God sending People He made and loves to the lake of fire.

[PennEd]

Some anti Universalist posted a threat then deleted it.
They obviously have a hatred for others who don't believe as they do.
And Im not a Universalist. They believe Satan is saved.
Instead of reasoning or at least trying to reason they just hate.
Its a sign they may have the wrong theology. Jesus said to love people.
How much more can one love than to say even those that hate you
are saved and will inherit eternal salvation in paradise.
Like He said on the cross. Forgive them Father, they know not what they do.
And I do love all peoples. As for hate. I have that too. For
Satan, his angels and their bastard kids when the angels mated
with human women and the Nephs were born. I don't have to hate
my brothers and sisters. : )
P..S. Aside from laying down ones life for his friends. : )

So you HATE satan's bastard kids? Were the Pharisees Jesus spoke to human beings who will eventually be saved, or are they as Jesus said the children of satan? And if they ARE children of satan, presumably by DNA, wouldn't there be seemingly human beings today that are actually satan's kids? And wouldn't that further mean that THEY were the ones who rejected Jesus and will be tossed into lake of fire?

Here is the verse where the Pharisees call Jesus a bastard, and He blatantly calls them satan's kids:

John 8:
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “WE were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 YOU are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.

 

[notuptome]

Let me ask you something; how do you know that everything that you find in the bible is completely and utterly true? Are you going to quote another passage to prove it?

Why not? God cannot lie. The word of God never changes. The word of God always accomplishes that to which God has intended it.

What will you offer? More of the flawed reasoning of men educated above their intelligence?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Seedz]

Why not? God cannot lie. The word of God never changes. The word of God always accomplishes that to which God has intended it.

What will you offer? More of the flawed reasoning of men educated above their intelligence?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You can't possibly make an honest assertion on anything by assuming. You assume a lot.

How do you know that God chose this way [The Bible] to communicate With the beings he created(aka humans)?

Christianity is BUILT on assumptions and half baked reasoning. There is no critical thinking involved and the intellectually gifted "Christians" become theologians.

Go figure.

 

[tourist]

I appreciate it, although I believe it has fallen on deaf ears.

The Word of God is never returned void and all prayer is answered that is aligned with His will and desire.

 

[Seedz]

The Word of God is never returned void and all prayer is answered that is aligned with His will and desire.

I've always wondered what the point of prayer was if God is going to do his will anyway...

 

[tourist]

Let me ask you something; how do you know that everything that you find in the bible is completely and utterly true? Are you going to quote another passage to prove it?

Faith is hope in the evidence that is unseen. It is impossible to create a universe made out of something starting with absolutely nothing unless it was designed and created by God. Is it logical to believe that if you had a box filled with a bunch of nothing that if you waited a billion years it would now be filled with a bunch of something, and not only that, works in predicable and creative ways? It makes more sense to believe in universalism than to believe something foolish like that.

 

[tourist]

I've always wondered what the point of prayer was if God is going to do his will anyway...

The prayer is for our benefit and not God's. I believe that it is the work of the Holy Spirit that convicts a person to say a prayer to God and this not really something of our doing at all but we are rather a willing participant.

 

[Seedz]

Faith is hope in the evidence that is unseen. It is impossible to create a universe made out of something starting with absolutely nothing unless it was designed and created by God. Is it logical to believe that if you had a box filled with a bunch of nothing that if you waited a billion years it would now be filled with a bunch of something, and not only that, works in predicable and creative ways? It makes more sense to believe in universalism than to believe something foolish like that.

Is your reference hinting at me being a materialist atheist? If so, I am no such thing, and I do believe there is some kind of creation and design finger print, I have never disputed this. I am disputing the fact that the bible is possibly not inerrant and not the divinely inspired word of such creator.

 

[Seedz]

The prayer is for our benefit and not God's. I believe that it is the work of the Holy Spirit that convicts a person to say a prayer to God and this not really something of our doing at all but we are rather a willing participant.

So it is God praying to God through yourself to help yourself?

 

[tourist]

Is your reference hinting at me being a materialist atheist? If so, I am no such thing, and I do believe there is some kind of creation and design finger print, I have never disputed this. I am disputing the fact that the bible is possibly not inerrant and not the divinely inspired word of such creator.

