Jesus's mom

PilgrimPassingThru · Feb 19, 2016

Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Whereas Jesus Christ, he was the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person

Seeing him (as in his expressed person) was seeing the Father (who no man has seen) who was the image of the invisible (not the visible) God. The inward (the word was made flesh, but God was not know after the flesh)

Beholding his glory is shown this way as his glory was to be in us to do so.

2Cr 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Paul speaks of not knowing a man after the flesh (including Christ)

2Cr 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Shows Philip knowing Christ after the flesh (outward) verses Spirit (inward)

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Jesus Christ, Who is the image of the invisible God

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him,

Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Again,

He is the express image of his person

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Seeing him in the flesh (or knowing him after the flesh) is not knowing him

Again,

2Cr 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

They beheld the glory as of the only begotten, Who is the brightness of his glory. Of the same glory he has also given them to behold him as in a glass being changed from one degree of glory unto another as by the Spirit. That we might be like him who is the image of the invisible (not visible) God. Thus speaking of to the inward image (not outward)

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Which is by the same Spirit

2Cr 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Not here

James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

So in the first they are beholding with an open face as in a glass the glory (of the Lord) being transformed inwardly into the same inward image. Going from one degree of glory to another as by the abiding Spirit. Whereas if one be a hearer of the word and not a doer he is still as a man beholding his natural face in a glass.

Knowing the Lord is as by the Spirit (not after the flesh). Even as we are not to know Christ, or any man after the flesh. Even though he known (at one after that) having come in the flesh. That seemed to act as a veil (trying to in that manner) which shows more of the same veil upon ones heart.

PilgrimPassingThru · Feb 19, 2016

4enlightment said:

In Christ there isnt so why are you saying know a person by their female spirit?

Thats just weird

PilgrimPassingThru · Feb 19, 2016

4enlightment said:

Use mule then, the oxen are rock stars

PilgrimPassingThru · Feb 19, 2016

And with that, I am bored

JaumeJ · Feb 19, 2016

Many folks, perhaps most, do not understand when our Maker says He is spirit and would be worshipped in spirit and truth He is also referring to the creatures He created in His own image, all mankind. Now using the proper grammar of old, mankind is a collective noun encompassing all people, male and female alike.

We are taught when we come to be with Jesus Christ, we will all be just like He, though we will not be He, it is more than enough to be just like He is.

Jesus teaches also that come the Kingdom there is no giving and taking of wives for we shall all live forever. There is much more to this mystery, but this much should be easily understood by all who have even a slight grasp on what the Spirit is.

There is no distinctions by our Father regarding His children.........spirit is spirit, so not attempt to change this eternal truth, for that would be impossible.

Praise Jesus Christ our God and Savior, amen.

4enlightment · Feb 19, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

But what I see is that this verse is saying that they has changed the unseen images of God, into God having natural characteristics. The flesh is always considered as corruption, and that is why we are to become circumcised from this corruption.

Vdp · Feb 19, 2016

Mary was a sinner. She was born a sinner and died a sinner. There is no female god. Pagan people worship female gods. Therefore those who worship, pray to or serve Mary are pagans and are not Brothers in Christ.

Read the Scriptures. In them is all the Truth. There is no Truth in the World.

Its a shame we have so many so-called Brothers in Christ who are Wolves in sheep Clothing.

Matthew 7:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

Beware of those who teach the opposite of the Truth from God.

PilgrimPassingThru · Feb 19, 2016

4enlightment said:

Yeah that was a clip from a discussion with a idol worshipping catholic, sorry bout that, just got stuck in at the top.

Cement, paint- wallah Jesus looked like this in the flesh... when its still an image after the flesh and we arent to know Jesus after it, and the best thing some cement and krylon spray paint can do you for is what he looked like after the flesh (if we can even get the artists to agree).

Continue without me, I have a short attention span

4enlightment · Feb 19, 2016

JaumeJ said:

Many folks, perhaps most, do not understand when our Maker says He is spirit and would be worshipped in spirit and truth He is also referring to the creatures He created in His own image, all mankind. Now using the proper grammar of old, mankind is a collective noun encompassing all people, male and female alike.

