How to be Born Again
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It appears that you really don't understand.
Again, the point is that all of the verses I quoted indicate clearly that election is for service.
None of the verses I quote indicate that election is for salvation.
Are you with me so far?
Now, why haven't you quoted any verses that to indicate that election is for salvation?
But I agree with your comment above. You've done "absolutely nothing" to support your claims from Scripture.
Again, the point is that all of the verses I quoted indicate clearly that election is for service.
None of the verses I quote indicate that election is for salvation.
Are you with me so far?
Now, why haven't you quoted any verses that to indicate that election is for salvation?
But I agree with your comment above. You've done "absolutely nothing" to support your claims from Scripture.
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Some deceived/confused believers on this thread will tell you that God unconditionally chooses who to save and regenerate. And AFTER He regenerates them, they WILL believe.
Love, joy, peace, etc are for those who are saved and filled with the Spirit.
The question of how to be born again has already been addressed. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved and born again.
But when believers throw in false doctrines, they must be addressed and corrected.
Are you familiar with Titus 1-
10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group.
11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
False doctrine must always be rebuked.
Love, joy, peace, etc are for those who are saved and filled with the Spirit.
The question of how to be born again has already been addressed. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved and born again.
But when believers throw in false doctrines, they must be addressed and corrected.
Are you familiar with Titus 1-
10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group.
11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
False doctrine must always be rebuked.
The Gospel is hidden from the lost unregenerate so how can he believe whats hidden ? Satan has blinded their mind so they believe not 2 Cor 4:3
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
lol. this is beyond absurd. You're the one who still hasn't provided any verse that says election is to salvation, and I have provided many verses that clearly state that election is to service.
I'll prove it again. Just for you.
1 Cor 10-
26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth.
27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,
29 so that no one may boast before him.
I've color coded these verse to make it easier to see my proof that election is to service.
Red words - God's choosing or electing.
Blue words - the purpose of God's choosing/electing.
Are you going to argue that 'shaming the strong', or 'nullifying the things that are' is salvation?
That would be quite absurd. This passage proves that God chooses people (foolish things, weak things, lowly things and things that are not) to shame and nullify.
Service, not salvation.
Now, go ahead and continue to prove your failure to grasp these very simple and clear points by denying the evidence that is presented here.
Or address this passage and explain clearly how I am wrong.
I'll prove it again. Just for you.
1 Cor 10-
26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth.
27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,
29 so that no one may boast before him.
I've color coded these verse to make it easier to see my proof that election is to service.
Red words - God's choosing or electing.
Blue words - the purpose of God's choosing/electing.
Are you going to argue that 'shaming the strong', or 'nullifying the things that are' is salvation?
That would be quite absurd. This passage proves that God chooses people (foolish things, weak things, lowly things and things that are not) to shame and nullify.
Service, not salvation.
Now, go ahead and continue to prove your failure to grasp these very simple and clear points by denying the evidence that is presented here.
Or address this passage and explain clearly how I am wrong.
What should be obvious is that Satan "deceives the whole world". He does that by various ways.
To answer HOW an unbeliever can believe what's "hidden" is simply to hear the gospel. They then have a choice; believe it or reject it.
It is clear from Cornelius and Heb 11:6 that unbelievers (the unsaved) CAN and DO seek God. It is those who DON'T who Satan hides the gospel from.
To answer HOW an unbeliever can believe what's "hidden" is simply to hear the gospel. They then have a choice; believe it or reject it.
It is clear from Cornelius and Heb 11:6 that unbelievers (the unsaved) CAN and DO seek God. It is those who DON'T who Satan hides the gospel from.
I love the fact that you call yourself "freeGrace2" and have no concept of what "Free Grace" is. You should have called yourself, "FreeWill2".
Free Grace is based on the concept of a completely unmerited Salvation. Free Will places man as the determinate factor. Therefore, if man is the determinate factor, it becomes a work, and thus, not unmerited GRACE.
