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Annata

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TrustInJesus said:
Its one of the few things I have to give. I find it more effective to honestly admit that I dont know and to look to learn more so that I can understand, than to dishonestly debate something that I do not fully understand. Dishonesty isnt a very good teacher I've found.
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I respect that attitude. In speaking with someone like you, I could never imagine we'd be at loggerheads, or in one of those situations that's like 'your opinion is more valid than mine'. I certainly appreciate a person who takes the time to understand the other argument even if they don't agree with it, rather than refute it with the assertion 'youre wrong' and little else.

I admire you.

Keep searching and you'll find the answers that make sense to you.
 
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TrustInJesus

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Its written in the New Testament that love is patient and kind, as well sd that love is the greatest commandment. I'd fear Id be a hypocrite if I did not treat those who I disagree with with the same respect as someone I fully agree with. If I am going to sit here and call myself a Christian I feel Id better behave in the manner I should.
 
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just-me

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Sophia1993 said:
I've been confused about this, so please help me understand. I've heard people say he is and isn't. Which is it?
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Try putting these scriptures together and you will find your answer through fervent prayer.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Colossians 1:15-16 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

John 14:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 1:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 Corinthians 15:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 
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Annata

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TrustInJesus said:
Its written in the New Testament that love is patient and kind, as well sd that love is the greatest commandment. I'd fear Id be a hypocrite if I did not treat those who I disagree with with the same respect as someone I fully agree with.
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I'd be guilty of the latter on occasions. It's probably something I could do better with. I find it hard to get past a person whose argument I comprehend yet who seems to take no mind to comprehend the one I propose. Often I find myself explaining the same things to answers of 'no, that's incorrect' and then some unrelated point is made. I want to ask them, 'well why is it incorrect other than because you say ''That's not right''??

But yea. I probably come across arrogant. Really all I want is people to look at other angles besides their own. At least if people understand the other viewpoints they can realize why people may be convected of them.

Like you.

I've said some things to you and you've said 'I don't agree, but I'll try to understand'. That's always my attitude. It's just the case that on this thread I haven't heard an argument that I haven't heard before nor that I don't understand.

I wholly get why people believe in the trinity, I used to believe in it too!

The questions always stayed in my mind though, then I spoke to another gentleman and he answered them and resolved the tensions. And there I was - it made sense.
 
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What is He according to you,because at the end of the day He is going to judge all including you...is that confusing or based on a man's point of view...?
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I'm not personally a trinitarian. I'm aware that all stand before the Judgement seat of Christ, I'm not sure why you ask if that is confusing.
 
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TrustInJesus said:
Its written in the New Testament that love is patient and kind, as well sd that love is the greatest commandment. I'd fear Id be a hypocrite if I did not treat those who I disagree with with the same respect as someone I fully agree with. If I am going to sit here and call myself a Christian I feel Id better behave in the manner I should.
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AMEN. It is our job, in Christ, to reflect His light and expose sin according to His Word. That is why it is so important to quote scripture. Love the sinner, and hate the sin, for sin is the entity that separates us from our Father in heaven.

Day before yesterday I quoted James on a thread about works and faith. There was one who rejected that quote even without me saying anything in addition. The reason they rejected it was that they wanted me to justify it HELLO? I said God is the One who justifies so who am I to justify the justifier?:confused:

Loving others is to do all we can to expose the barrier of separation by the light of God. It's called enmity in scriptures, and sometimes we will need to mention scriptures that some feel were abolished. What a shame when predetermination of one's righteousness causes blindness.
 
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I am placing scripture here to be considered. It has always been very important to me, and my attitude is shaped by this important knowledge. As far as I have always believed, anyone who believes Yeshua, Jesus, has passed judgment, having confessed being a sinner who needs His blessed Salvation. Death, the power of sin, no longer has reign whatsoever over any of us, and we have nothing to fear of the second death. Here is that scripture:

Joh 5:24
 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation (other versions say judgment); but is passed from death unto life.


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I'm not personally a trinitarian. I'm aware that all stand before the Judgement seat of Christ, I'm not sure why you ask if that is confusing.
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fozi

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Jesus is not God or son of God.He is prophet of God almighty.
 
