God of the Paradox
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Well, I think the point I above I highlighted is accurate.
However, there is nothing wrong with using the brain God gave you, and understanding the logical fallacies of what atheists say.
Almost everything an atheist says will be based on fraudulent date (intentionally or unintentionally) or on logical fallacies.
It is good to uncover the logical fallacies, and uncover the fraudulent date, and thereby understand what they're doing.
But here is the problem: atheists will come up with SO MUCH fraudulent data, and SO MANY logical fallacies, that's it's simply hard to keep up with it all. So, although it's good to study, and find the answers, it becomes impractical to worry about every little thing they ever say.
So, study the atheist suppositions as you have time, but don't stress yourself out over it.
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However, there is nothing wrong with using the brain God gave you, and understanding the logical fallacies of what atheists say.
Almost everything an atheist says will be based on fraudulent date (intentionally or unintentionally) or on logical fallacies.
It is good to uncover the logical fallacies, and uncover the fraudulent date, and thereby understand what they're doing.
But here is the problem: atheists will come up with SO MUCH fraudulent data, and SO MANY logical fallacies, that's it's simply hard to keep up with it all. So, although it's good to study, and find the answers, it becomes impractical to worry about every little thing they ever say.
So, study the atheist suppositions as you have time, but don't stress yourself out over it.
: )
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When a person takes a step of faith for real in believing God's Word, they already know God exists. Hence, why they are taking a step in faith by believing in Him. If they did not believe he existed, they would not take a step in faith to believe in Him. I have met unbelievers who have told me that they know God exists and that the Bible is true, but they have not brought themselves to take that step of faith to repent and accept Jesus. Scripture says all men are without excuse that there is a God. So everyone does know that there is a God. But some have suppressed that truth deep within them because of the darkness of sin and their pride. When I say God confirms the Truth with a person after receiving Christ, I am talking about how God lets them know on His end that He is there with them (Despite them already believing and knowing He exists).
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I can assure you, without a shadow of a doubt, that the scripture is wrong. Its wrong to say I know there is a god. I absolutely and without question do not believe god exists.
To say otherwise would suggest that you are calling me a liar or being dishonest in some way. I can guarantee you that I am no liar... I may be many things, but I am never dishonest or pretend to be something I am not.
To say otherwise would suggest that you are calling me a liar or being dishonest in some way. I can guarantee you that I am no liar... I may be many things, but I am never dishonest or pretend to be something I am not.
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As we speak of physics and of God, we must compare Spiritual thing with spiritual.If you speak of a cause causing then you are speaking of time and space. But God lives out side time and space except for in Jesus. How can we apply Physics to a non physical God. For physics and measurement can only tell us of the physical, which is ok, but , don't mix oil and water together. God from his own self nature and matter, only energy cannot be created or destroyed, but energy can be turned into matter and matter into energy. This should be self explanatory.
On a conscious level you have convinced yourself of the lie that God does not exist; However, on a subconscious level, you still know He exists. All people who deny God's existence are holding the truth in unrighteousness. Read the following passage below, my friend.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (Romans 1:18-23).
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (Romans 1:18-23).
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Its a bit more than that though. YOU believe that I know god exists, yes? Its you I'm having this discussion with.
I'm not shooting any messengers. Your saying an old book says what I know.. And here I am saying No, that's not true. I KNOW what I know. And your siding with the old book that says what I know. Messanger or no messanger YOU are using it in a discussion with me.
As i said, There's no point pursuing this as its now turned into an unverified book claims to know what I know. This ridiculousness prevents any further rational discussion.
I'm not shooting any messengers. Your saying an old book says what I know.. And here I am saying No, that's not true. I KNOW what I know. And your siding with the old book that says what I know. Messanger or no messanger YOU are using it in a discussion with me.
As i said, There's no point pursuing this as its now turned into an unverified book claims to know what I know. This ridiculousness prevents any further rational discussion.
Please take note that I said it was your SUBconscious mind and NOT your CONscious mind I was referring to. Unless you are able to somehow tap into your subconscious somehow, I don't see how you are aware of what your subconscious mind is thinking. So are you aware of what your mind is thinking? Conscious? Yes. Subconscious? No.
Right, OK, I won't take my ball and go home. I'll stay and play lol.
Apologies for the rant, but honestly my friend I can't have a discussion about my subconscious knowing god exists and my conscious doesn't. I could say the same about your subconscious knows Ganesh exists but your conscious doesn't. Its a meaningless conversation that can't go anywhere.
Let's argue about about who played rue best James Bond instead.
Apologies for the rant, but honestly my friend I can't have a discussion about my subconscious knowing god exists and my conscious doesn't. I could say the same about your subconscious knows Ganesh exists but your conscious doesn't. Its a meaningless conversation that can't go anywhere.
Let's argue about about who played rue best James Bond instead.
I haven't been following this discussion too closely, but just throwing this out there:
Believing that a god exists is not the same as believing that a specific half-elephant, half-human god named Ganesh exists. One belief allows for other possibilities and has the least limitations on one's conclusions about what form that god would take or what its existence could be defined as. So the two don't really compare.
If a Christian remarks that you know deep down inside of you that a god exists, I don't think they mean that you know their conception of God exists, perfectly as depicted. When Helen Keller learned to communicate with the outside world and finally heard of this idea of a god, she remarked that she had always believed that something like that existed. And much like Helen Keller, I think humans - for whatever reason - are predisposed to hold a belief in a higher power or a god or a supreme being and originator of all things - call it what you will. I think it takes several years of exposure to educational institutions with certain secular leanings to inculcate in us this idea that there is no such thing as God.
Believing that a god exists is not the same as believing that a specific half-elephant, half-human god named Ganesh exists. One belief allows for other possibilities and has the least limitations on one's conclusions about what form that god would take or what its existence could be defined as. So the two don't really compare.
If a Christian remarks that you know deep down inside of you that a god exists, I don't think they mean that you know their conception of God exists, perfectly as depicted. When Helen Keller learned to communicate with the outside world and finally heard of this idea of a god, she remarked that she had always believed that something like that existed. And much like Helen Keller, I think humans - for whatever reason - are predisposed to hold a belief in a higher power or a god or a supreme being and originator of all things - call it what you will. I think it takes several years of exposure to educational institutions with certain secular leanings to inculcate in us this idea that there is no such thing as God.
My upbringing didn't have secular leanings. It was neutral I suppose. God was never discussed unless I asked a question and then my father would give me the answer and encourage me to find out more information for myself. He never said there is no god. He just said that some people believed there was one and I was encouraged to make up my own mind. So while it wasn't a forced secular upbringing. The god thing wasn't pushed either. I was taught how to think rather than what to think and I that is now how I raise my son.
But I never had any feeling that there was someone in the skys. First time I heard god mentioned was in school and I thought it was just another story. None of my comments are meant to offend or belittle. Just weighing in with my experience.
But I never had any feeling that there was someone in the skys. First time I heard god mentioned was in school and I thought it was just another story. None of my comments are meant to offend or belittle. Just weighing in with my experience.