Is the teaching of Jesus before His crucifixion only for Jews?

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I am extremely keen to know as to how you can conclude anything other than that from those verses.
To me, he was describing how some of them were like, before they are saved
 
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Than God say no and Peter went to see that gentile
So obviously, they did not understand Matt 28 as telling them to go to all nations immediately right?

I have already mentioned to you about the order, Israel must repent as a nation first, before the gentiles could be reached
 

Jackson123

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I think it means "not inherit". Sinners do not inherit the power to believe
So you change the verse.

The verse say not inherit the kingdom of God

You change into

Not inherit the power to believe
 

Jackson123

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So obviously, they did not understand Matt 28 as telling them to go to all nations immediately right?

I have already mentioned to you about the order, Israel must repent as a nation first, before the gentiles could be reached
So you believe Israel as nation repent before Peter went to Cornelius?

My brother, till now Israel as a nation not repent yet

If your order correct. No body preach to you and me now. Wait till Israel as a nation repent
 

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To me, he was describing how some of them were like, before they are saved
Yes that is true, and now they arent like that anymore, they repented.

The point is, THEY SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM. What does that mean?
 
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So you change the verse.

The verse say not inherit the kingdom of God

You change into

Not inherit the power to believe
The kingdom of God resides within the temporal earthen bodies of death. We are the temple . As a fortress it keeps the enemy out. We inherit the faith of Christ that works in us as armor to defend those who believe .

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Christian that are measured by the golden measure of faith are like the Ark of the covenant . Sealed and on the outside the book of the law the bible it is used to reveal the mysteries within . two stone tablets of the Ten Commandments. According to New Testament Book of Hebrews, it also contained Aaron's rod and a pot of manna. (mana defined as "what is it??) as the "bread of unfamiliarity " or called hidden manna in Revelation 2. This shows only God working from the inside can reveal the mysteries of His faithfulness .

Makes a great study.. to the hidden witness that works in us.

Deuteronomy 31:25-27 King James Version (KJV) That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying,Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord; and how much more after my death?

He gave a rebellious sign to wonder after . Prophecy God's word for those who do believe .

In order to understand the things seen must be nixed with that sealed not seen .( faith )

Search out the hidden manna.
 

Jackson123

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The kingdom of God resides within the temporal earthen bodies of death. We are the temple . As a fortress it keeps the enemy out. We inherit the faith of Christ that works in us as armor to defend those who believe .
We are the temple or the kingdom of God?

So,inherit the kingdom of God mean

1 Inherit the temple because the kingdom is our body or
2. Inherit the faith.

Not inherit the kingdom mean
1. Not inherit our body, because our body is the keg or
2. Not inherit faith

1 or 2 mean go to heaven or go to hell?
 
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Yes that is true, and now they arent like that anymore, they repented.

The point is, THEY SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM. What does that mean?
Your doctrine is already set so I don't see anything that will change your mind about this.

But so far, those whom I have met that believes one can lose salvation, will not believe that mere envying or getting drunk occasionally will cause one to lose his. Like Jackson, it seems murder is the only sin they focus on, in Paul's passage above.

If you want to use that passage to back your doctrine that one can lose salvation, then please go all the way and believe that there are many more sins, other than murder, that will do that job.
 
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So you believe Israel as nation repent before Peter went to Cornelius?

My brother, till now Israel as a nation not repent yet

If your order correct. No body preach to you and me now. Wait till Israel as a nation repent
That was why Peter was very reluctant to go to Cornelius.

But after the nation rejected their Messiah, the door is open for all gentiles to accept God independent of Jews. I have already told you about Romans 11 in another post. You may read that if you are keen to understand the change.
 

Jackson123

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That was why Peter was very reluctant to go to Cornelius.

But after the nation rejected their Messiah, the door is open for all gentiles to accept God independent of Jews. I have already told you about Romans 11 in another post. You may read that if you are keen to understand the change.
And Peter was wrong wasn't it?
 
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What good news did Abraham put his faith in, was it about Jesus too?
Of course it is the very same good news of the promised saviour.
From the very start and Gods promise to Adam about the seed of the woman it has always been righteousness through faith in Gods provision and hope in the promise of our saviour Jesus.
 
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So you believe, according to what Paul is saying there, if one don't repent of his sins, one can lose his salvation?

That would make his point in Romans 5:11-19 silly right? Was it really Christ obedience on the cross, or ours, that made us righteous?
Loose is an incorrect terminology.

You can NOT misplace your salvation.

