How holy do you think Mary's womb could be?
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Elizabeth,
It says; "before they came together".
If someone says to you "Jane Public had no children before she died.", then are we to presuppose that she had children after she died? Of course not.
So then you can see that saying Mary was with child "before they (Mary and Joseph) came together" is only emphasizing that Joseph was not the biological father of this child. It verifies nothing in regards to the argument that Jesus had siblings.
You're making a mistake common to the English language, especially common around here.
It says; "before they came together".
If someone says to you "Jane Public had no children before she died.", then are we to presuppose that she had children after she died? Of course not.
So then you can see that saying Mary was with child "before they (Mary and Joseph) came together" is only emphasizing that Joseph was not the biological father of this child. It verifies nothing in regards to the argument that Jesus had siblings.
You're making a mistake common to the English language, especially common around here.
The story is: Joseph had fiance, her name is Mary. And Mary pregnant. Joseph aware and plan to break the relationship.
Then God tell Joseph to Marry Mary.
God the one who told Joseph to marry Mary. And it is legal for married man to have a sex with his wife. And sex in married is holy not sin.
Why some people believe if Mary have sex with his husband is a sin and not holy anymore?
What do you think when God command Joseph to marry Mary? Mean no sex? Can one show in the bible that God prohibit married couple have a sex?
Then God tell Joseph to Marry Mary.
God the one who told Joseph to marry Mary. And it is legal for married man to have a sex with his wife. And sex in married is holy not sin.
Why some people believe if Mary have sex with his husband is a sin and not holy anymore?
What do you think when God command Joseph to marry Mary? Mean no sex? Can one show in the bible that God prohibit married couple have a sex?
K
Mary was visited by the Holy Spirit and placed in her womb the Son of God. Mary was betrothed to Joseph and they had not consummated their wedding. Under law, Joseph could of had her stoned to death and made an open show and He considered putting her away quietly. Meaning she would be a widow the rest of her life.
So clearly this child was not His or anyone else. Because in a dream God told him not to do as he thought.
Then after Jesus was born. They consummated their marriage and had other children. Joseph is not mentioned much after the birth of Jesus. Some say he died prematurely or he had trouble excepting the fact that she was pregnant without sex. IDK. I know from the bible that he was not present at the cross and other times when His family came to see Him.
So clearly this child was not His or anyone else. Because in a dream God told him not to do as he thought.
Then after Jesus was born. They consummated their marriage and had other children. Joseph is not mentioned much after the birth of Jesus. Some say he died prematurely or he had trouble excepting the fact that she was pregnant without sex. IDK. I know from the bible that he was not present at the cross and other times when His family came to see Him.
Well, how about this...
Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
The word "knew" here is...
γινώσκω - ginōskō
And Thayer has this...
G1097
γινώσκω
ginōskō
Thayer Definition:
1) to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel
1a) to become known
2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of
2a) to understand
2b) to know
3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman
4) to become acquainted with, to know
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a prolonged form of a primary verb
Citing in TDNT: 1:689, 119
The other definitions don't fit here, Joseph knew who she was prior to the birth of Jesus, so to say it had to do with becoming acquainted with here is fallacy.
The word "till" here means...
G2193
ἕως
heōs
heh'-oce
Of uncertain affinity; a conjugation, preposition and adverb of continuance, until (of time and place): - even (until, unto), (as) far (as), how long, (un-) til (-l), (hither-, un-, up) to, while (-s).
And means that the act was consummated after a certain time had passed or event had taken place. In this case the birth of Christ was the event and Joseph did not "know" Mary UNTIL that even occurred. So what happened after the birth of Christ?
Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mat 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Joseph and Mary did exactly what married people do and had the results to prove it.
Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
The word "knew" here is...
γινώσκω - ginōskō
And Thayer has this...
G1097
γινώσκω
ginōskō
Thayer Definition:
1) to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel
1a) to become known
2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of
2a) to understand
2b) to know
3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman
4) to become acquainted with, to know
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a prolonged form of a primary verb
Citing in TDNT: 1:689, 119
The other definitions don't fit here, Joseph knew who she was prior to the birth of Jesus, so to say it had to do with becoming acquainted with here is fallacy.
The word "till" here means...
G2193
ἕως
heōs
heh'-oce
Of uncertain affinity; a conjugation, preposition and adverb of continuance, until (of time and place): - even (until, unto), (as) far (as), how long, (un-) til (-l), (hither-, un-, up) to, while (-s).
And means that the act was consummated after a certain time had passed or event had taken place. In this case the birth of Christ was the event and Joseph did not "know" Mary UNTIL that even occurred. So what happened after the birth of Christ?
Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mat 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Joseph and Mary did exactly what married people do and had the results to prove it.
They cannot my friend...
Who created sex?
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
This includes the part of our anatomy that is responsible for reproduction and pleasure. David wrote about the body...
Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
When God created man and woman and made them with the necessary apparatus to produce children, what did He say about it?
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Satan is the one who has caused humans to view sex as something shameful and dirty...
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
After taking the fruit of the wrong tree, how did they feel? They felt like they needed to cover themselves. Why? They didn't feel that way when God created them perfect in every aspect. Only after they learned of evil did they feel like this.
Sex is not a necessary evil, it is a wonderful, wholesome, good gift God has given to be used within His Laws that produces good fruit on many levels.
Who created sex?
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
This includes the part of our anatomy that is responsible for reproduction and pleasure. David wrote about the body...
Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
When God created man and woman and made them with the necessary apparatus to produce children, what did He say about it?
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Satan is the one who has caused humans to view sex as something shameful and dirty...
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
After taking the fruit of the wrong tree, how did they feel? They felt like they needed to cover themselves. Why? They didn't feel that way when God created them perfect in every aspect. Only after they learned of evil did they feel like this.
Sex is not a necessary evil, it is a wonderful, wholesome, good gift God has given to be used within His Laws that produces good fruit on many levels.
I agree, even though I did post my answer to this question. But I don't believe I have ever called anyone a heretic (at least not intentionally and definitely not using that word). I just think it is important not to worship, pray, or even ask Mary to pray for us.
The main thing I want people to understand is that Mary is not the Mother of God and that we should not pray to Mary or worship any man, woman, "saint", or angel. I believe that this practice is potentially.....let's say problematic.
The main thing I want people to understand is that Mary is not the Mother of God and that we should not pray to Mary or worship any man, woman, "saint", or angel. I believe that this practice is potentially.....let's say problematic.
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Mary died 2000 years ago you cant ask her anything
Womb holiness is not a Bible doctrine.
We need to stick with Bible truths not man made idols.
Jesus refused people who wanted to bless mary.
Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Luke 11:28 But he said, No! rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it!
Womb holiness is not a Bible doctrine.
We need to stick with Bible truths not man made idols.
Jesus refused people who wanted to bless mary.
Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Luke 11:28 But he said, No! rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it!
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When someone tried to bless mary's womb, Jesus himself said NO!
Jesus said so himself
menounge:G3304
NO, RATHER
King james translaters didnt want their head chopped off so they deliberately put in the opposite of the original word
real true translation is a problem when you do it under a king who is head of the church and chops off heads
just look it up yourself...
other translations get it right since they were translated under a republic and the translators were not afraid
Jesus said so himself
menounge:G3304
NO, RATHER
King james translaters didnt want their head chopped off so they deliberately put in the opposite of the original word
real true translation is a problem when you do it under a king who is head of the church and chops off heads
just look it up yourself...
other translations get it right since they were translated under a republic and the translators were not afraid
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