dead, who had and still do not have any real clue.
When people view the Ministry of Reconciliation (2Cor 5:15 - 2Cor 6:1) in the context of a "provisional substitution" it totally destroys any possibility of being able to conceive the authentic new birth experience. The reason for this is that "Manifest Transformation" is thrown out the window and replaced with "Positional Justification." Thus the "true manifest condition of the heart," in the minds of these people, bears no real relevance to the "forgiveness of sins." This is why these people will defend the idea of Christian's being able to engage in wickedness and not be condemned (cos they believe that the blood COVERS them instead of it PURGING them).
Calvinists in general hold to the Penal Substitution provisional view. So do many Arminian adherents (ie. John Wesley). Yet there are many Arminian adherents who reject the Penal model but still hold to a substitional view in a Satisfaction sense (see Anselm's Satisfaction model). So whilst some Arminians will decry the Penal model and its associated "limited atonement via limited prices paid" they still view reconciliation as being premised on a legal exchange, just not in a penal context.
Even some non-Arminians like Jesse Morrell or Winkey Pratney (Moral Government proponents) still uphold substitution. Thus even in rejecting Original Sin and preaching "stop sinning" they still view sin in a less serious manner because they believe in an easy forgiveness due implying the notion of a sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent cycle existing.
A really good example of this is Charles Finney when he wrote...
SUBSTITUTION by Charles G. Finney
The failure to understand and thus the rejection of the notion of being "intrinsically transformed into the essential righteousness of God" via the "Spirit of life in Jesus Christ" is really what lies at the root of all this deception.
"Substitution" has replaced "Transformation" in the minds of so many theologians. The basis of being reconciled to God is repentance and faith (transformation) and the means of that reconciliation is via the death, burial and resurrection of the cross and via entering into a once and for all covenant with God via the blood of Jesus. All these theologians miss that and somehow conclude reconciliation is premised on a substitution having to have been made (whether it be Penal or Governmental is irrelevant).
Here is what John Calvin wrote...
"23. Hence also it is proved, that it is entirely by the intervention of Christ’s righteousness that we obtain justification before God. This is equivalent to saying that man is not just in himself, but that the righteousness of Christ is communicated to him by imputation, while he is strictly deserving of punishment. Thus vanishes the absurd dogma, that man is justified by faith, inasmuch as it brings him under the influence of the Spirit of God by whom he is rendered righteous. This is so repugnant to the above doctrine that it never can be reconciled with it."
Institutes of the Christian Religion - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Compare this statement of Calvin...
...to this statement of Finney...
Both Calvin and Finney are cut from the same cloth. It is the same with Wesley and all the other big name theologians.
Under the hood they all teach the same insidious deception. Today we have all these different camps of religion, all opposed to each other, and yet the whole paradigm is a massive deception all existing within a total framework of error.
Is it not any wonder Paul would warn Timothy...
1Ti_6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
We are to avoid a framework of opposing errors. Most religious debate is simply operating within a framework of error and a framework of error can only ever produce more error.
This is why we have to count everything we know as dung and start with the simple words of Jesus Christ with honest and sincere hearts. We MUST be doers of His words through repentance and faith. If we do that we cannot go wrong, unlike all the famous theologians, living and dead, who had and still do not have any real clue.
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Greetings my brothers and sisters. I have not read the entire thread, so please forgive me if anything I say wreaks of redundancy.
Sin. Even the word is despicable. Here is the truth of the matter. I find both sides of the conversation correct to a certain degree. Hopefully these words can bridge a gap.
It is true that sin separates us from God. God cannot sin and His ultimate desire for us is to live with Him in eternity. It is true that the blood of Jesus alone cleanses our sin. It is also true that Jesus has not only paid our debt but freed us from the chains of sin. Mans condemnation is that when Light came into the world- man loved darkness rather than light. It's not that we won't make mistakes and commit a sin. For to err is a side effect of not being God. As children we will make mistakes.
Here is the wisdom. Repentance. To turn away from.
To decide "well, I love God and I accept Him, but Jesus paid for my sin so fornication I will keep" this is folly and in fact a very dangerous place to pitch ones tent. (this is just an example of certain sins that people find too difficult or uncomfortable to turn from.) they like their sin. They want it.
