I have been reading and watching these threads and all the ideas that people talk about when it comes to Jerusalem and Israel.
I will say this and you can do what you want with it.
If you guys would just take five minutes and look up what ZONE and others are talking about. The amount of work it takes to find these things out and sift through all the lies is staggering. Instead of just sticking your HEADS in the sand just look it up please ZONE and some others have done the work for you just point and click I beg you.
To what? Protocols of the Elders of Zion perhaps?
You have inherited lies Jer 16;19-21 this lines up with Rev. 12;9 the enemys time is short. Look those up please. If you think and believe that zionism and special people will all of the sudden just get it YOU are taking MT 23;37-39 out of contex and content not to mention you dont know the culture. To deny this fact ......
Since the restoration of Jews to their land is a physical matter of fact reality, as anticipated by Christians centuries before that restoration began to take place, as Christians we know that it didn't happen in a spiritual vacuum. This subject is a wonderful definer. Half the church believes the restoration of Jews to their land is just as prophesied, while the other half must believe it is of Satan. Isn't that amazing?
Unfortunately, while I got a few Zionists to reply to the only question I raised in the last paragraph of the OP of the thread related to this question, I couldn't get any anti-Zionists to offer a response. Perhaps you could be so kind as to do so:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel.html
Let's consider who the Zionists and anti-Zionists
in Israel are.
In the Zionist category we find the majority of:
Israeli Christians
Israeli non-Muslim Arabs
Israeli Messianic Jews
Israeli Torah Jews
Israeli secular Jews
Israeli non-Muslims (of all other persuasions through well founded presumption)
In the Israelis on the anti-Zionist side we have:
Israeli Muslims
In other words, the 1400 year Islamic conquest of the world, that you support.
....... is to say that Yeshua is not telling the truth in Rev 12;9 and Jer 16;19-21. Everybody has got to come through the same gate Yeshua the CROSS!
Why cant you see this, at least debate fairly and confirm with the scriptures please. No one has the right to add or subract from the word of GOD not even the zionist rabbis who follow the talmud not the Torah.
It's interesting. The only Talmud thumpers I find are self-proclaimed Christians like David Duke and Ted Pike. Jews don't even consider it to be inspired. Consider what happened to Ted Pike and his wife.
Ted Pike: My Wife Died a Martyr for God and Freedom
This is just an example.
Here is an interesting picture given to me it helps me understand a little better.
Lets say you could go back in time to a slave ship.
Why go back in time? The folks that you support are making and trading slaves as I write:
[video=youtube;l1j8D1j9mEc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1j8D1j9mEc[/video]
You get on board and you have the key to set these slaves free.
The international community finally prevailed and thus Islamic countries "officially" banned slavery, however many still keep slaves, and they are just biding time, because slavery will always be Islamic. Slavery wasn't "officially" outlawed in Saudi Arabia and Yemen until 1962, UAE 1963, and Oman in 1970, and then in those countries, only because of outside pressure.
The problem is the slaves have been taught that the chains are for there protection so they dont drown.
What would you do to convince them you were trying to help.
I can tell you first hand what zionist jews think of christian zionists!!!!!!!!
The problem with bigotry is that it prevents bigots from viewing people in other than monolithic groups. Rendering them unable to grasp that the condition of people's hearts varies. Particularly those of the monolithic groups they wish to demonize. What might your "first hand" encounter, with those specific individuals you encountered, tell you about those individuals?
1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
You would not like the truth. Guys like john hagee and perry stone and all the rest are puppets. Do you think the god of this world would allow some one to give you truth over his ownership of the networks. A kingdom divided an all you know the scriptures. That makes no sense does it.
You do not judge your fruit by how much money you have or how many seats are in your church.
Let's look at the fruit of the two opposing groups, detailed previously, that you and I support:
You the Islamic conquest of Israel.
Me the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination provided by the democracy of the Jewish State for Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims - where Muslims enjoy more freedom than they do in any Islam controlled country on earth. Some fruit:
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1.5 billion, or about 25% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz
Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai
Economics: (zero)
Physics: (zero)
Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
Chemistry:
1999 - Ahmed Hassan Zewail
TOTAL 6 (with half of them for so-called "peace" even including one awarded to the terrorist Yasar Arafat!)
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.2% of the world's population, yet they compose 22% of all individual recipients of Nobel Prizes worldwide, between 1901 and 2009 including:
Literature: 10
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pa sternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
Peace: 8
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
Physics: 53
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phil lips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Joseph son
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger
Economics: 13
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Mil ton Friedman
1978 - Herb ert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel
Medicine: 43
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Ed elman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Ed ward B. Lewis
Chemistry: 24
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Herbert Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1998 - Walter Kohn
2004 - Avram Hershko, Aaron Ciechanover and Irwin Rose
2006 - Roger Kornberg
TOTAL: 151
How much blood do you require before you stand up and say something.
How much Islamic conquest should the world stomach, before standing up and saying something. Look what you and your ilk did to the Christians in Gaza by jerking the protections of the Israeli Jewish state out from under them:
"Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."
"This missionary activity is endangering the entire Christian community in Gaza,"
"His comments come after gunmen on Sunday attacked Gaza's Latin Church and adjacent Rosary Sisters School, reportedly destroying crosses, bibles, pictures of Jesus and furniture and equipment. The attackers also stole a number of computers."
Christians warned: Accept Islamic law
"'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":
"Christians can In the case of Ayyad, who managed the only Christian bookstore in Gaza, his body was discovered riddled with gunshot and stab wounds."
"The witnesses said they saw three armed men, two of whom were wearing masks, beat Ayyad repeatedly with clubs and the butts of their guns while they accused him of attempting to spread Christianity in Gaza. The witnesses said that after sustaining the beating, Ayyad was shot by all three men."
‘Arab Spring’ becoming nightmare for Christians
Let alone what you did to non-Muslim Arabs: "In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"
Do you really think any non-Muslim would want to live in a Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising, slave making and trading, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagog burning, imperialistic Islamic slave state?
I love you brothers and sisters. This question is for all of you.
What corner stone will you use for the third temple. Please explain with scripture thank you.
No need to confuse the issue with Darby's 19th century eschatology. Jews began to be restored to their land long before Darby penned his doctrine, as Christians also had anticipated through prophecy, centuries before that restoration began.
“Hence I observe these things, first that the restauration of the Jewish nation so much spoken of by the old Prophets respects not the few Jews who were converted in the Apostles days, but the dispersed nation of the unbelieving Jews to be converted in the end when the fullness of the Gentiles shall enter, that is when the Gospel (upon the fall of Babylon) shall begin to be preached to all nations. Secondly that the prophecies of Isaiah described above by being here cited by the Apostle is limited to respect the time of the future conversion and restitution of the Jewish Nation, and thirdly that the humour which has long reigned among the Christians of boasting our selves against the Jews, and insulting over them for their not believing, is reprehended by the Apostle for high –mindedness and self-conceipt, and much more is our using them despightfully, Pharisaicall and impious” - Isaac Newton
Jesus built our temple in three days, just like He said He could. There is no reason for a Christian to believe any further temples would be of the Lord. The restoration of the Jews to their land, however, is a physical matter of fact. All that's left if for us to choose whose side we want the Lord to find us on.
Keep this in mind GOD destroyed the temple 40 years latter just like HE said HE would. Blessings
Indeed He did.