Is Medication A Form Of Sorcery?

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hornetguy

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I agree with not using medicine as a crutch, but what if you have to take it all your life so you won't die? For example, I have epilepsy. It first started when I was about 4 years old, and I have both grand mal and petit mal seizures. Now my grand mals have been under good control since 1997, but I still have petit mals regularly. Would I be considered as using my seizure meds as a crutch to get through my life without turning into a vegetative state from too many seizures cutting off oxygen to my brain?
No, of course not. That's not a crutch, that's using medical discoveries to help you live a longer, more normal life.

My idea of using medicine as a crutch would be more along the lines of "well, I've been a little stressed out lately, so I'm going to take my Xanax every day from now on"....

In many cases, medication should be used to "get you through a rough spot" but then stop taking it. Depression comes to mind.. clinical depression is a very real problem, and drugs can get you through the roughest part of that, until you can gradually wean yourself off of them, as your coping skills return.
 
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thepsalmist

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I agree statins damage your liver and are what we call "maintenance drugs" just like with blood pressure...
reduce amount of fat you eat (fried foods, heavy red meat etc) for bp ( reduce the amount of salt you consume) for cholesterol a good thing I do is eat oatmeal at nighttime (last meal before bed/dinner) oatmeal is like a sponge and absorbs the bad cholesterol (Ldl, triglycerides etc) which is predominantly made in the night....it will clear your arteries of plaque and make you more energetic as fat makes you feel sluggish....hope this helps
Oh .... OATMEAL! I will try that - thanks :)
 
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Ultimatum77

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Oh .... OATMEAL! I will try that - thanks :)
Yup I ate it for 2 straight weeks at least one meal a day (mostly nights) and it made me feel energetic much more than eating a burger...like a car you got to put good gas in it to make it run better same with the human body :) I like mine with raisins / 2 teaspoons of sugar...and sometimes cut up a banana or fruit to make it "dessert" like...
 
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thepsalmist

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Yup I ate it for 2 straight weeks at least one meal a day (mostly nights) and it made me feel energetic much more than eating a burger...like a car you got to put good gas in it to make it run better same with the human body :) I like mine with raisins / 2 teaspoons of sugar...and sometimes cut up a banana or fruit to make it "dessert" like...
Cereal is so important to us ... yes ... The B vitamins combat stress and the NIACIN combats depression - alot to do with the nervous system.

I wasn't sure how to go about getting what I needed ...I will try plain oatmeal with fruits in it- good stuff! Thanks again :)
 

hornetguy

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As if our system is not already overloaded and taxed to the max as it is.
But, wait..... I thought that socialized medicine was both cheaper AND better? You mean, (gasp) that our fearless leaders LIED to us about Obamacare? It was supposed to be a great success, because look how good Canada's system works!

(sorry... political rant off... socialized medicine is a whole other topic)


So, they wanted to regulate vitamin C???? Lock up all your bell peppers, folks!
 
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Ultimatum77

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Cereal is so important to us ... yes ... The B vitamins combat stress and the NIACIN combats depression - alot to do with the nervous system.

I wasn't sure how to go about getting what I needed ...I will try plain oatmeal with fruits in it- good stuff! Thanks again :)
Yea try to get as much as you can that is not processed...even Total Cereal brand I'm not totally sold on (pun intended) b/c it's processed...
I agree a lot of the B vitamins are essential for detoxification/antioxidative properties especially for women specifically those who are/become pregnant...especially b9 folic acid.
 

blue_ladybug

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No, of course not. That's not a crutch, that's using medical discoveries to help you live a longer, more normal life.

My idea of using medicine as a crutch would be more along the lines of "well, I've been a little stressed out lately, so I'm going to take my Xanax every day from now on"....

In many cases, medication should be used to "get you through a rough spot" but then stop taking it. Depression comes to mind.. clinical depression is a very real problem, and drugs can get you through the roughest part of that, until you can gradually wean yourself off of them, as your coping skills return.

​I'm happy to say that GOD delivered me from my depression. :) Drugs didn't..
 