So when we really ask for Gods forgiveness a change must happen in ones mind and heart. "Father! I am sorry! Forgive me! Lord I do that which I don't want to do! please give me strength! I love you so much, in Jesus most Holy name I pray"
However if we say. "God, I'm sorry" but we accept that we will continue in this sin over and over, we are in serious danger.
So in short. We all make mistakes, but we still must truly repent. Turn away from all that is unrighteous as we turn toward God. For He is righteousness.
Sin. Even the word is despicable. Here is the truth of the matter. I find both sides of the conversation correct to a certain degree. Hopefully these words can bridge a gap.
It is true that sin separates us from God. God cannot sin and His ultimate desire for us is to live with Him in eternity. It is true that the blood of Jesus alone cleanses our sin. It is also true that Jesus has not only paid our debt but freed us from the chains of sin. Mans condemnation is that when Light came into the world- man loved darkness rather than light. It's not that we won't make mistakes and commit a sin. For to err is a side effect of not being God. As children we will make mistakes.
Here is the wisdom. Repentance. To turn away from.
To decide "well, I love God and I accept Him, but Jesus paid for my sin so fornication I will keep" this is folly and in fact a very dangerous place to pitch ones tent. (this is just an example of certain sins that people find too difficult or uncomfortable to turn from.) they like their sin. They want it.
So when we really ask for Gods forgiveness a change must happen in ones mind and heart. "Father! I am sorry! Forgive me! Lord I do that which I don't want to do! please give me strength! I love you so much, in Jesus most Holy name I pray"
However if we say. "God, I'm sorry" but we accept that we will continue in this sin over and over, we are in serious danger.
So in short. We all make mistakes, but we still must truly repent. Turn away from all that is unrighteous as we turn toward God. For He is righteousness.
Yeah 1 John 2:1 does not specify, but I know the Lord is merciful if one truly repents of his sins and returns to Him. I believe willful rebellion is spoken of in a falling away from the faith, which shows a returning to ones old ways.
Hebrews 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Though I don't believe in this wash/rinse /repeat cycle over and over again you mentioned, and one living in continual rebellion. I believe the Lord can be merciful to those who truly turn back to Him, just as the Lord was merciful to David when he sinned.
Hebrews 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Though I don't believe in this wash/rinse /repeat cycle over and over again you mentioned, and one living in continual rebellion. I believe the Lord can be merciful to those who truly turn back to Him, just as the Lord was merciful to David when he sinned.
The Bible does not teach that.
Jesus paid for YOU. Jesus did not pay your sin debt. If your sin debt is "paid for" then it cannot be held due lest it be "paid twice."
God forgives us our sin debt without any need for it to be paid.
The payment of a debt and the forgiveness of a debt cannot coexist.
Look at the parable of the unforgiving servant. Was his debt paid? No, it was forgiven. When that servant refused to likewise forgive his fellow servant the "unpaid debt" was reinstated.
The notion of "sin debt paid" is a 400 year old teaching rooted in the Penal Substitution model invented by the Reformers. It totally redefines the cross into something that is both very dangerous and very unbiblical.
Jesus paid for YOU. Jesus did not pay your sin debt. If your sin debt is "paid for" then it cannot be held due lest it be "paid twice."
God forgives us our sin debt without any need for it to be paid.
The payment of a debt and the forgiveness of a debt cannot coexist.
Look at the parable of the unforgiving servant. Was his debt paid? No, it was forgiven. When that servant refused to likewise forgive his fellow servant the "unpaid debt" was reinstated.
The notion of "sin debt paid" is a 400 year old teaching rooted in the Penal Substitution model invented by the Reformers. It totally redefines the cross into something that is both very dangerous and very unbiblical.
The Lord is indeed merciful to all those who truly turn back to Him.
The problem though is that "turning back" may not be found a second time.
When we first truly underwent the repentance process the conviction wrought in us was shocking as our eyes began to be opened to our true state before God, a true contrast between our rebellion and the law of love became very clear to us.
Once this has occurred the shock value of such a contrast, I believe, is reduced if one is to go back into rebellion to God. To sin from a state of full knowledge is the epitome of defiance to God, it is in effect to spit in the face of God. Such a defilement of heart is not easy to find a clearing from I fear. Worldy sorrow perhaps but not godly sorrow.
Godly sorrow is a treasure that must be sought diligently and it ought not be taken for granted. The idea of sin/confess/sin/confess is very much a denial of the godly sorrow that works a genuine repentance unto salvation.