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In your post you call Yahweh's writings preserved for the faithful a lie. Why are you here? To blaspheme? If you are not in Christ you are anti-Christ in your declarations. A prophet of God is only a prophet of God if His teachings are correct. Of course Christ's teachings are correct because, as you say He is a prophet of God, but what you do not comprehend is, He is God. Are you with those with the big agenda?

fozi said:
Jesus is not God or son of God.He is prophet of God almighty.
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Rom.1 [7] ... God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Cor.1[3] ... from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Cor.1[2] ... from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ
Eph.1[2] ... from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ
Phil.1[2] ... from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ
Col.1[2] ... from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ
1Thes.1[1] ... in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ
1Thes.1[1] ... from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ
2Thes.1[1] ... in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ
2Thes.1[2] ... from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ
1Tim.1[2] ... from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord
Phlm.1 ... from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ
John.6[27] ... the Son of man ... God the Father sealed.
1Cor.8[6] ... there is but one God, the Father, ... and one Lord Jesus Christ
Gal.1[1] ... by Jesus Christ, and God the Father
Gal.1[3] ... from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ
Eph.6[23] ... from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ
Phil.2[11] ... that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father
1Thes.1[1] ... in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ
1Thes.1[1] ... from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ
2Tim.1[2] ... from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord
Tit.1[4] ... from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour
2Pet.1[17] ... from God the Father ... This is my beloved Son
2John.1[3] ... from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father
Jude.1[1] ... sanctified by God the Father,and preserved in Jesus Christ
 
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Annata

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JaumeJ said:
In your post you call Yahweh's writings preserved for the faithful a lie. Why are you here? To blaspheme? If you are not in Christ you are anti-Christ in your declarations. A prophet of God is only a prophet of God if His teachings are correct. Of course Christ's teachings are correct because, as you say He is a prophet of God, but what you do not comprehend is, He is God. Are you with those with the big agenda?
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I'm not muslim and I don't believe Jesus is the same as God either. Lots of people don't, and lots of them are christian. Would you take such a hard stance against someone who said what she said, if they were 'christian' in label and not 'muslim'?
 
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Who is a Moslem? My reply is to a post. Sorry if I do not satisfy a need for confrontation.
 
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Annata

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JaumeJ said:
Who is a Moslem? My reply is to a post. Sorry if I do not satisfy a need for confrontation.
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Right. But you wouldn't, would you? Cause oneness scriptural interpretations are acceptable for christians to have, aren't they?
 
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Annata said:
Right. But you wouldn't, would you? Cause oneness scriptural interpretations are acceptable for christians to have, aren't they?
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He wasn't really posting regarding oneness or trinity. The muslim poster stated that Jesus is not divine at all, whether it be as God himself or the Son of God. That's not an acceptable statement for Non-Trinitarians or Trinitarians. At least that's how I read it, someone has to rebuke such talk.
 
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Sophia1993

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I just want everyone to know that I read and spent time alone on this question that I asked. At first I was confused, then denied the truth. Now I know the truth. That Jesus is God. I think I was confused on the Trinity, but I have a better understanding of it now, even though it is still a little confusing. The father SON and Holy Spirit are one God, but all 3 are distinct. Right?
 
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Annata said:
I'm not muslim and I don't believe Jesus is the same as God either. Lots of people don't, and lots of them are christian. Would you take such a hard stance against someone who said what she said, if they were 'christian' in label and not 'muslim'?
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This should clear up any questions...........

FROM PROFILE PAGE:

Age24 About Annata

Gender:male
Marital Status:not married

Spiritual Status:not Christian

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Country (Location):United Kingdom

just saying........ :)
 
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Sophia1993 said:
I just want everyone to know that I read and spent time alone on this question that I asked. At first I was confused, then denied the truth. Now I know the truth. That Jesus is God. I think I was confused on the Trinity, but I have a better understanding of it now, even though it is still a little confusing. The father SON and Holy Spirit are one God, but all 3 are distinct. Right?
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Yes, the Trinity doctrine is basically that all three are co-equal , co-eternal but they are not the same person(s). The Son is not the Father, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, etc...
 
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Sophia1993

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Donkeyfish07 said:
Yes, the Trinity doctrine is basically that all three are co-equal , co-eternal but they are not the same person(s). The Son is not the Father, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, etc...
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thank you. i understand now :)
 
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Annata

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p_rehbein said:
This should clear up any questions...........

FROM PROFILE PAGE:

Age24 About Annata

Gender:male
Marital Status:not married

Spiritual Status:not Christian

Country Flag/Nationality:United Kingdom
Country (Location):United Kingdom

just saying........ :)
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You, put your label before your thoughts and actions. And it's the most idiotic, narrow-minded type of religion I know. The kind that says 'if they don't wear an American flag and have the cross round their neck they aren't worthy to be heard'.

You fail to understand a simple premise - labels mean nothing.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Annata said:
You, put your label before your thoughts and actions. And it's the most idiotic, narrow-minded type of religion I know. The kind that says 'if they don't wear an American flag and have the cross round their neck they aren't worthy to be heard'.
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Of course the secular world thinks that. Loving your enemies, blessing those that curse you, and doing good to those who hate you and forgiving them is the complete opposite of the ways of this world. I pray that God touches your heart at some point, you don't know what your missing out on.
 
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