-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
It's the same old message. Skinski demands people be morally perfect, while he himself does not attain to what he demands of others. It is becoming tedious, the message never changes. Do what I say, not what I do
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: [SUP]2 [/SUP]“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. [SUP]4[/SUP]Matt23:1-3
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: [SUP]2 [/SUP]“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. [SUP]4[/SUP]Matt23:1-3
Last edited:
You make bold claims yet deny what the Bible teaches.
The free gift of God is eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
One must be IN the Spirit of life which is found in Christ Jesus.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
It is a walk after the Spirit as opposed to walking in the flesh. There is NOTHING POSITIONAL about it. The Bible does not teach that you "ACCEPT HIS GIFT." The Bible teaches that you RECEIVE THE IMPLANTED WORD and that you do that by FORSAKING REBELLION (ie. repentance).
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Thus a person who "receives Jesus" is a "doer of the word." There is no such thing as a Christian rebel. The fruit one manifests in their life reveals who they belong to, whether they be a child of the devil or a child of God.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Jesus ransomed us by His blood (Hos 13:14, 1Tim 2:5, 1Cor 6:20) in order that we die to sin (Rom 6:11) and thus no longer yield to it (Rom 6:6, Rom 6:12-13). Those who refuse to yield themselves unto righteousness are refusing His ransom offer and are thus choosing to remain a servant of Satan (Joh 8:44) for that is whom they continue to obey (Rom 6:16, 1Joh 3:8).
This false Gospel of "salvation in sin" is in complete opposition to the Bible. God does not impute sin to those who have forsaken their sin and are faithful to His lead. The rebellious have no forgiveness. They must repent!
The free gift of God is eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
One must be IN the Spirit of life which is found in Christ Jesus.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
It is a walk after the Spirit as opposed to walking in the flesh. There is NOTHING POSITIONAL about it. The Bible does not teach that you "ACCEPT HIS GIFT." The Bible teaches that you RECEIVE THE IMPLANTED WORD and that you do that by FORSAKING REBELLION (ie. repentance).
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Thus a person who "receives Jesus" is a "doer of the word." There is no such thing as a Christian rebel. The fruit one manifests in their life reveals who they belong to, whether they be a child of the devil or a child of God.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Jesus ransomed us by His blood (Hos 13:14, 1Tim 2:5, 1Cor 6:20) in order that we die to sin (Rom 6:11) and thus no longer yield to it (Rom 6:6, Rom 6:12-13). Those who refuse to yield themselves unto righteousness are refusing His ransom offer and are thus choosing to remain a servant of Satan (Joh 8:44) for that is whom they continue to obey (Rom 6:16, 1Joh 3:8).
This false Gospel of "salvation in sin" is in complete opposition to the Bible. God does not impute sin to those who have forsaken their sin and are faithful to His lead. The rebellious have no forgiveness. They must repent!
C
We are declared righteous because of the blood of the Lamb, but like Isaiah said our righteousness is as filthy rags to the Lord, no one is perfect, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, but apparently you see yourself in a better light than the prophets, and the apostles, even Paul said he is the chief of sinners and a wretched man
You are like the Pharasie that looked down at the tax collector and stated "I thank God you have not made me like other men" don't worry though God will knock you down from your high horse
You are like the Pharasie that looked down at the tax collector and stated "I thank God you have not made me like other men" don't worry though God will knock you down from your high horse
Paul claimed to be morally perfect.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect (G5046), be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Do you scoff at him too?
Paul wrote this...
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
Why do you deny it?
Paul wrote this...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Why do you deny that?
Paul also stated this about his lifestyle...
Act_23:1 And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.
Act_24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.
Why is such a thing denied by many today?
Why is the following denied today...
2Co 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2Co 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2Co 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
2Co 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
2Co 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
2Co 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
2Co 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.
Instead it's 1Joh 1:8, the Romans wretch, and Paul the chief of sinners. Sinning every day in thought, word and deed. Anything but the heart purity clearly taught in the Bible.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect (G5046), be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Do you scoff at him too?
Paul wrote this...
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
Why do you deny it?
Paul wrote this...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Why do you deny that?
Paul also stated this about his lifestyle...
Act_23:1 And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.
Act_24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.
Why is such a thing denied by many today?
