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We are to have a relationship with God. That relationship is a two way street. . .we talk to him. . . he talks back. Who are we to tell him HOW he should speak to us, or reach us? Rather he speaks directly to us or through his word or through a dream or through a vision or through another person . . . .
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I never said that visions and dreams add to scripture in any way or that scripture is not enough. Just that in our relationship with God He does sometimes give us a vision, which brings encouragement in a certain situation, that makes you see something differently.
I think it's clear that we're to use discernment in all things. Anything that's in opposition to scripture should be rejected.
I never said that visions and dreams add to scripture in any way or that scripture is not enough. Just that in our relationship with God He does sometimes give us a vision, which brings encouragement in a certain situation, that makes you see something differently.
I think it's clear that we're to use discernment in all things. Anything that's in opposition to scripture should be rejected.
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Wow, I'm getting eaten here. Lots of hungry people tonight
I never said that visions and dreams add to scripture in any way or that scripture is not enough. Just that in our relationship with God He does sometimes give us a vision, which brings encouragement in a certain situation, that makes you see something differently.
I think it's clear that we're to use discernment in all things. Anything that's in opposition to scripture should be rejected.
I never said that visions and dreams add to scripture in any way or that scripture is not enough. Just that in our relationship with God He does sometimes give us a vision, which brings encouragement in a certain situation, that makes you see something differently.
I think it's clear that we're to use discernment in all things. Anything that's in opposition to scripture should be rejected.
i just wanted to make some points. Didnt mean to look like i was whatever Katy, just talking
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I've only seen two types of 'dreams from God'.
1 - They are 'sure' its from God, but its unfruitful or even has a negative effect in the long run.
2 - They aren't sure, or aren't sure what it means and goes to others who make guesses.
I've yet to see someone confident in their dream, and have it be a benefit ultimately.
1 - They are 'sure' its from God, but its unfruitful or even has a negative effect in the long run.
2 - They aren't sure, or aren't sure what it means and goes to others who make guesses.
I've yet to see someone confident in their dream, and have it be a benefit ultimately.
Yet we don't see how visions go with scripture. If someone has a vision or dream, and it is from God then it will not go against the Bible.
All we want is evidence they are from God. We have been given no scripture. We have been given ideas and opinions from individuals. Not God.
This is testing the spirits. This is what we are told to do. Examine it. If you or anyone who claims certain wonders is authentic then we would admit it. We haven't seen validation. We are told to discern. We are told not to believe everything. We are doing what we are told, and we know this from reading scripture. Not from a dream or a modern day prophecy.
All we want is evidence they are from God. We have been given no scripture. We have been given ideas and opinions from individuals. Not God.
This is testing the spirits. This is what we are told to do. Examine it. If you or anyone who claims certain wonders is authentic then we would admit it. We haven't seen validation. We are told to discern. We are told not to believe everything. We are doing what we are told, and we know this from reading scripture. Not from a dream or a modern day prophecy.
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Rhema meaning the utterance of God does not exclude the written word.
In fact look at Matt4 and notice Jesus demonstrating that by using the written
word to combat satan. Jesus uttered Gods word, that happened to be written.
While saying we should live by every word God utters. To us the written word.
Actually neither rhema nor logos means the written word.
But we know both were written. And we ought to heed that.
What Jesus taught whether written or new revelation was rhema.
Whatever was written was at first rhema. Which just means utterance.
In fact look at Matt4 and notice Jesus demonstrating that by using the written
word to combat satan. Jesus uttered Gods word, that happened to be written.
While saying we should live by every word God utters. To us the written word.
Actually neither rhema nor logos means the written word.
But we know both were written. And we ought to heed that.
What Jesus taught whether written or new revelation was rhema.
Whatever was written was at first rhema. Which just means utterance.
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Where is the scripture to prove your visions are from God?
Where does it say the Lord will give you visions when the bible says "16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the servant of God[SUP]a[/SUP]may be thoroughly equipped for every good work".
Does this say visions? dreams? THE SCRIPTURES ONLY!
Where does it say the Lord will give you visions when the bible says "16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the servant of God[SUP]a[/SUP]may be thoroughly equipped for every good work".
Does this say visions? dreams? THE SCRIPTURES ONLY!
Yes, as I said we are to test the spirits, use discernment in all things. Everything must be tested with scripture and if it's in opposition we are to reject it. With dreams and visions, you know when they're from God. They are between you and God.
Have I ever shared anything here against scripture? No. Just because I give my opinion in a forum, that I know visions and dreams have not ceased it does not make me a heretic. You are wrongfully judging and pointing the finger.
Are you misunderstanding, because I'm not claiming prophetic dreams and visions. I'm talking about regular dreams and visions from God, that he does sometimes speak to us this way.
Have I ever shared anything here against scripture? No. Just because I give my opinion in a forum, that I know visions and dreams have not ceased it does not make me a heretic. You are wrongfully judging and pointing the finger.
Are you misunderstanding, because I'm not claiming prophetic dreams and visions. I'm talking about regular dreams and visions from God, that he does sometimes speak to us this way.
What I am asking, and have been asking for all along is scripture as evidence. Asking for scripture is not judging. Also, if you want to get in a judging debate we can. The bible doesn't say a Christian cannot judge, but if someone is teaching something false then we are to dismiss it. Before I dismiss you then I need scripture. I haven't been given it.
"knowing it is from God" tells me nothing. How does one know? What does the bible say about it?
"knowing it is from God" tells me nothing. How does one know? What does the bible say about it?
No I didn't say that.
What value would my dream have to you? It may be encouraging somewhat if I share it (mine was relating to faith/doubting), but then I don't share such things on these forums because we are here to study God's word and not depend on a person's dream or vision.
As I originally stated in this thread, I gave my opinion on dreams and visions and was going to leave it at that. Just because I have an opinion, differing from yours, does not make me a heretic.
What value would my dream have to you? It may be encouraging somewhat if I share it (mine was relating to faith/doubting), but then I don't share such things on these forums because we are here to study God's word and not depend on a person's dream or vision.
As I originally stated in this thread, I gave my opinion on dreams and visions and was going to leave it at that. Just because I have an opinion, differing from yours, does not make me a heretic.