You super impose the "great tribulation = God's wrath"
[…]
or maybe post what you believe and why in detail
First off, let me just clarify that I believe the phrase "
great tribulation [or, 'the
great tribulation']" refers ONLY to
the second half of the future 7-yrs... and that His "wrath" starts
well before that point, in the chronology. But that's not the main point I came on here to say...
Here's how I am seeing the various aspects of
"WRATH" (I only have time to quote partial passages here, presently... plus, the post will be long enough already, and few read lengthy material anyway
) -
"wrath" (pertaining to 70ad, and how He used their "enemies" in the events of same):
--
Luke 21:23,20 (in the 70ad section of the Olivet Discourse) "and
WRATH upon this people"... "when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies"
--
Matthew 22:7 (in the 70ad part of the SEQUENCE) "when the king heard,
HE WAS WROTH: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city."
--
Luke 19:41-44, esp. v43 (Jesus, to Jerusalem, on Palm Sunday, just before His death later that same week) "thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round,... And shall lay thee even with the ground... because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."
As for the "far-future" aspect of
"wrath," I see this:
--"for God has not appointed US ['the Church which is His body'] to WRATH..." (1Th5:9-10, in the context of the 1Th5:2-3 passage I'm always pointing out with its parallels [Matt24:
4/Mk13:
5; 2Th2:7b-
8a; 2Th2:
9a/Dan9:
27a[26];
i.e. SEAL #1 at the START of the 7-yrs [i.e. the ARRIVAL of "the man of sin" at the ARRIVAL of the DOTL time period]); and... "the one delivering US out from the
WRATH coming" 1Th1:10 (and eschatological "wrath"--taking place "on the earth")
--and how the wording of 2 Thessalonians 2:7b-8a ( ^ )
is very similar to that of Lamentations 2:3-4 (
in the context of "WRATH" words and "judgments" on Israel [i.e. how He operates]), where it [2Th2:7-8] says, "the one restraining,
will restrain,
UNTIL out of the midst he be come [come to be], AND THEN shall that Wicked be revealed..." and Lam2:3-4 says (in very similar language), "...
he hath drawn back his right hand from before the enemy [effectively saying (to their enemy) '
HAVE AT IT!'/'
go ahead, sic 'em!'], and he burned against Jacob like a flaming fire,
which devoureth round about."
--the "
whose COMING" v.9a and the v.8a "be revealed" of the "man of sin" is at the START of the 7-yrs, equivalent to the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR (1Th5:
2-3); Matt24:
4/Mk13:
5 G5100 -
tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE']"
i.e. SEAL #1 rider of the white horse with a "bow" (often representing "deception"), parallel with Dan9:27a[26 - "prince THAT
SHALL COME"... and "
for ONE WEEK [7-yrs]"]--so this in 2Th2:8a and 9a is at the START of the 7-yrs, not at its MIDDLE, and not at its END; 2Th2:3-9a is covering ALL 7 yrs (in its THREE PARTS: its BEGINNING, its MIDDLE, its END), just as Dan9:27[26] is: its BEGINNING, its MIDDLE, its END [7-yrs total]
I believe the "wrath" STARTS when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" (Isa3:13 / Rev4-5), when He Himself opens the FIRST SEAL at the START of the 7-yr period (the "
IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period spoken of in Rev1:
1[4:1/1:19c(7:3)] and Lk18:
8[/17:26-37] and also Rom16:
20 (<--but
this verse referring to US, "the Church which is His body," doing the 1Cor6:3[14] thing
in/from a distinct location from where the other two passages' contexts will unfold/play out "on the earth"--one of the
reasons for our "Rapture/Departure" [IN THE AIR])