Everyone who believes that man's will is the determinate factor denies God's Sovereignty and His Power. They are guilty of raising man's will above God's will. Thus, the creature becomes more powerful than the Creator. God and God alone is the determinate factor in all things, including Salvation. Nothing has changed with God since the days of Daniel:
Dan 2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
Now see what God does, whether man likes it or not:
Dan 2:21 1.) And he changeth the times and the seasons: (He is in control of the seasons and weather - not "mother nature" nor man)
2.) he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: (Therefore He determines who will be President and who will not)
3). he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: (Without this, man is just a fool - ever studying and never able to come to the Truth)
4.) Dan 2:22 he revealeth the deep and secret things: 6.) he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
7.) Dan 2:23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast now made known unto me what we desired of thee: for thou hast made known unto us the king's matter. ( God made known to His chosen four - not to any others - it is now written for His people).
Man being DEAD in trespass and sins, spiritually speaking - (Spiritually.... not physically - man did not die on the spot but he did loose his communion with God.) - must be given spiritual life (the New Birth) before he/she can do anything to please God. In the New Birth, the believer is drawn in the direction of Christ by the Holy Spirit.
How can one who is yet DEAD put there belief on Christ and then be made alive. Obviously, by all common sense and logic, one must be ALIVE in order to believe. Therefore, you do not believe in Christ and then are born again. You are born again and then you believe in Christ Jesus.
Therefore, God is the one who moves first in the believers life and the believer responds. This harmonizes with the points 1-7 in Daniel above and all of Scripture. It is also the teaching of John 3:3-10, a subject that Nicodemus was ignorant of. In John 3:7, "Being born again", in the Greek text, is in the "Passive Voice". This means, the one being acted upon by the Holy Spirit has no part to play in this New Birth, he/hhe is passive. The believer has no more part to play in the "NEW BIRTH" (Spiritual), than he/she had in their actual birth (Physical).
Free Grace is based on the concept of a completely unmerited Salvation. Free Will places man as the determinate factor. Therefore, if man is the determinate factor, it becomes a work, and thus, not unmerited GRACE.
Everyone who believes that man's will is the determinate factor denies God's Sovereignty and His Power. They are guilty of raising man's will above God's will. Thus, the creature becomes more powerful than the Creator. God and God alone is the determinate factor in all things, including Salvation. Nothing has changed with God since the days of Daniel:
Dan 2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
Now see what God does, whether man likes it or not:
Dan 2:21 1.) And he changeth the times and the seasons: (He is in control of the seasons and weather - not "mother nature" nor man)
2.) he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: (Therefore He determines who will be President and who will not)
3). he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: (Without this, man is just a fool - ever studying and never able to come to the Truth)
4.) Dan 2:22 he revealeth the deep and secret things: 6.) he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
7.) Dan 2:23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast now made known unto me what we desired of thee: for thou hast made known unto us the king's matter. ( God made known to His chosen four - not to any others - it is now written for His people).
Man being DEAD in trespass and sins, spiritually speaking - (Spiritually.... not physically - man did not die on the spot but he did loose his communion with God.) - must be given spiritual life (the New Birth) before he/she can do anything to please God. In the New Birth, the believer is drawn in the direction of Christ by the Holy Spirit.
How can one who is yet DEAD put there belief on Christ and then be made alive. Obviously, by all common sense and logic, one must be ALIVE in order to believe. Therefore, you do not believe in Christ and then are born again. You are born again and then you believe in Christ Jesus.
Therefore, God is the one who moves first in the believers life and the believer responds. This harmonizes with the points 1-7 in Daniel above and all of Scripture. It is also the teaching of John 3:3-10, a subject that Nicodemus was ignorant of. In John 3:7, "Being born again", in the Greek text, is in the "Passive Voice". This means, the one being acted upon by the Holy Spirit has no part to play in this New Birth, he/hhe is passive. The believer has no more part to play in the "NEW BIRTH" (Spiritual), than he/she had in their actual birth (Physical).
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