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...so by analogy, if you 'believe' in and 'vote for' the power of your government; you don't have to keep its laws; because you are 'under its grace' and that puts you 'above its laws'....?
...so you then also must believe, that you can steal, murder, commit adultery --- take Gods Name in vain, bear false witness --- because you are 'under Grace'...and these things are 'bondage' ... the 'Blood of the Lamb' has released you both from such things ... and you are free to do as you wish, just have 'faith and believe' - that is the only 'command' you have received, with thankfulness to open disobedience ... I guess you must be 'praising God' for giving you such freedom from 'bondage' ....
...so you then also must believe, that you can steal, murder, commit adultery --- take Gods Name in vain, bear false witness --- because you are 'under Grace'...and these things are 'bondage' ... the 'Blood of the Lamb' has released you both from such things ... and you are free to do as you wish, just have 'faith and believe' - that is the only 'command' you have received, with thankfulness to open disobedience ... I guess you must be 'praising God' for giving you such freedom from 'bondage' ....
K
If want to keep law as your means of salvation then keep it and make the cross of no effect. Faith in the cross causes us to keep His moral code. Can you keep it without it. I think not, nor can you keep it with it, Yet we strive to do so. This is why we must place our faith in the cross and nothing else. It is God's ultimate sacrafice and not mine.
If you love Jesus Christ you will read and understand this. No one is willing to throw away the grace provided by His great and wonderful salvation. No one wishes to deny the good and perfect power of His Blood. At the same time, no one wants to be disobedient, therefore we strive to please our Father by obeying His Commandments. This by no means includes all of those ordinances, laws and statutes that deal with anything opposing the teachings and example of the Master.
If this is not understandable, I am afraid nothing ever will be unless the Lord gives you a personal revelation.
Do not disparage your brethren. Also, if you believe Paul, there is nothing wrong with observing various practices in the sight of Yahweh, God, as long as one's conscience is clear in doing so. Faith comes to each person in the manner the Father knows that person needs to feel useful for Him. You have your unique salvation in Yeshua, I have mine, and each person has his own salvation, unique to his own introduction to the Father. I would never thing to deny you, do not deny others who believe they are being obedient. Disobedience is likened to witchcraft by the Father. Jesus teaches us to obey the commandments.
If this is not understandable, I am afraid nothing ever will be unless the Lord gives you a personal revelation.
Do not disparage your brethren. Also, if you believe Paul, there is nothing wrong with observing various practices in the sight of Yahweh, God, as long as one's conscience is clear in doing so. Faith comes to each person in the manner the Father knows that person needs to feel useful for Him. You have your unique salvation in Yeshua, I have mine, and each person has his own salvation, unique to his own introduction to the Father. I would never thing to deny you, do not deny others who believe they are being obedient. Disobedience is likened to witchcraft by the Father. Jesus teaches us to obey the commandments.
Adam, who dwelt in the presence of the Lord, couldn't keep ONE commandment. Most of the book of Romans deals with the fact that NONE of us can keep the law.
1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
If I try and keep the law because God commands me I will fail, no matter how hard I try. The reason I can keep any of the law now is because Jesus has freed me from the slavery of my fleshly desires and I WANT to keep it because I love Him and am so grateful to Him for dying for me. BUT I am STILL in my fleshly body, and while in it I will still sin. BUT.....praise Jesus!! because....1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
What I don't understand is if Adam couldn't keep a single commandment, if Israel couldn't keep the commandments, if those living and associating with Jesus while he was on Earth couldn't keep the commandments, why do you think you can? And worse how can you think you will be justified by trying to keep them?
Is sin a must do,, or is sin a choice? I'm trying to understand what you think about sin. I believe we all have made the choice to sin. I do NOT believe we have no choice but to sin. If you believe we must sin, then you believe contrary to what the scriptures teach.
"Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will recieve the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him." ( James 1:12 )
The above scripture denotes a refusal to sin while being tempted!