Why is the following denied today...
2Co 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2Co 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2Co 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
2Co 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
2Co 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
2Co 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
2Co 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.
Instead it's 1Joh 1:8, the Romans wretch, and Paul the chief of sinners. Sinning every day in thought, word and deed. Anything but the heart purity clearly taught in the Bible.
I think those that hold dear to the "must be perfect" doctrine think that since we say that we are saved and in the same breath claim to have some sin that we have yet to conquer, think somehow or another that we love our sin and it doesn't bother us in the slightest bit and we lust for it and can't get enough of it. If that were true, then I would back Skinski up 100% and say you probably are not saved (and to be fair to Skinski, sometimes these threads can come across that way). But only God knows the heart. Repentance means to change physically from sin, but also to have a heart change towards sin, and to hate it. Many sins we have physically repented of and are still in the process of turning from, and probably all of the sin we commit we hate with all of our being. I think that's what true repentance is. Perfection is just impossible, even for you Skinski.
Did you read? Do you see the lesson is from the Word? Are you so unlearned you need chapter and verse? It is written, and I have read and understood. It is there for all to read and understand. You have said it, several cuts and pastes do not demonstrate understanding, not one bit. Your sharing must be from the heart soul and mind from understanding by the Holy Spirit, otherwise to the family in Yeshua your words are irritating and not healing.
Skinski,
Just answer me this without using scripture, because if you read my signature you'll know why I say this. I just want to hear from the real you. If we are to be perfect, then explain this:
heir work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
To me, this means that on Judgment Day our works will be tested. All of our sins and things we did not for Christ but for man's approval will be burned up. We will suffer loss of reward, but YET WILL BE SAVED. Are you saying that when God puts your deeds to His holy fire and it is tested that you will render 100% pure good deeds and receive a full reward with no loss?
Just answer me this without using scripture, because if you read my signature you'll know why I say this. I just want to hear from the real you. If we are to be perfect, then explain this:
heir work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
To me, this means that on Judgment Day our works will be tested. All of our sins and things we did not for Christ but for man's approval will be burned up. We will suffer loss of reward, but YET WILL BE SAVED. Are you saying that when God puts your deeds to His holy fire and it is tested that you will render 100% pure good deeds and receive a full reward with no loss?
If you need those numbers because your spirit does not recognize truth from the Word there are references with the same post I posted earlier which you criticize as not being "scriptural." Be it known, those who post in the love of God here may possible make a minor error but they are in the spirit if they are in the Love that is God.......
Read Palm 32: The Love that is God the Father teaches we are seen as perfect by Him because we have accepted His gift in the Blood of Jesus Christ, Yeshua, as propitiation for our sins. Read Psalm 49: As it is written, the ransom of our soul is very expensive, too expensive for creatures who have nothing. Yes, we are perfect because our God is perfect, He does not impute the guilt of our sin to us, therefore we are perfect because He is perfect. He is light years beyond being perfect as is His great love for each of us. Philipians 1:I am not perfect in myself nor will I ever be perfect in the flesh, but He will not abandon the work He began in me in 1969, Good Friday, when His Holy Spirit entered into me teaching me everything will be just fine. We should allow for our brethren to also be perfected, if not, we have not truly accepted the free gift of salvation. Praise our Maker, He is good always, and He is worthy, amen.
Last edited:
Skinski,
One other question for you, How do you yourself know that you are a child of God? What is it that on that day when we will all be judged that you know that you will be judged as being one of His,and for Him to say well done good and faithful servant or to say depart from me for I never knew you? What is it that you are basing your own salvation on?
One other question for you, How do you yourself know that you are a child of God? What is it that on that day when we will all be judged that you know that you will be judged as being one of His,and for Him to say well done good and faithful servant or to say depart from me for I never knew you? What is it that you are basing your own salvation on?
P
Dear Skinski,
Earlier on this thread you responded to me saying that I would sin less and less as I became more hard-wired to God. I agreed with that statement, as it speaks to my experience. But tell me, when you were saved, were you instantly perfected or, like you explained to me, did you sin less and less as you became more hard-wired to God (that is, you still sinned after you were saved)? And if that is true, then if God would have taken your life before you were completely hard-wired to God (as you claim to be now), would you have still been saved, because of what Jesus did for you on the cross, loving you that much, or would God have turned you away because you were not yet perfect?
