How holy do you think Mary's womb could be?
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After all the back and forth, I'm still confused. Was or was not Mary's womb holy after the birth of Jesus? I can not find a single scripture that supports either, so the only thing we have is the definition of holy to work from. From dictionary.reference.com/browse/holy we have a comprehensive definition.
[h=2]ho·ly[/h] [hoh-lee] Show IPA
adjective, ho·li·er, ho·li·est. 1. specially recognized as or declared sacred by religious use or authority; consecrated: holy ground.
2. dedicated or devoted to the service of God, the church, or religion: a holy man.
3. saintly; godly; pious; devout: a holy life.
4. having a spiritually pure quality: a holy love.
5. entitled to worship or veneration as or as if sacred: a holy relic.
6. religious: holy rites.
7. inspiring fear, awe, or grave distress: The director, when angry, is a holy terror.
noun, plural ho·lies. 8. a place of worship; sacred place; sanctuary.
Origin:
before 900; Middle English holi, Old English hālig, variant of hāleg, equivalent to hāl whole + -eg -y[SUP]1 [/SUP]; cognate with Dutch, German heilig, Old Norse heilagr
Can be confused: holey, holy, wholly.
Synonyms
1. blessed. Holy, sacred, consecrated, hallowed imply possession of a sanctity that is the object of religious veneration. Holy refers to the divine, that which has its sanctity directly from God or is connected with Him: Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Something that is sacred while sometimes accepted as entitled to religious veneration, may have its sanctity from human authority: a sacred oath. Something that is consecrated is specially or formally dedicated to some religious use: a life consecrated to service. Something that is hallowed has been made holy by being worshiped: a hallowed shrine. 4. spiritual.
Antonyms
3, 4. corrupt, impious.
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World English Dictionary
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[TD="class: td2, colspan: 2"]— adj , holier , holiest [/TD]
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[TD="class: td3n2"]of, relating to, or associated with God or a deity; sacred [/TD]
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[TD="class: td3n2"]endowed or invested with extreme purity or sublimity [/TD]
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[TD="class: td3n2"]devout, godly, or virtuous [/TD]
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[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"]4. [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]holier-than-thou offensively sanctimonious or self-righteous: a holier-than-thou attitude [/TD]
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[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"] [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]a. a difficult or frightening person [/TD]
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[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"] [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]b. informal ( Irish ) a person who is an active gambler, womanizer, etc [/TD]
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[TD="class: td2, colspan: 2"]— n , holier , holiest , -lies [/TD]
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[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"]6. [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]a. a sacred place [/TD]
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[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"] [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]b. ( functioning as plural ) the holy persons or things invested with holiness [/TD]
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[TD="class: td5, colspan: 2"][Old English hālig, hǣlig; related to Old Saxon hēlag, Gothic hailags, German heilig; see hallow ] [/TD]
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Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
2009 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins
Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009
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Etymonline
Word Origin & History
holy
O.E. halig "holy," from P.Gmc. *khailagas (cf. O.N. heilagr, Ger. heilig, Goth. hailags "holy"), adopted at conversion for L. sanctus. Primary (pre-Christian) meaning is not impossible to determine, but it was probably "that must be preserved whole or intact, that cannot be transgressed or violated,"
I can find enough there to justify either position, but I believe that the bulk of the definition leans toward "It was not". The mere fact that she had children with Joseph after Christ was born, supports my position. She was a human vessel to bring Christ into the world. The fact that she was a virgin before, during, and through Christ's birth was to erase any doubt that Christ was not the Holy One. Should we worship Mary, or pray to her? Absolutely not! Use the Lord's Prayer as an example. We should pray directly to God. It begins "Our Father". Jesus went on to tell us to ask in His name in several scriptures.
This is the best that I can do.
[h=2]ho·ly[/h] [hoh-lee] Show IPA
adjective, ho·li·er, ho·li·est. 1. specially recognized as or declared sacred by religious use or authority; consecrated: holy ground.
2. dedicated or devoted to the service of God, the church, or religion: a holy man.
3. saintly; godly; pious; devout: a holy life.
4. having a spiritually pure quality: a holy love.
5. entitled to worship or veneration as or as if sacred: a holy relic.
6. religious: holy rites.
7. inspiring fear, awe, or grave distress: The director, when angry, is a holy terror.
noun, plural ho·lies. 8. a place of worship; sacred place; sanctuary.
Origin:
before 900; Middle English holi, Old English hālig, variant of hāleg, equivalent to hāl whole + -eg -y[SUP]1 [/SUP]; cognate with Dutch, German heilig, Old Norse heilagr
Can be confused: holey, holy, wholly.
Synonyms
1. blessed. Holy, sacred, consecrated, hallowed imply possession of a sanctity that is the object of religious veneration. Holy refers to the divine, that which has its sanctity directly from God or is connected with Him: Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Something that is sacred while sometimes accepted as entitled to religious veneration, may have its sanctity from human authority: a sacred oath. Something that is consecrated is specially or formally dedicated to some religious use: a life consecrated to service. Something that is hallowed has been made holy by being worshiped: a hallowed shrine. 4. spiritual.
Antonyms
3, 4. corrupt, impious.
Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2014.