That warning in Hebrews 6 is indeed pertinent. We have to be wary of the bitter root of sin which would defile us and leave us as Esau unable to find repentance.
Is a second repentance possible? I think so but I think it unlikely. With God all things are possible and so long as we have breath I think there is hope.
The problem though is that "turning back" may not be found a second time.
When we first truly underwent the repentance process the conviction wrought in us was shocking as our eyes began to be opened to our true state before God, a true contrast between our rebellion and the law of love became very clear to us.
Once this has occurred the shock value of such a contrast, I believe, is reduced if one is to go back into rebellion to God. To sin from a state of full knowledge is the epitome of defiance to God, it is in effect to spit in the face of God. Such a defilement of heart is not easy to find a clearing from I fear. Worldy sorrow perhaps but not godly sorrow.
Godly sorrow is a treasure that must be sought diligently and it ought not be taken for granted. The idea of sin/confess/sin/confess is very much a denial of the godly sorrow that works a genuine repentance unto salvation.
That warning in Hebrews 6 is indeed pertinent. We have to be wary of the bitter root of sin which would defile us and leave us as Esau unable to find repentance.
Is a second repentance possible? I think so but I think it unlikely. With God all things are possible and so long as we have breath I think there is hope.
The wages of sin is death (abiding in sin reaps death) and the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ (abiding in Jesus reaps life).
The Bible says no where that Jesus paid your debt.
If Jesus somehow paid your debt then it cannot be due anymore. Did Jesus pay everyone's debt whereby none will be lost? Did Jesus pay the debt of only some people leaving those for whom it is unpaid without hope?
Not only is the notion of "Jesus paid my debt" alien to the Bible, it promotes further error.
The Bible says no where that Jesus paid your debt.
If Jesus somehow paid your debt then it cannot be due anymore. Did Jesus pay everyone's debt whereby none will be lost? Did Jesus pay the debt of only some people leaving those for whom it is unpaid without hope?
Not only is the notion of "Jesus paid my debt" alien to the Bible, it promotes further error.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Rth 4:3 And he said unto the kinsman, Naomi, that is come again out of the country of Moab, selleth a parcel of land, which was our brother Elimelech's:
Rth 4:4 And I thought to advertise thee, saying, Buy it before the inhabitants, and before the elders of my people. If thou wilt redeem it, redeem it: but if thou wilt not redeem it, then tell me, that I may know: for there is none to redeem it beside thee; and I am after thee. And he said, I will redeem it.
Rth 4:5 Then said Boaz, What day thou buyest the field of the hand of Naomi, thou must buy it also of Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance.
Rth 4:6 And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance: redeem thou my right to thyself; for I cannot redeem it.
Rth 4:7 Now this was the manner in former time in Israel concerning redeeming and concerning changing, for to confirm all things; a man plucked off his shoe, and gave it to his neighbour: and this was a testimony in Israel.
Rth 4:8 Therefore the kinsman said unto Boaz, Buy it for thee. So he drew off his shoe.
Rth 4:9 And Boaz said unto the elders, and unto all the people, Ye are witnesses this day, that I have bought all that was Elimelech's, and all that was Chilion's and Mahlon's, of the hand of Naomi.
Rth 4:10 Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day.
We who had sold ourselves into bondage and death have been purchased by Jesus Christ unto freedom and life. If we forsake the service of sin and abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ then we will find favour with God and all our past sins will not be counted against us.
There is no "sin debt paid" found in the Bible at all and that is why not a single person has ever quoted such a teaching from the Bible.
Rth 4:3 And he said unto the kinsman, Naomi, that is come again out of the country of Moab, selleth a parcel of land, which was our brother Elimelech's:
Rth 4:4 And I thought to advertise thee, saying, Buy it before the inhabitants, and before the elders of my people. If thou wilt redeem it, redeem it: but if thou wilt not redeem it, then tell me, that I may know: for there is none to redeem it beside thee; and I am after thee. And he said, I will redeem it.
Rth 4:5 Then said Boaz, What day thou buyest the field of the hand of Naomi, thou must buy it also of Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance.
Rth 4:6 And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance: redeem thou my right to thyself; for I cannot redeem it.
Rth 4:7 Now this was the manner in former time in Israel concerning redeeming and concerning changing, for to confirm all things; a man plucked off his shoe, and gave it to his neighbour: and this was a testimony in Israel.