You can neglect it, like the man who buried his coin.
You can abandon faith, and be cut off from the vine that is Christ.
You can Sin against the Spirit of Grace and become unforgivable.
You can become a partaker of the power of the kingdom to come and then fall away and crucify the son of God afresh and bring him to open shame and end up in a place where it is impossible to be renewed unto repentance.

But to just continue in the practice of lawlessness is just someone waiting to hear "Depart from me I never knew you"


Oh and you have to actually have it posses something to loose it.
Right now you only possess salvation past tense in Hope.
Hope assured by Gods faithfulness to his promises.

The seal of the Holy Spirit given as a down payment on that promise, but our part of the deal is to hold fast our faith and make use of what we have been given.
Everyone who has this hope in them purifies themselves just as He is pure.

If you have that down payment you are also working out your salvation with fear and trembling.
You are laying hold of that which Jesus laid hold of you for, that being the life of God in Christ that is eternal, Godliness.
Working out that deposit of the Spirit of God in Christ into our life and the lives of others to Gods glory.
Why fear and trembling? Good question.

Because you not only can be disqualified as the apostle was fearful and careful to not have happen to him.
But you can also suffer loss in regards to salvation, in regards who and what you will become in heaven.
For what the water of the Spirit does not purify of you the fire of God will burn and you will suffer loss yet be saved as through fire.

We will be saved, future tense, if we hold to our faith fast until the end.
Then we will possess it!
But as the word of God says conduct yourselves in fear during your stay here on this earth.
Or as Peter says Make your calling and election sure by testing yourself to make sure you are in the faith and not deceiving yourself.
For it is the righteous who are righteous.
 
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Of course it is the very same good news of the promised saviour.
From the very start and Gods promise to Adam about the seed of the woman it has always been righteousness through faith in Gods provision and hope in the promise of our saviour Jesus.
But which scripture state that Abraham put his faith on Jesus finished work at the cross?
 

Jackson123

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Well, Peter was not told the mysteries God revealed to Paul in Romans 11, so how can he be wrong, given the information he actually had?
If you think London is us capital city and is not, you are wrong
If Peter think god don't want him preach to gentile and God want
He was wrong
 
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If you think London is us capital city and is not, you are wrong
If Peter think god don't want him preach to gentile and God want
He was wrong
The timetable was already set in the OT. Israel is to be saved first, before they can be a blessing to other nations.

Jesus reinforced the timetable to them in Matthew 10:5, and did not change those instructions for them after he resurrected.
 
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But which scripture state that Abraham put his faith on Jesus finished work at the cross?
Abraham believe God...
What do you think he believed God for... The seed, that being Christ.
You see the promise was not to his Seeds but to his seed singular that being Christ.
The faith is in the promise.
The term "finished work" i believe is a man made doctrinal term, not biblical.
But the sacrificial son and God providing his own is nothing less then that promise fulfilled.
Abraham knew it full well, having been brought to the edge of giving his own promised son and expecting his resurrection from the dead. Isaac was not the Christ but a bearer of and image of that promise.
 
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Abraham believe God...
What do you think he believed God for... The seed, that being Christ.
You see the promise was not to his Seeds but to his seed singular that being Christ.
The faith is in the promise.
The term "finished work" i believe is a man made doctrinal term, not biblical.
But the sacrificial son and God providing his own is nothing less then that promise fulfilled.
Abraham knew it full well, having been brought to the edge of giving his own promised son and expecting his resurrection from the dead. Isaac was not the Christ but a bearer of and image of that promise.
If you read Scripture literally in Genesis 15

2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?

3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.

4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Anything about Jesus Christ there, without you anticipating revelation from the apostle Paul?
 

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If you read Scripture literally in Genesis 15

2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?

3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.

4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Anything about Jesus Christ there, without you anticipating revelation from the apostle Paul?
Yep, it’s plain to see that Abraham believed in the d,b,r of Jesus Christ for our sins just like we must do to be saved.🤦‍♂️

Why can’t people see that no one before the cross was looking forward to the cross?
 

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Your doctrine is already set so I don't see anything that will change your mind about this.

But so far, those whom I have met that believes one can lose salvation, will not believe that mere envying or getting drunk occasionally will cause one to lose his. Like Jackson, it seems murder is the only sin they focus on, in Paul's passage above.

If you want to use that passage to back your doctrine that one can lose salvation, then please go all the way and believe that there are many more sins, other than murder, that will do that job.
I do believe that all the ones listed will do the job.
NOW can you PLEASE tell me what do the verses mean? You have been avoiding this and I have asked you multiple times.

It lists the sins and says those who do these things WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom, be not deceived.

What does it mean? What do you believe it means?