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Do I keep the 10 commandments? Well, I try. Except I do not attend church between Friday sundown and Saturday sundown, but I do obey it in principle.
The Sabbath was given to the Jews as part of the mosaic laws. There is a clear ceremonial aspect to the Sabbath.
1) A person could not travel on the Sabbath. (Ex. 16:29)
2) A Jew can not light a fire on the Sabbath. (Ex. 35:3) (Before sundown Jews lite a candle in case fire is needed.)
3) A Jew can not work on the Sabbath (Ex. 34:21)
4) The Sabbath is for rest and religious Assembly. (Lev.23:3)
5) On the Sabbath, no food can be prepared or cooked. (Ex. 16:21-30)
6) A Jew can not ask or employ others, not even a gentile to work on the Sabbath. (Ex. 20:8-10)
7) The penalty for breaking the Sabbath is death. (Ex. 31:13-15)
I wonder if Seventh Day Adventists keep all 7 points listed above?
Do Christians today keep the fourth commandment when they go to Church on Sunday?
1) Christ rose on the first day of the week.
2) From Acts chapter 19 to Revelation, the Sabbath is not mentioned.
3) In Acts before chapter 19, the Sabbath is only mentioned in context of evangelizing the Jews.
4) There is not a single scripture from Acts to Revelation, that tells Christians to go to Church on Saturday.
5) The New Testament, from Acts to Revelation implies Christians do not attend Sabbath.
This verse effective cancels all jewish ceremonial law for us as Christians.
Here is the perfect oppotunity for Paul to explain the importance of keeping the Sabbath, but instead he allows us to pick which day is "special".
Here we see Christians Assembling on Sunday, not Saturday.
Again this implies early Christians attended church service on Sunday, as it would be stupid to collect offerings the day after Sabbath attendance.
The Sabbath was given to the Jews as part of the mosaic laws. There is a clear ceremonial aspect to the Sabbath.
1) A person could not travel on the Sabbath. (Ex. 16:29)
2) A Jew can not light a fire on the Sabbath. (Ex. 35:3) (Before sundown Jews lite a candle in case fire is needed.)
3) A Jew can not work on the Sabbath (Ex. 34:21)
4) The Sabbath is for rest and religious Assembly. (Lev.23:3)
5) On the Sabbath, no food can be prepared or cooked. (Ex. 16:21-30)
6) A Jew can not ask or employ others, not even a gentile to work on the Sabbath. (Ex. 20:8-10)
7) The penalty for breaking the Sabbath is death. (Ex. 31:13-15)
I wonder if Seventh Day Adventists keep all 7 points listed above?
Do Christians today keep the fourth commandment when they go to Church on Sunday?
1) Christ rose on the first day of the week.
2) From Acts chapter 19 to Revelation, the Sabbath is not mentioned.
3) In Acts before chapter 19, the Sabbath is only mentioned in context of evangelizing the Jews.
4) There is not a single scripture from Acts to Revelation, that tells Christians to go to Church on Saturday.
5) The New Testament, from Acts to Revelation implies Christians do not attend Sabbath.
This verse effective cancels all jewish ceremonial law for us as Christians.
Here is the perfect oppotunity for Paul to explain the importance of keeping the Sabbath, but instead he allows us to pick which day is "special".
Here we see Christians Assembling on Sunday, not Saturday.
Again this implies early Christians attended church service on Sunday, as it would be stupid to collect offerings the day after Sabbath attendance.
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Read the Word, and believe the Word. Paul teaches if one man reveres one day over another in the sight of Yahweh with a clear conscience, it is NOT SIN.
My personal preference, therefore my belief, is to observe the Sabbath on the Day designated by the Father. This does not mean I am better than one who believes Sunday is the Sabbath. Does everyone understand, it is ok.
The main point of contention here is obeying the Father in accepting His gift to us of a Sabbath each week.
Now, how people can get it so mixed up as to think all who wish to do it as close to as it was written as possible with not believing in the Grace afforded by the Holy Gift of Yeshua on the cross is well beyond my capacity to reckon.
