Music in Church?
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David was not a Christian and David did not follow NT worship as directed by God for Christ took all the OT, along with its carnal type of worship, out of the way. God does not change but there was a change in laws, Heb 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."
this is off-topic (not that we couldn't all use a bit of change-of-topic at this point, haha, in fact, that's why i'm posting this) -- but reading 1 Corinthians 11, it appears to me that what Paul considered "the Lord's Supper" was not a ritualistic eating of a taste of unleavened bread and a few drops of wine, but a communal feast.
so i'd say that Coca-Cola[SUP]®[/SUP] and Pepsi[SUP]®[/SUP] and frankfurters are not outside the bounds of an acceptable meal to be shared and eaten in remembrance of the Lord's sacrificial atonement.
i'm a bit younger than you guys, so am going by hearsay, but it might have been Lemon's Superior Sparkling Ginger Ale[SUP]®[/SUP] --- though i am skeptical about the veracity of such a statement.
So when Christ took the unleaven bread and fruit of the vine and said "this do" (1 Cor 11:24,25) you would be doing what Christ said to do by using hot dogs and cokes and not unleaven bread and fruit of the vine?
Acts 20:7 it was God who brings the disciples together on the first day of the week. For Christians to come together as God requires, then Christians must physcially have a place to come together. God left it to the expediency of the Christians if that place has air cond., bathrooms, carpet, windows, etc
Just as in the great commission Jesus commanded the disciple to "go" but did not specify in that command as to how they were to go for He left it to their expediency to go by walking, horseback, ship, cars, planes, internet, etc. AS long as they obey by going Christ left up up to them as to how to go.
When God commanded Noah to build the ark, Noah could use tools, have help in building the ark as means of expediency in carrying out the command to build the ark, but Noah could not do anything to CHANGE that command.
When it comes to worship, God specifically command singing and that is not left up to man's expediency to change.
I suggest your read more and I have noticed that your post contain little to no truth...so does that make us even?
Not to mention...in order to be a brother in Christ you have to actually be born again and preach and teach the truth about biblical salvation instead of trusting into works and self....!
Go tell that to Jesus, John the Baptist, Paul, Elijah and others who had many controversial things to say.....IGNORANCE is not a bad word...just means you don't KNOW...so if I would have used STUPID then you would have a valid CLAIM..and if you don't like it...don't read what I write!
And a careful study will reveal that the majority of my posts are just fine without any abrasiveness...so does that make you a liar by stretching the truth.....!
Not to mention...in order to be a brother in Christ you have to actually be born again and preach and teach the truth about biblical salvation instead of trusting into works and self....!
Go tell that to Jesus, John the Baptist, Paul, Elijah and others who had many controversial things to say.....IGNORANCE is not a bad word...just means you don't KNOW...so if I would have used STUPID then you would have a valid CLAIM..and if you don't like it...don't read what I write!
And a careful study will reveal that the majority of my posts are just fine without any abrasiveness...so does that make you a liar by stretching the truth.....!
For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk.
(1 Corinthians 11:21)
15 grams of bread and 1.5 fluid ounces of wine don't constitute a "meal" to my understanding - and is hardly enough to keep one from going hungry, or to make one drunk.
in the upper room, they ate a full meal, don't you think? so when He says "as often as you do this" -- what exactly is the "this" He's referring to? they weren't all sitting at the table to have a tiny tasting rite, as far as i understand it.
In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying,
“This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
(1 Corinthians 11:25)
Paul says He took the cup "after supper" -- what's the connotation of "supper" to you? just a sip and a nibble?
So then, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for one another— if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home—so that when you come together it will not be for judgment.
(1 Corinthians 11:33-34)
Paul says "when you come together to eat" -- when you take ritual communion at church, does it count as "lunch" to you? do you count it as "supper" or a "meal" ? why would Paul be talking about this as though it were a pot-luck dinner where some people weren't sharing, if what they were calling 'the Lord's supper' was much less than even what anyone who isn't in a famine would call a light snack?
so yes, i think that whenever we eat together we should be honoring God with the meal, remembering Him as our bread and wine, that this is the Lord' supper, not a ceremonial rite, and i don't believe there is a command that we should limit our diets to unleavened bread and wine.
whether we eat bread and wine, or beans and cornbread & sweet tea together, it should be done in remembrance of Him.
Eph 5:18 "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;"
Eph 5:19 "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;"
Eph 5:20 "Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;"
Eph 5:21 "Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God."
"Be filled with the spirit" verse 18 is in the imperative mood. How does one obey this command to be filled with the spirit?
(Same is true in Col 3:16 "let the word of Christ dwell in you" is also imperative mood)
Paul gives the participle "singing" in both Eph 5;19 and Col 3;16 as one way to "be filled with the spirit/let Christ's word dwell in you". This participle becomes an imperative itself for it must be done to obey the imperatives to be "filled with the spirit/word dwell in you". Paul is speaking to congregations, plurality of people, "singing' being a plural participle therefore instructing the whole church not just one individual.
Eph 5:19 "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;"
Eph 5:20 "Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;"
Eph 5:21 "Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God."
"Be filled with the spirit" verse 18 is in the imperative mood. How does one obey this command to be filled with the spirit?
(Same is true in Col 3:16 "let the word of Christ dwell in you" is also imperative mood)
Paul gives the participle "singing" in both Eph 5;19 and Col 3;16 as one way to "be filled with the spirit/let Christ's word dwell in you". This participle becomes an imperative itself for it must be done to obey the imperatives to be "filled with the spirit/word dwell in you". Paul is speaking to congregations, plurality of people, "singing' being a plural participle therefore instructing the whole church not just one individual.
The principle for not using IM comes from the bible and God's command to sing. Secular history will show the early church did not use IM but man, not GOd, made changes adding IM a couple or so centuries after the church began.
If "legalism" is an issue, then if I do not have to do what God's word says when it comes to singing, then I do not have to be "legalistic" and do anything God's word says.
It is present, passive imperative and shows a state of CONTINUAL ACTION...the subordinate clauses found sets forth the evidence of being continually filled...this has NOTHING at all to do with assembly capacity worship, but rather is indicative of going about one's daily business...nice try, but no cigar!
We had a great worshipful weekend. God's people were singing Him praise.....we used instruments eek and my Lord and Savior Jesus, accepted our pathetic attempt at worshipping Him and drew close to us.
eek and my Lord and Savior Jesus, accepted our pathetic attempt at worshipping Him and drew close to us.
How do you know it was accepted? Based upon your feelings/opinion or upon the bible. You know there are 1000's of religious organizations out there that all contradict each other in what they believe. Can they all be right in their beliefs/worship to God while in contradiction?