Rth 4:8 Therefore the kinsman said unto Boaz, Buy it for thee. So he drew off his shoe.
Rth 4:9 And Boaz said unto the elders, and unto all the people, Ye are witnesses this day, that I have bought all that was Elimelech's, and all that was Chilion's and Mahlon's, of the hand of Naomi.
Rth 4:10 Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day.
We who had sold ourselves into bondage and death have been purchased by Jesus Christ unto freedom and life. If we forsake the service of sin and abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ then we will find favour with God and all our past sins will not be counted against us.
There is no "sin debt paid" found in the Bible at all and that is why not a single person has ever quoted such a teaching from the Bible.
Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Mat 18:24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
A debt forgiven is not a debt paid for.
Mat 18:24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
A debt forgiven is not a debt paid for.
Yeah, if you look at what the Lord said to the children of Israel, even after they had turned and played the Harlot, the Lord still cried out for them to repent and to return to Him. Just as Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of Israel, which implies sheep that had gone astray. You can see this same message in the book Revelation, the Lord crying out for His people to come out of the Harlot system and be not a partaker of her sins.
We even see Jesus telling those who had fallen back and turned from their first love to return to Him, and repent.
Revelation 3:1-33 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."
Revelation 2:4-5 "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
We even see Jesus telling those who had fallen back and turned from their first love to return to Him, and repent.
Revelation 3:1-33 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."
Revelation 2:4-5 "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Act_26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Sins are freely forgiven by God.
Yet this forgiveness is conditioned upon a genuine faith that works by love by which we are sanctified. Thus pardon is granted to those whom forsake evil because a faith that works by love does not produce the fruit of unrighteousness. One does not love God and their neighbour and work ill against them.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Jesus is the kinsman redeemer of all mankind. He purchased a people with His blood that we may walk according to the Spirit as children of God and be joint-heirs with Jesus Christ.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Boaz purchased both a parcel of land and Ruth, the widow of his kin, in doing so he redeemed the inheritance due (ie. the name of the deceased). In like manner Jesus redeems sinners who forfeited their inheritance through their rebellion to God. Jesus, as a man, walked according to the Spirit and overcame the lusts of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. Jesus NEVER forfeited the inheritance through sinning against God. Jesus serves as a mediator between God and man whereby sinners may find a return to favour and be adopted into the inheritance previously forfeited, to be co-heirs with Jesus Christ.
Sins are freely forgiven by God.
Yet this forgiveness is conditioned upon a genuine faith that works by love by which we are sanctified. Thus pardon is granted to those whom forsake evil because a faith that works by love does not produce the fruit of unrighteousness. One does not love God and their neighbour and work ill against them.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Jesus is the kinsman redeemer of all mankind. He purchased a people with His blood that we may walk according to the Spirit as children of God and be joint-heirs with Jesus Christ.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Boaz purchased both a parcel of land and Ruth, the widow of his kin, in doing so he redeemed the inheritance due (ie. the name of the deceased). In like manner Jesus redeems sinners who forfeited their inheritance through their rebellion to God. Jesus, as a man, walked according to the Spirit and overcame the lusts of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. Jesus NEVER forfeited the inheritance through sinning against God. Jesus serves as a mediator between God and man whereby sinners may find a return to favour and be adopted into the inheritance previously forfeited, to be co-heirs with Jesus Christ.
What about His life a ransom G3083 this verse.....
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[TD]Mar 10:45[/TD]
[TD]For [SUP]G1063[/SUP] even [SUP]G2532[/SUP] the Son [SUP]G5207[/SUP] of man [SUP]G444[/SUP] came [SUP]G2064[/SUP] not [SUP]G3756[/SUP] to be ministered unto, [SUP]G1247[/SUP] but [SUP]G235[/SUP] to minister, [SUP]G1247[/SUP] and [SUP]G2532[/SUP] to give [SUP]G1325[/SUP] his [SUP]G846[/SUP] life [SUP]G5590[/SUP] a ransom [SUP]G3083[/SUP] for [SUP]G473[/SUP] many. [SUP]G4183[/SUP][/TD]
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- the price for redeeming, ransom
- paid for slaves, captives
- for the ransom of life
- to liberate many from misery and the penalty of their sins
λύτρον lýtron, loo'-tron; from G3089; something to loosen with, i.e. a redemption price (figuratively, atonement):—ransom.