We are taught when we come to be with Jesus Christ, we will all be just like He, though we will not be He, it is more than enough to be just like He is.

Jesus teaches also that come the Kingdom there is no giving and taking of wives for we shall all live forever. There is much more to this mystery, but this much should be easily understood by all who have even a slight grasp on what the Spirit is.

There is no distinctions by our Father regarding His children.........spirit is spirit, so not attempt to change this eternal truth, for that would be impossible.

Praise Jesus Christ our God and Savior, amen.

and that is why it says that no one has came to the acknowledgement of God, not even had seen His true form as it says, and which that is why God said that he desires the acknowledgement of Him over by obeying the laws.

4enlightment · Feb 19, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

and yes that there is no difference of painting an image of Him on our walls as to painting an image of Him in our minds; and which Paul told us not to focus on what is seen by our own eyes, but to focus on what is not seen by our eyes, and which that is the heart or soul.

Tintin · Feb 19, 2016

4enlightment said:

Goodness! Context, please! Jews had privileges that Gentiles didn't. Slaves definitely had fewer privileges than those who were free. Males had far more privileges than females. In short, the verse is speaking about the equality among the Body of Christ. Each Christian (no matter their ancestry, no matter their social status, no matter their gender etc.) is united in their common belief in Jesus. No-one has special rights or is seen as a favourite in God's eyes. To suggest this means anything else is plainly ludicrous!

4enlightment · Feb 19, 2016

Tintin said:

1 Samuel 16:7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Jeremiah 1:7 But the Lord said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am too young.’ You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you.

Isaiah 4:4 The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire.

I guess that God will wash all them nasty women of Zion; or maybe that he is referring to the weak, the ones that has fallen into temptation. If you perceived by our fleshly nature, and that is how God will judge you, by what you had done in the flesh, but not listen to what was in your heart. Its says that you cannot break one of the laws, if you had just broken one, you has broken them all. But I will tell you that even if you look at a woman with lust, you have committed adultery. Because in the old testament, the Hebrews had thought that lusting was a sin; and that is why they has covered the women while having sex with them. That is why Jacob did not know that he was sleeping with Rachel's sister instead of Rachel. But people says that God had designed us to be nasty with one another.But Paul has said that sexual immorality did not come from God, but from the world. Like when Before Adam and Eve did not know that they were naked like they were the angels in heaven; but afterwards from eating from the tree, they had started to noticed that they were naked. Then God had said to them, how did you know that you were naked, unless you have eating from the tree. And so God did not wanted them to know that they were naked. But Paul said that we are under grace and all a person has to do is to show it as well. But Paul said if can withstand from sex, like him, then it would be good because they has made themselves spiritual eunuch for the sake of the kingdom. I bet right now, people are saying that it cannot be so, that is the only reason that I had came to Christ, and that is to have great sex and which it makes me feels so good, and God does want us to feel good!! But God knows that your little nasty hearts desires it, and so that is why we are under God's grace, but if you want the old laws to stand? then He will let Moses to be your judge. And when Moses open up the Book of the laws, you will be unable to covered your hearts with veil. and remember this, Adam and Eve had just broken one law, but our your sins are greater than their?

1 John 2:16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.

Matthew 26:41 “Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”

1 Corinthians 6:13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

1 Corinthians 7:2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.

2 Corinthians 3:15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.

Galatians 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? 15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

MikeHenderson · Feb 20, 2016

There is no Holy Mother.

There is God the Father, a male, God the Son, a male, and God the Holy Spirit, a male.

Its Catholicism that includes Mary as the Holy Mother, not God. Its Catholicism that Worships Mary as a god. Its Catholicism that has walked away from God.

Lets be very clear on this subject. There is no mention of a Holy Mother in the Scriptures.

Show us where in the Scriptures does God mention a Holy Mother that we are to follow!

Paul was very clear when he said there are those who suppress the Truth in unrighteousness.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Feb 20, 2016

MikeHenderson said:

There is no GOD the son either. There is the son of GOD. Saying GOD the son is like saying Man the son, for the son of man. Nonsensical.

Gnostics believe in GOD the father, GOD the mother, and GOD the son.