The Ten Commandments should be a joy to all who love the Savior, He is also our Father.
My personal preference, therefore my belief, is to observe the Sabbath on the Day designated by the Father. This does not mean I am better than one who believes Sunday is the Sabbath. Does everyone understand, it is ok.
The main point of contention here is obeying the Father in accepting His gift to us of a Sabbath each week.
Now, how people can get it so mixed up as to think all who wish to do it as close to as it was written as possible with not believing in the Grace afforded by the Holy Gift of Yeshua on the cross is well beyond my capacity to reckon.
The Ten Commandments should be a joy to all who love the Savior, He is also our Father.
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The sabbath never had anything to do with assembling anyway, it was a day of rest. Yes many jews assembled on this day. but that does not mean it was required.
The church met on the first day of the week (Sunday) in the NT. They also assembled themselves in little groups often during the week and I am sure weekend. not just on Sunday..
People have twisted the sabbath like the jews did. It is a sad state..
The church met on the first day of the week (Sunday) in the NT. They also assembled themselves in little groups often during the week and I am sure weekend. not just on Sunday..
People have twisted the sabbath like the jews did. It is a sad state..
No exceptions? Shouldn't go to Sabbath services?
Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mat 12:9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat 12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
The Pharisees taught the rigorous teachings you are referring to.
Exo 35:1 And Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said unto them, These are the words which the LORD hath commanded, that ye should do them.
Exo 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
Exo 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.
Now if you will read on you will see that this is in connection with the labor involved in building the Tabernacl. Check a few commentaries and you will see that this concerns a fire for doing work. It is inappropriate for a blacksmith to build a fire for his shop on the Sabbath. It is inappropriate for a business to use a blast furnace on the Sabbath.
Well yeaah! That is the intent of the Sabbath. It is to take one day of the week to rest, to worship God and draw close to Him. To have a family and friends get together and a nice meal.
OK, and that is correct.
Exo 12:16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
OK, and that is true. I don't either.
Yes....
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
You will have to ask them, I am not an SDA and disagree with much of their doctrine. (Surely you don't stereotype all Sabbath keepers as SDAs do you?)
They cannot, the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.
No He did not, He ascended to heaven on the first day, but He rose about sunset on Saturday afternoon.
Yes, now isn't that strange? There was such an uproar over circumcision that it took a general church conference and a decision by the head of the church and a letter to be circulated about this subject...
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Yet the question of the Sabbath was never raised? Because there was no change.
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Hmmm, this was a golden opportunity to change to Sunday but Paul did not.
Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Act 17:4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.
A gentile city and gentiles on the sabbath.
There is one that tells Christians to keep the Sabbath...
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
The word rest here is Sabbatismos and it means a keeping of the Sabbath. Now from the Diaglott...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.
Now where's that scripture that says for Christians to go to church on Sunday?
On the contrary, the implication is that nothing changed concerning the day of worship. The Sabbath is still the day.
I notice you left verse 17 out. Now what verse 16 REALLY says is don't let anyone judge you FOR KEEPING the Sabbath. Verse 17 says that the Sabbath and the Holydays are shadows of things YET TO COME. Now remember this was written over twenty years AFTER the crucifixion.
Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mat 12:9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat 12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
The Pharisees taught the rigorous teachings you are referring to.
Exo 35:1 And Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said unto them, These are the words which the LORD hath commanded, that ye should do them.
Exo 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
Exo 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.
Now if you will read on you will see that this is in connection with the labor involved in building the Tabernacl. Check a few commentaries and you will see that this concerns a fire for doing work. It is inappropriate for a blacksmith to build a fire for his shop on the Sabbath. It is inappropriate for a business to use a blast furnace on the Sabbath.
Well yeaah! That is the intent of the Sabbath. It is to take one day of the week to rest, to worship God and draw close to Him. To have a family and friends get together and a nice meal.
OK, and that is correct.
Exo 12:16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
OK, and that is true. I don't either.
Yes....
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
You will have to ask them, I am not an SDA and disagree with much of their doctrine. (Surely you don't stereotype all Sabbath keepers as SDAs do you?)
They cannot, the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.