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Txroads

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​I'm happy to say that GOD delivered me from my depression. :) Drugs didn't..
Holy cow... They just talked about this in church sunday.... The Greek word for sorcery was pharmika... Or something... The Greek word for alcohol was methe.. Or something.... Ok... Note to self, you just showed where your attention was in church.... Or something....
 
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Deep fried shredded wheat? Sounds like something we'd find at the State Fair...
I fell upon this guy talking about it when looking for some gardening ideas, seems he is big on gardening

[video=youtube;j4fosAmxJz8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4fosAmxJz8[/video]

And the vid just got me curious, and tried it and it was good (and I dont like shredded wheat).

But I'll try mostly anything once just out of curiosity
 

Magenta

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But, wait..... I thought that socialized medicine was both cheaper AND better? You mean, (gasp) that our fearless leaders LIED to us about Obamacare? It was supposed to be a great success, because look how good Canada's system works!

(sorry... political rant off... socialized medicine is a whole other topic)

So, they wanted to regulate vitamin C???? Lock up all your bell peppers, folks!
Oh, well, your Muslims now get free health care thanks to Obama :p It is problematic that people think our health care is free (not that you said that ;)). My monthly premium is over $70.00 a month and it may have gone up while I wasn't looking. Add to that the fact that I do not run to the doctor for every sniffle, ache and pain... so I am not the one burdening the health care system :D And yes, our government did remove some supplements from the shelves, and others were already not available here though you could get them across the border (like melatonin, which is sold here now) and they most definitely were threatening and planning to remove vitamin C from store shelves. I collected over seventy signatures to protest the move. Yay! We won :p But now we have a two tiered system because the whole thing is overloaded~ people have to wait too long for necessary surgeries, and getting a doctor to begin with can be a trial in itself. People die waiting. Literally.
 
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The title asks it all. Thoughts, opinions, and bible verses are welcome. :)
Medicine is mainly physical intervention to deal with a physical need. It works because the need is clearly identified and the kind of physical solutions applied, whether surgery, drugs or change of life style. It is very much cause and effect related and each step laid out so the path can be understood.

Sorcery has none of these properties and normally involved spiritual powers etc. or magic. The trade in sorcery is some alegiance to the powers involved for a defined outcome.

Medicine is completely neutral in regard to these areas and approaches.
 

blue_ladybug

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Holy cow... They just talked about this in church sunday.... The Greek word for sorcery was pharmika... Or something... The Greek word for alcohol was methe.. Or something.... Ok... Note to self, you just showed where your attention was in church.... Or something....
Did you know that in some countries and religions, that cows ARE indeed considered holy? :) Sure enough, it's true. Oh and "holy cow" is NOT an expletive OR explicit phrase. ;) Whoever thinks it is, truly is sorely mistaken.
 

BenFTW

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Did you know that in some countries and religions, that cows ARE indeed considered holy? :) Sure enough, it's true. Oh and "holy cow" is NOT an expletive OR explicit phrase. ;) Whoever thinks it is, truly is sorely mistaken.
They are *wholly* delicious too. lol :p
 
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Because pharmakeuó (which is where we get pharmacy and pharmaceuticals from)means to administer drugs, spells, and the combination of the two.

This is a killer thread btw. I'll be watching.

​So does that mean we should taking meds altogether? Because it's a mix of drugs and spells? Don't just watch the thread, Bushi.. Participate in it. :) That's why I made it, so people can participate in it. :)
Well here's the thing. Sorcery is Magick. Plain and simple. That is, some type of intervention through supernatural means. This means that you are ingesting things to supernaturally get better, not things that would naturally get you better through science.

Sorcery is eating a chicken's foot and chanting some type of magick to make a headache go away. A chicken's foot doesn't cure headaches, but a chicken's foot combined with a magical chant might. This is supernatural and is sorcery

Taking an IB Profin to shake a headache isn't magick. We know exactly how it works and there is science behind it. It isn't supernatural in any way and it is not sorcery.
 