Cite This Source |
Link To holy
Collins
World English Dictionary
[TABLE]
[TR="class: tr1"]
[TD="class: td1, colspan: 2"]holy (ˈhəʊlɪ) [/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 2"] [/TD]
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[TD="class: td2, colspan: 2"]— adj , holier , holiest [/TD]
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[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"]1. [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]of, relating to, or associated with God or a deity; sacred [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: tr3"]
[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"]2. [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]endowed or invested with extreme purity or sublimity [/TD]
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[TR="class: tr3"]
[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"]3. [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]devout, godly, or virtuous [/TD]
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[TR="class: tr3"]
[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"]4. [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]holier-than-thou offensively sanctimonious or self-righteous: a holier-than-thou attitude [/TD]
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[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"]5. [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]holy terror [/TD]
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[TR="class: tr3"]
[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"] [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]a. a difficult or frightening person [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: tr3"]
[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"] [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]b. informal ( Irish ) a person who is an active gambler, womanizer, etc [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: tr2"]
[TD="class: td2, colspan: 2"]— n , holier , holiest , -lies [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: tr3"]
[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"]6. [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]a. a sacred place [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: tr3"]
[TD="class: td3n1, width: 1%, align: right"] [/TD]
[TD="class: td3n2"]b. ( functioning as plural ) the holy persons or things invested with holiness [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"] [/TD]
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[TR="class: tr5"]
[TD="class: td5, colspan: 2"][Old English hālig, hǣlig; related to Old Saxon hēlag, Gothic hailags, German heilig; see hallow ] [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
2009 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins
Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009
Cite This Source
Etymonline
Word Origin & History
holy
O.E. halig "holy," from P.Gmc. *khailagas (cf. O.N. heilagr, Ger. heilig, Goth. hailags "holy"), adopted at conversion for L. sanctus. Primary (pre-Christian) meaning is not impossible to determine, but it was probably "that must be preserved whole or intact, that cannot be transgressed or violated,"
I can find enough there to justify either position, but I believe that the bulk of the definition leans toward "It was not". The mere fact that she had children with Joseph after Christ was born, supports my position. She was a human vessel to bring Christ into the world. The fact that she was a virgin before, during, and through Christ's birth was to erase any doubt that Christ was not the Holy One. Should we worship Mary, or pray to her? Absolutely not! Use the Lord's Prayer as an example. We should pray directly to God. It begins "Our Father". Jesus went on to tell us to ask in His name in several scriptures.
This is the best that I can do.
I agree and will add it cannot be both.......The Jews taught TRADITIONS in addition to Scripture and in place of scripture which rendered the truth VOID...WAKE UP....Catholics worship IDOLS, NAIL CLIPPINGS, BONE FRAGMENTS, STATUES, MEN, WOMEN which makes VOID THE TRUE WORSHIP OF GOD.....
The BIBLE...
1. CALL NO MAN FATHER ON THIS EARTH
2. ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN his name is JESUS not PAPA
3. NO IMAGES OF ANYTHING ON THE EARTH, IN THE SEA, IN THE HEAVENS
4. JESUS IS NOT ON A CROSS, WAS NOT SOME GOOD LOOKING LOIN CLOTHED FLOWING BROWN HAIRED HANDSOME RECOGNIZABLE MAN
5. MARY HAS NO INTECESSORY POWER
WAKE UP AND LET THE BIBLE SPEAK and quit trusting pedophile false prophets!
The BIBLE...
1. CALL NO MAN FATHER ON THIS EARTH
2. ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN his name is JESUS not PAPA
3. NO IMAGES OF ANYTHING ON THE EARTH, IN THE SEA, IN THE HEAVENS
4. JESUS IS NOT ON A CROSS, WAS NOT SOME GOOD LOOKING LOIN CLOTHED FLOWING BROWN HAIRED HANDSOME RECOGNIZABLE MAN
5. MARY HAS NO INTECESSORY POWER
WAKE UP AND LET THE BIBLE SPEAK and quit trusting pedophile false prophets!
Well if you believe Catholic doctrine good luck with that........dude your religion murdered 60 to 80 million Ana-Baptist, Waldenses, Albigenses, Paulicians, Donatists etc. throughout history and now your priests regularly rape little boys......how can you possible believe your religion is from God....
Wake up before you star in New Rice Krispies commercial...Snap, Crackle, POP
Wake up before you star in New Rice Krispies commercial...Snap, Crackle, POP
A. Stop listening to the liberal media. The Priests are not pedophiles. That's like saying all marines are baby killers because a couple of them did so in Vietnam.
B. The Donatists agreed dogmatically with the Church. They just thought you had to be perfect and never sin again or else be damned to Hell forever.
C. Protestants murdered many Catholics. We both have Christian blood on our hands.
B. The Donatists agreed dogmatically with the Church. They just thought you had to be perfect and never sin again or else be damned to Hell forever.
C. Protestants murdered many Catholics. We both have Christian blood on our hands.
First, I am not a protestant
Second, Jesus started the first church some 300 years before the Johnny come lately Catholic Church
Third, The truth taught in TRUE CHURCHES can be traced via what is taught all the way back to Jesus
Fourth, The true churches are not Protestant Churches which are tied to the reformation and ultimately have roots in the Catholic Church
Fifth, WAKE UP TO THE TRUTH before you die in your sins and end up some place you do not want to be!
OH, I don't listen to liberal media....pedophiles are through and through as the Catholic Hierarchy has done a good job paying people off and sweeping it under the rug while moving them from one diocese to another.....
Second, Jesus started the first church some 300 years before the Johnny come lately Catholic Church
Third, The truth taught in TRUE CHURCHES can be traced via what is taught all the way back to Jesus
Fourth, The true churches are not Protestant Churches which are tied to the reformation and ultimately have roots in the Catholic Church
Fifth, WAKE UP TO THE TRUTH before you die in your sins and end up some place you do not want to be!
OH, I don't listen to liberal media....pedophiles are through and through as the Catholic Hierarchy has done a good job paying people off and sweeping it under the rug while moving them from one diocese to another.....
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