No He did not, He ascended to heaven on the first day, but He rose about sunset on Saturday afternoon.
Yes, now isn't that strange? There was such an uproar over circumcision that it took a general church conference and a decision by the head of the church and a letter to be circulated about this subject...
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Yet the question of the Sabbath was never raised? Because there was no change.
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Hmmm, this was a golden opportunity to change to Sunday but Paul did not.
Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Act 17:4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.
A gentile city and gentiles on the sabbath.
There is one that tells Christians to keep the Sabbath...
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
The word rest here is Sabbatismos and it means a keeping of the Sabbath. Now from the Diaglott...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.
Now where's that scripture that says for Christians to go to church on Sunday?
On the contrary, the implication is that nothing changed concerning the day of worship. The Sabbath is still the day.
I notice you left verse 17 out. Now what verse 16 REALLY says is don't let anyone judge you FOR KEEPING the Sabbath. Verse 17 says that the Sabbath and the Holydays are shadows of things YET TO COME. Now remember this was written over twenty years AFTER the crucifixion.
Ya, yer right!!! Loving the Lord is a commandment from the time of Moses. I think the man recorded that commandment in the first writing of the law! Good input my friend! Well done!
Deuteronomy 6:1-9 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
Leviticus 19:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deuteronomy 6:1-9 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
Leviticus 19:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
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The scriptures I quoted come from The NASB which is a very accurate, "word for word" translation because I anticipated scriputaral nit picking would occur to attempt to twist the verses I quoted to mean something they do not. I am not going to attempt to answer all of your objections.
Objection #1
You claim Acts 20:7 is mistranslated. Keep in mind any translation I use says the exact same thing. The word Sabbaton. You claim must be translated as Sabbath, or sabbaths. In the King James version, Sabbaton is translated as follows:
Sabbath day - 27 times
Sabbath - 22 times
Weeks - 9 times.
Now you are being deceptive or the Emphatic Diaglott is junk. 9 times this word was translated into week and you failed to mention this.
Let's look at the other passages that are translated as weeks and see if we can discover a conspiracy that translators are being deceptive.
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Matt 28:1
Here it would make absolutely no sense whatever to say: " Here it would make no sense to say "At the end of the Sabbath, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb on the Sabbath.
Your attempt to hide the fact that Sabbaton can be translated as "week" is deception or you have been deceived, by others, maybe even the Emphatic Diaglott which is over a 100 years old. I hope you use a better greek interlinear.
Here are other passages where Sabbaton is translated as week.
And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. Mark 16:2
Now when [Jesus] was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, Mark 16:9
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. Luke 18:12 (Can you fast twice in a Sabbath?)
Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, Luke 24:1
The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, John 20:1
Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut John 20:19
And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, Acts 20:7
Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, 1Cor. 16:2
Objection #1
You claim Acts 20:7 is mistranslated. Keep in mind any translation I use says the exact same thing. The word Sabbaton. You claim must be translated as Sabbath, or sabbaths. In the King James version, Sabbaton is translated as follows:
Sabbath day - 27 times
Sabbath - 22 times
Weeks - 9 times.
Now you are being deceptive or the Emphatic Diaglott is junk. 9 times this word was translated into week and you failed to mention this.
Let's look at the other passages that are translated as weeks and see if we can discover a conspiracy that translators are being deceptive.
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Matt 28:1
Here it would make absolutely no sense whatever to say: " Here it would make no sense to say "At the end of the Sabbath, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb on the Sabbath.
Your attempt to hide the fact that Sabbaton can be translated as "week" is deception or you have been deceived, by others, maybe even the Emphatic Diaglott which is over a 100 years old. I hope you use a better greek interlinear.
Here are other passages where Sabbaton is translated as week.
And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. Mark 16:2
Now when [Jesus] was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, Mark 16:9
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. Luke 18:12 (Can you fast twice in a Sabbath?)
Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, Luke 24:1
The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, John 20:1
Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut John 20:19
And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, Acts 20:7
Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, 1Cor. 16:2
W
Listen to what eg says, and, add that Christ did not come to destroy the law but to become the carry-over, the fulfillment of the laws of Moses. Carry-over?