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Txroads

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Did you know that in some countries and religions, that cows ARE indeed considered holy? :) Sure enough, it's true. Oh and "holy cow" is NOT an expletive OR explicit phrase. ;) Whoever thinks it is, truly is sorely mistaken.
Aww.... Luv ya blue
 

Angela53510

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This whole thread is just filled with misinformation.

I am an organic vegetarian and I have been since I was 17. So, if you don't want to look at my age, that means 45 years of careful eating and organic gardening.

It did not prevent me from getting a whole bunch of inherited auto-immune diseases. Although my cholesterol is great. From eating well for so many years, I guess.

I take a whack load of drugs. I would probably be dead without them. Instead, I am a functioning member of society. I am involved in my church, and I am a mother and grandmother. So do those of you who think I should go without drugs think I should stop them, and be a bed ridden, pain ridden person who will soon die because of the attacks on my heart, brain, kidneys and lungs? We won't even get into the pain my joint deforming RA causes me.

I will take any drug that it takes to control my diseases. That includes asthma, hyperthryrodism, Rheumtoid Arthritis, fibromyalgia and sleep disorder, caused by all the pain I am in. Yes, I got very depressed when I first had these diseases, but God did deliver me out of that depression. But that doesn't happen to everyone, especially those with chronic depression, who have had it for more than 10 years. And because of the stigma of depression, a lot of people don't get the medical help they need (read medicines) and after 10 years, it becomes very difficult to get the brain to produce the neurotransmitters it needs to maintain normal function.

The most expensive drugs I take are biologics, which cost me about $1700 a month. Minus my personal and provincial insurance and a company help, I pay $0. However, in the US, these drugs are much, much more expensive. I used to be on Rituxan, a drug you got twice, 2 weeks apart, every 6 months. It cost me $1800 minus insurance each with a total copy of $25 a month. An American friend of mine paid $75,000 for the same two injections. This is why I prefer Canadian health care. Because it is reasonable, and worth waiting for.

So I would post a med list, but that would be long and boring to read. Instead, I will just point to Luke in the Bible, who was a physician and traveled with Paul. Paul had some amazing miracles, like a poisonous snake biting him and God healing him. Yet he still had a "thorn" in his side, and there are suggestions he did not have good eye sight, as he wrote with "such large letters," in Gal. 6:11. Could be he was losing his distance vision as he got older? My husband has that really badly. He cannot see a thing close up without glasses. So are glasses not allowed either? How ridiculous to wait for healing of a perfectly normal consequence of aging, like losing close up vision. Or distance vision, like I lost at age 10. No glasses for the poor little 10 year old, so she could see the blackboard in school? Ridiculous!

It is so ironic that people on here condemn using modern medicine, because it is "not in the Bible" when they are using the Internet, which certainly is not in the Bible either.

I can only praise God that I live today, in an age when I do have access to strong medicines which do shut down the disease, so I am not a burden to my family and society, and cannot function. And I pray none of you get serious diseases like I have, so that you have to go on medicines that are so strong, and with a lot of side effects. Oh, and pain meds - don't forget that some of us need those when are meds are not working up to pa.
 
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Good answer, Jerry. So why do some people think or believe that medication is nothing but sorcery or witchcraft? And if GOD is capable of healing our illness and suffering Himself, then why does he use doctors to do, what he's fully capable of doing on his own without benefit of medical intervention?
The Greek word for witchcraft is pharamakeia. Instead of realizing that the word "pharmacy" comes from that word, many people would rather have pharmakeia come from pharmacy. That way they can get self-righteous about something they already don't do and lay it on those sinful scums (like us lol) who are so stupid as to take drugs.

It's basically the same thing the Pharisees did. They didn't like the original law because they couldn't do it, so they changed it to fit what they could do.

The law says not to travel too far from home on the Sabbath, so they decided where their cloaks are is home and the day before the Sabbath they laid extra cloaks along roads to travel to the next day, so they could walk farther.

They got it in their heads that tying a rope to draw water from a well isn't doable on the Sabbath, but corsets can be tied, so they tied corsets to draw water.

It's all engineering backward to fit a particular desire. Etymologically speaking, using drugs is not in the Bible -- for or against. Witchcraft is and it's clearly against.