4enlightment · Feb 20, 2016

MikeHenderson said:

It is said to honor thy father and mother. But in this verse below when Jesus has said on the cross to Mary, to look over there, those are your son, and to the disciple, to look, there is your mother; and after that he had taken this woman that is not his biological mother into his homes from then on. Why? to make her into his concubine. Why would they want to venerated her over their own biological mother? Who is this disciple that had taken her into his home? Luke that Biblical scholars do not know actually where he has come from; but in those days, Hellenistic Jews had worn Togas like a blanket covering over their bodies like the Romans and Greeks had worn. And there were a young boy that had fled the scene naked because of the soldiers had grabbed his garment and by accidentally stripped the young boy from his garment during the time when they had arrested Jesus. The Biblical scholars believed that Luke was an Hellenistic Jew.

John 19:27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

The shrine houses a statue reputed to have been carved by Luke the Evangelist and given to Saint Leander, archbishop of Seville, by Pope Gregory I. According to local legend, when Seville was taken by the Moors in 712, a group of priests fled northward and buried the statue in the hills near the Guadalupe River in Extremadura. At the beginning of the 14th century, the Virgin appeared one day to a humble cowboy named Gil Cordero who was searching for a missing animal in the mountains.[SUP][1][/SUP] Cordero claimed that the Virgin Mary had appeared to him and ordered him to ask priests to dig at the site of the apparition. Excavating priests rediscovered the hidden statue and built a small shrine around it which evolved into the great Guadalupe monastery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe,_Extremadura

It is believed by many scholars that Luke was a Greek physician who lived in the Greek city ofAntioch in Ancient Syria, though some other scholars and theologians think Luke was aHellenic Jew.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] This Luke is mentioned in Paul's Epistle to Philemon (v.24), and in two other epistles which are traditionally ascribed to Paul (Epistle to the Colossians 4:14 and Second Epistle to Timothy 4:11).[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_the_Evangelist

[/SUP]Mark 14:52 he fled naked, leaving his garment behind.

JaumeJ · Feb 20, 2016

Just what do people derive from the teaching of our Savior when He teaches sthere will be no giving and taking of wives come the Kingdom? When God says He is Spirit, and when we are in the Kingdom we will live forever, and when we arrive to the Kingdom we will all be transformed to be just like Jesus, what does this say? Come the Kingdom there is no male of female our roles from this age are completed. I hope no one is thinking of a fleshy heaven with beings copulating and reproducing like rabbits, because this is just no going to be the case.

While we are in this age we are learning just how separated the flesh is ahd should be from the spirit. Learn this. Yes the Father is the father to us having adopted us for all eternity, but come the Kingdom it is going to be the case mentioned and taught, we will all be just like Jesus Christ, ALL, we who are here in the role of man and those in the role of women. It may seem beyond our grasp to understand, but God tells us throughout the Word, and it is not difficult, if we but listen.

JaumeJ said:

Magenta · Feb 20, 2016

4enlightment said:

It is said to honor thy father and mother. But in this verse below when Jesus has said on the cross to Mary, to look over there, those are your son, and to the disciple, to look, there is your mother; and after that he had taken this woman that is not his biological mother into his homes from then on. Why? to make her into his concubine.

What you say is abominably contemptible.

4enlightment · Feb 20, 2016

Magenta said:

That is why I believed that a person should not read verse by verse, because they are missing the whole entire picture by doing that.

1 Kings 18:27 At noon Elijah began to taunt them. “Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.”

Magenta · Feb 20, 2016

4enlightment said:

You make no sense. Anything written is read word by word, line by line, verse by verse, in order to get the whole picture. Scripture even tells us, that is how to build doctrine.

Isa 28:10
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little

Claiming as you did that John made Mary his concubine is nothing that is
even hinted at in Scripture. You seem to have missed the picture entirely.

4enlightment · Feb 20, 2016

Magenta said:

You make no sense. Anything written is read word by word, line by line, verse by verse, in order to get the whole picture. Scripture even tells us, that is how to build doctrine.

Isa 28:10
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little

Claiming as you did that John made Mary his concubine is nothing that is
even hinted at in Scripture. You seem to have missed the picture entirely.

Well, I guess that I wasn't being facetious at all, since you has put it in that away.

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