What does that word mean to you? If something is 'fulfilled,' then, what does it do to the thing that was fulfilled, which, in this case, IS the laws of Moses that were fulfilled with the coming of Jesus Christ to Earth, and, His testament of life for all who believe (eternal life ) after He died and roSE again .
The power of God raised His Son just like, after we die, we will be raised. His Spirit in us , it speaks to our spirit, Jesus showed us the The Way, for He was/is/will always be the way to the Father, to life after this Earth, forevermore with Him.
What were Jesus' words on that cross? Jesus, we are speaking of Jesus' who believed in His Father, who was being crucified, who was NOT faking it, He went through REAL HUMAN PAIN !! "Into Thy hands, Father, I commit My spirit." This is a complete ACT of faith on Jesus' part, right? Sure. Jesus gave up His life and God sacrificed Him, put that Lamb to slaughter !!! By FAITH, in His Father's will for Him, Jesus succumbed to His plan for His life.
There is NO mention of the laws of Moses, merely, the faith in His Father that Jesus had to have, and, good news, He had it !
Now, did Jesus go around killing people, lying, and, dishonoring His mom and dad in His life? No !!! Jesus did not sin, so, OBVIOUSLY keeping the laws of Moses (the 10 commandments) were important to Jesus in His Earthly life, showing us The Way. Showing us the way Home. Getting it now, keeping the commandments is a given, IF you are led by the spirit of God, for you are His son and a son (Romans 8:14, eg mentioned a lot of good in Romans 8 but don't forget this verse ) will WANT to obey His Father. Keyword is 'want,' for even though we not want to sin, we still DO, even as Christians, just go read Paul's account of Himself, being wretched, 'not good, no, not one of us,' we ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We all DO sin too (1 John 1:8) , so, don't say you don't . You do. And, you WILL sin tomorrow. BUT, you are covered by your heart's belief, from your having been born again, YOU are covered by the blood of Christ, all the sins you've done, are doing, will do, COVERED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST, by the blood of the sacrificial LAMB
What does that word mean to you? If something is 'fulfilled,' then, what does it do to the thing that was fulfilled, which, in this case, IS the laws of Moses that were fulfilled with the coming of Jesus Christ to Earth, and, His testament of life for all who believe (eternal life
) after He died and roSE again . The power of God raised His Son just like, after we die, we will be raised. His Spirit in us , it speaks to our spirit, Jesus showed us the The Way, for He was/is/will always be the way to the Father, to life after this Earth, forevermore with Him.
What were Jesus' words on that cross? Jesus, we are speaking of Jesus' who believed in His Father, who was being crucified, who was NOT faking it, He went through REAL HUMAN PAIN !! "Into Thy hands, Father, I commit My spirit."
This is a complete ACT of faith on Jesus' part, right? Sure. Jesus gave up His life and God sacrificed Him, put that Lamb to slaughter !!! By FAITH, in His Father's will for Him, Jesus succumbed to His plan for His life. There is NO mention of the laws of Moses, merely, the faith in His Father that Jesus had to have, and, good news, He had it !
Now, did Jesus go around killing people, lying, and, dishonoring His mom and dad in His life? No !!! Jesus did not sin, so, OBVIOUSLY keeping the laws of Moses (the 10 commandments) were important to Jesus in His Earthly life, showing us The Way. Showing us the way Home. Getting it now, keeping the commandments is a given, IF you are led by the spirit of God, for you are His son and a son (Romans 8:14, eg mentioned a lot of good in Romans 8 but don't forget this verse
) will WANT to obey His Father. Keyword is 'want,' for even though we not want to sin, we still DO, even as Christians, just go read Paul's account of Himself, being wretched, 'not good, no, not one of us,' we ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We all DO sin too (1 John 1:8) , so, don't say you don't . You do. And, you WILL sin tomorrow. BUT, you are covered by your heart's belief, from your having been born again, YOU are covered by the blood of Christ, all the sins you've done, are doing, will do, COVERED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST, by the blood of the sacrificial LAMB
The following is from Micah, from the Old Testament. It does not nullify the Ten Commandments, but it certainly clarifies the difference between them and the law. It is a very good explanation of how to walk with Yeshua, Who is the Father.