I believe that everything in the bible is truthfully stated but not everything in the bible is a statement of truth. For example, Cain killed his brother Abel but I am sure that God is not condoning murder. I don't believe that deep down inside of you that you are really an atheist either. Perhaps, you have observed a lot of evil in this world and wondered how could God possibly allow it to happen if He is indeed a God of Love. This is stated in the book of John about the character of God and that is indeed a statement of truth.

 

[tourist]

So it is God praying to God through yourself to help yourself?

What seems to be happening is that the Holy Spirit is praying to the Father for Him to hear our prayer and answer it.

 

[Seedz]

I believe that everything in the bible is truthfully stated but not everything in the bible is a statement of truth. For example, Cain killed his brother Abel but I am sure that God is not condoning murder. I don't believe that deep down inside of you that you are really an atheist either. Perhaps, you have observed a lot of evil in this world and wondered how could God possibly allow it to happen if He is indeed a God of Love. This is stated in the book of John about the character of God and that is indeed a statement of truth.

I never claimed to be an atheist either. If you were to put a label on me it would be something like agnostic. I really dislike labels due to them having some negative connotations attached to them. Most people are fairly ignorant to semantics now-a-days.

I know there is some kind of cosmic finger print in the world. It is evident. Not only in the mathematical patterns that you find in nature, but also in the continuity of the overarching design characteristics of reality that are present in different contexts across all types of mediums.

Christianity claims to know who this God "being" is, what he is like, what he wants, and what he likes. Not only that, but it tells you how to live your life to keep this God happy. If you don't abide, you will either die and cease to exist, or burn in hell for all of eternity, of course the answer you get depends on who you ask.

The only basis that Christianity has to validate these claims of inerrant objectivity come from 1 single place; The Bible.

Do you see the problem? You might see the problem once you look into how the bible came about, and who was behind it all.

The press has been a powerful tool of influence across millennia, it has worked wonders.

Ask yourself this: Why would a God that knew most people were illiterate up until 150 years ago [in the "first world" countries at least] device a method of delivery that required literacy?

 

[tourist]

I never claimed to be an atheist either. If you were to put a label on me it would be something like agnostic. I really dislike labels due to them having some negative connotations attached to them. Most people are fairly ignorant to semantics now-a-days.

I know there is some kind of cosmic finger print in the world. It is evident. Not only in the mathematical patterns that you find in nature, but also in the continuity of the overarching design characteristics of reality that are present in different contexts across all types of mediums.

Christianity claims to know who this God "being" is, what he is like, what he wants, and what he likes. Not only that, but it tells you how to live your life to keep this God happy. If you don't abide, you will either die and cease to exist, or burn in hell for all of eternity, of course the answer you get depends on who you ask.

The only basis that Christianity has to validate these claims of inerrant objectivity come from 1 single place; The Bible.

Do you see the problem? You might see the problem once you look into how the bible came about, and who was behind it all.

The press has been a powerful tool of influence across millennia, it has worked wonders.

Ask yourself this: Why would a God that knew most people were illiterate up until 150 years ago [in the "first world" countries at least] device a method of delivery that required literacy?

I'm not one to put a label on anyone, labeling is not what I'm about.

 

[notuptome]

You can't possibly make an honest assertion on anything by assuming. You assume a lot.

How do you know that God chose this way [The Bible] to communicate With the beings he created(aka humans)?

Christianity is BUILT on assumptions and half baked reasoning. There is no critical thinking involved and the intellectually gifted "Christians" become theologians.

Go figure.

Even the foolishness of God is far beyond the most sage wisdom of man. Christianity is based on Christ and the word of God. Those who claim critical thinking are only half right. They are critical but not thinking. They are dreaming and conspiring against a God they hate with a passion because God has the audacity to openly declare them sinners in need of forgiveness and redemption.

There is nothing good in man that is to be desired.

More bible...Hebrews 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Seedz]

What seems to be happening is that the Holy Spirit is praying to the Father for Him to hear our prayer and answer it.

Even the foolishness of God is far beyond the most sage wisdom of man. Christianity is based on Christ and the word of God. Those who claim critical thinking are only half right. They are critical but not thinking. They are dreaming and conspiring against a God they hate with a passion because God has the audacity to openly declare them sinners in need of forgiveness and redemption.

There is nothing good in man that is to be desired.

More bible...Hebrews 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

For the cause of Christ
Roger

It amusing to see the true colors of elitism shine in Christians. I too would deem anyone else unworthy of understanding if they were not my "brother".