Each of us are tempted:
"But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed." ( James 1:14 )
"....the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations......" ( 2 Peter 2:9 )
Sin is a choice.. and if we refuse to sin,, the devil will surely hate us even more,
"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Lament and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up." (James 4:7,8,9,10 )
If none of us can keep the law,, why didn't Daniel's friends bow down and worship the gold image that Nebuchadnezzar
made? Instead, they refused to sin,, and were tossed into a fiery furnace!!!! They would rather die than to sin,,isn't that obvious to you?
At any rate, have a good day.
"Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will recieve the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him." ( James 1:12 )
The above scripture denotes a refusal to sin while being tempted!
Each of us are tempted:
"But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed." ( James 1:14 )
"....the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations......" ( 2 Peter 2:9 )
Sin is a choice.. and if we refuse to sin,, the devil will surely hate us even more,
"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Lament and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up." (James 4:7,8,9,10 )
If none of us can keep the law,, why didn't Daniel's friends bow down and worship the gold image that Nebuchadnezzar
made? Instead, they refused to sin,, and were tossed into a fiery furnace!!!! They would rather die than to sin,,isn't that obvious to you?
At any rate, have a good day.
This reply says we obey the Commandments. Of course we should always obey any commandment that falls within the parameters of the two great laws of Love, and of course, the Ten Commandments do just that.
Does anyone believe the Ten Commandments are NOT within the parameters of Love? That would be foolhearty.
Thank you for the lesson on how walking in faith is keeping the Commandments of Yahweh, because it is.
Does anyone believe the Ten Commandments are NOT within the parameters of Love? That would be foolhearty.
Thank you for the lesson on how walking in faith is keeping the Commandments of Yahweh, because it is.
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Jas 2:18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Jas 2:18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
I want to know who here is a NEW CREATURE? Who here can say....THE OLD HAS PASSED AWAY, BEHOLDALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW...
Who here can say that ALL the OLD IS WAYS, and ALL is new? If not, then you are NOT IN CHRIST!!!! And HE IS NOT IN YOU!!
Why bull yourself and others... Be honest without changing this verse... Are there ANY THING OF THE OLD STILL IN YOU... THEN YOU ARE NOT IN CHRIST AND HE IS NOT IN YOU.... Easy to admit and know and understand as that!
Why complicate things? That is Satan's Job... If we sin HE IS NOT IN US, and IF WE DO NOT, THEN HE MADE US A NEW CREATURE....
2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Try not to make God a lier with your response.... God say OLD IS DEAD, AND NEW IS HIMSELF.... AND HE CANNOT SIN!
Who here can say that ALL the OLD IS WAYS, and ALL is new? If not, then you are NOT IN CHRIST!!!! And HE IS NOT IN YOU!!
Why bull yourself and others... Be honest without changing this verse... Are there ANY THING OF THE OLD STILL IN YOU... THEN YOU ARE NOT IN CHRIST AND HE IS NOT IN YOU.... Easy to admit and know and understand as that!
Why complicate things? That is Satan's Job... If we sin HE IS NOT IN US, and IF WE DO NOT, THEN HE MADE US A NEW CREATURE....
2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Try not to make God a lier with your response.... God say OLD IS DEAD, AND NEW IS HIMSELF.... AND HE CANNOT SIN!
E
God can't sin, your right. But God did not remove our flesh nature, He gave birth to our spiritual nature.
Becoming new is having the ability to fight and overcome our old ways, It does NOT MEAN our flesh will not win from time to time. God NEVER taught sinless perfection. He makes it clear. this will not happen till we are in heaven.. We still need to look at him 100 % of the day, or we will fall.. These are facts. I am not sure where you get your doctrine my friend. But it is a dangerous doctrine indeed!
Becoming new is having the ability to fight and overcome our old ways, It does NOT MEAN our flesh will not win from time to time. God NEVER taught sinless perfection. He makes it clear. this will not happen till we are in heaven.. We still need to look at him 100 % of the day, or we will fall.. These are facts. I am not sure where you get your doctrine my friend. But it is a dangerous doctrine indeed!