Mic 6:7
Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
Mic 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Mic 6:7
Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
Mic 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
I like what you wrote. It is important to understand that there are essentially 3 parts to the law of God; sacrificial which Micah describes, the moral law which we all ought to acknowledge, and the judgmental law which is God's only if we don't follow the PRINCIPLES of the moral law toward our fellow man. Let me add one more scripture; 1 Samuel 15:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial law, and obeyed everything else in the law. It is our obligation in obedience to adhere to the moral persuasions of the law toward our brothers and sisters in Christ, and all fellow man according to Leviticus 19:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Which I think I posted previously.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial law, and obeyed everything else in the law. It is our obligation in obedience to adhere to the moral persuasions of the law toward our brothers and sisters in Christ, and all fellow man according to Leviticus 19:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Which I think I posted previously.
C
How then do we keep His commandments?
Do we walk according to the Law and say, "The Law has so commanded", knowing that even those of the Law did not receive justification from codemnation apart from the Christ? Did it not take the Christ to deliver the Law's righteous dead?
Or yet, do we walk according to the Spirit and say, "God, who lives in me, has so commanded my path", knowing that those of Christ has received His Spirit for their guidance?
They who live according to the dictate of the Law shall fulfill the whole Law or be judged as a lawbreaker.
They who live according to the dictate of the Spirit shall live.
Hear this:
They who have an ear, hearken unto what the Spirit says unto you and live. Surely, the sons and daughters of God are lead by Him.
Do we walk according to the Law and say, "The Law has so commanded", knowing that even those of the Law did not receive justification from codemnation apart from the Christ? Did it not take the Christ to deliver the Law's righteous dead?
Or yet, do we walk according to the Spirit and say, "God, who lives in me, has so commanded my path", knowing that those of Christ has received His Spirit for their guidance?
They who live according to the dictate of the Law shall fulfill the whole Law or be judged as a lawbreaker.
They who live according to the dictate of the Spirit shall live.
Hear this:
They who have an ear, hearken unto what the Spirit says unto you and live. Surely, the sons and daughters of God are lead by Him.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Matthew 5:27-28 ,48
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
We don't just decide to keep the Law by our own power. There is nothing in our flesh and wills that has this ability. We must come to Christ and receive the Holy Spirit and abide in Him. Then you find out that the Law is Spiritual all along. A man can't just summon the fruits of the Holy Spirit out of the power of his own will. At least not this man and not according to the bible.
If you really, really want to keep the law you HAVE to come to Christ. He grows the traits, the fruit, that keeps His Law. This is His Gift. You have to be given this because you can't do it yourself.
Haven't you already tried to be perfect before Him as He commands? Didn't you find out you need a saviour from your predicament? Or are you deceived and think you can keep His Law on your own???
Matthew 5:27-28 ,48
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
We don't just decide to keep the Law by our own power. There is nothing in our flesh and wills that has this ability. We must come to Christ and receive the Holy Spirit and abide in Him. Then you find out that the Law is Spiritual all along. A man can't just summon the fruits of the Holy Spirit out of the power of his own will. At least not this man and not according to the bible.
If you really, really want to keep the law you HAVE to come to Christ. He grows the traits, the fruit, that keeps His Law. This is His Gift. You have to be given this because you can't do it yourself.
Haven't you already tried to be perfect before Him as He commands? Didn't you find out you need a saviour from your predicament? Or are you deceived and think you can keep His Law on your own???
D
Then why is it that Christians have not met for worship on Saturday? In fact we do not see any Christians ever mention saturday worship until the the 1500's? If it is so simple, then why do the vast majority of Christians worship on Sunday?
The only ones who go to Church on Saturday are a handful of messianic Christians and Seventh day Adventists. Why is that? What do they say about it?
The only ones who go to Church on Saturday are a handful of messianic Christians and Seventh day Adventists. Why is that? What do they say about it?