You keep assuming I hate God for some reason. Not only that, but you also assume that I'm resentful for being a "sinner".

Why don't you look into how Constantine pardoned many financial obligations and mandatory requirements of the Aristocracy that converted in the 4th century? Aside from the massive intensives to "Convert" there also was a burning desire for unity, that being said also look into how Constantine pushed for unity at all costs, it came in the shape of a couple of decisions made by councils of bishops such as the Council of Nicaea, etc.

Did I also mention that Constantine rebuilt the "Tomb" of Jesus in Jerusalem that once was a pagan site?

Hmm...

I don't hate God, I hate man trying to pretend to be God.

 

[notuptome]

It amusing to see the true colors of elitism shine in Christians. I too would deem anyone else unworthy of understanding if they were not my "brother".

You keep assuming I hate God for some reason. Not only that, but you also assume that I'm resentful for being a "sinner".

Why don't you look into how Constantine pardoned many financial obligations and mandatory requirements of the Aristocracy that converted in the 4th century? Aside from the massive intensives to "Convert" there also was a burning desire for unity, that being said also look into how Constantine pushed for unity at all costs, it came in the shape of a couple of decisions made by councils of bishops such as the Council of Nicaea, etc.

Did I also mention that Constantine rebuilt the "Tomb" of Jesus in Jerusalem that once was a pagan site?

Hmm...

I don't hate God, I hate man trying to pretend to be God.

You still are confusing Romanism with Christianity. No wonder you are tending toward agnosticism. You have been looking at folks who are pretending to be Christians not genuine born again Christians.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Chuckyz2]

This thread has been rudely highjacked.
SMH
Get a room guys

 

[Seedz]

You still are confusing Romanism with Christianity. No wonder you are tending toward agnosticism. You have been looking at folks who are pretending to be Christians not genuine born again Christians.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

OK, where else did Christianity come from? Are you telling me that some of the attendants to said councils like Athanasius of alexandria who pushed the 27 NT books to be cannon is not an influence in the most Christian of Christian assemblies of today?

You do not know history, that is why you are a Christian.


Please, enlighten me.

 

[Chuckyz2]

Wow so God has to conform to your judgment and morality? I'm sorry but you don't get to do that, you don't get to just declare "if God's like this He is evil". I'm sorry but the arrogance of this comment was a bit much to me. God is just, He is also infinite in all His attributes, so His standard of justice is just as big in scope as His love and mercy are. There is only one logical way that these 3 attributes can exist together and save men. The cross and the sacrifice of the sinless lamb of God. None of these make God evil, when a man is saved God is glorified in His mercy, when a man is guilty God is glorified in His perfect justice, for you to declare that if God punishes wickedness, He is evil just does not make any sense to me at all. I also am not saying you can't have and/or share your opinions, it's just absolute moral judgements on the character of God like that come off way harsh and unbelievably arrogant to me, even though that was not your intention I'm sure. You say " Any God that would cast his own child into eternal punishment is a evil God. Period." I agree, good thing that's not the case with the true God. God brought this child into the world and was rejected by the child, He then took His time and taught us right from wrong with the law and the promise of redemption, then He actually took on human flesh, stepped into time and space and condemned sin in the flesh. He then laid down His life, took the full wrath of God due to us for our transgressions so that we might believe and take the free gift of reconciliation with Him. He could do any more to save us from our ignorant rebellion. This is not just "god casting His children in the fire", He had done EVERYTHING to keep us from that, in love He says "Come.", so I feel your whole point is based on a false view of who God is and is totally ignoring everything else but your feelings. . Just because you can't stomach the natural consequences of sin does not make God evil for punishing it.

That's funny because that is exactly what I did. If God was a god that cast his own children into eternal punishment, he would be the devil.
I do get to do that because the Bible says God loves and saves all people.
You go on ahead and worship Satan.
God is a loving God.
Those with love in them know this.
Your theology is full of contradictions and holes.
You should hear yourself. But you cant see the simple truth.
Loving Father/eternal punishment.
Id hate to be your kid.

 

[Chuckyz2]

OK, where else did Christianity come from? Are you telling me that some of the attendants to said councils like Athanasius of alexandria who pushed the 27 NT books to be cannon is not an influence in the most Christian of Christian assemblies of today?

You do not know history, that is why you are a Christian.


Please, enlighten me.

Get a room guys