Earlier on this thread you responded to me saying that I would sin less and less as I became more hard-wired to God. I agreed with that statement, as it speaks to my experience. But tell me, when you were saved, were you instantly perfected or, like you explained to me, did you sin less and less as you became more hard-wired to God (that is, you still sinned after you were saved)? And if that is true, then if God would have taken your life before you were completely hard-wired to God (as you claim to be now), would you have still been saved, because of what Jesus did for you on the cross, loving you that much, or would God have turned you away because you were not yet perfect?
T
Hey Biggie, one thing I have learnt in life is God builds His church from living stones cemented together by love and real relationships. When all i see is someone quote scripture and gives NO testimony of anything from their own life and how God worked in an area to free them, they give no glory to God for HIS work in their lives. As others have said....that is pride. Pretty ugly if you ask me but unfortunately those walking in pride dont see it, they are blinded by how well THEY are doing taking all the credit for themselves.
When I see people being honest, vulnerable, share from their heart about their imperfections, they are the people I know are giving glory to God. People really should learn communication skills rather than quoting from the bible. After all who appointed someone to preach AT others in here? The arrogance is blinding. I've spent 29 years studying Gods word, I can hold my own in that arena but as in all things I submit to the Lord and share what I feels right.....speaking to peoples hearts to encourage. Without love we are a resounding gong...........and those give me a headache!
My-Adonai....as a new christian , in my teenage years, whenever I fell into sin I was so convicted, devastated, fearful.....a whole hosts of emotions that made me feel awful. One day the Lord spoke to me and said " look at a piece of coal, black on the inside and black on the outside. Now look at a piece of marble. White on the inside, white on the outside. Now roll the piece of marble in a pile of coal. Now both the marble and the coal look the same but if you cut them both in half one is pure white on the inside and the other is still black. walking in this world we will get dirty". This is why Jesus said to Peter once you have had a bath you only need to wash your feet. The enemy will accused the moment you mess up, but know that the lord has cleaned you up and IS cleaning you on a daily basis. When you give your life to the Lord He gives you a new heart but your mind is the same old, thinking the same old way....this leads to sin. So thats why its important to renew our mind and have the mind of Christ, view things His way and not our own. Our hearts are new our mind isnt.
Many still live from the "dont touch, dont taste" mentality...RULES. But when the Lord gives you a new understanding it is THEN that you nolonger want the sin at all! For example, as a young christian I understood that sex before marraige was wrong, its a sin. But I had many questions as to WHY? After all, sex is an enjoyable thing and God made it for pleasure as well as procreation. So the Lord started to show me different situations around me, couples who got together where they had previous partners, the fact it made them feel UNspecial to the other person, that someone had already had that intimacy with their b/f or g/f ....something that should have been so special and unique between two people was being tainted. I started to see how God loves us SO much He wants the very best of everything, the way He design it, not to see us sold short. Understanding His love, His design for things CHANGES how you think...so you start thinking as the Lord does, seeing it His way and not desiring the sin at all.
Many still live by the rules....fall into sin....repent straight away and think they have succeeded! Thats not becoming a new creation in Christ at all....its legalism.
T
Cary, abandonment issues can often effect yourself in the way you neglect and abandon yourself....which would explain why smoking is hard to quit.Like your heart desperately wants to do whats right but your damaged spirit is working in opposition. Dont focus on the presenting issue (smoking) focus on the unhealed areas in your spirit and seek the Lord for your healing in this area. Forgiveness to those that did it to you will defiantly be the first step of your healing.....and as I shared earlier.... forgiveness from the heart is not easy! Its not about just "saying" yes I forgive....it is something very deep in us. As the years have gone buy I have found it easier to forgive at heart level by thinking of these things:
My fight is NOT against flesh and blood. It is the enemy that has also damaged the other person that lead them to behave in that towards me. If they were healed, they wouldnt have done it. Therefore it is the ENEMY who is to blame, not the person. The person are also captive by the enemy therefore I will pray for their release, ther healing and for God to pour in His love to their heart. We are called to pray for our "enemies" and love them.
When someone has done something to us we are bound up because we feel "they owe us". Whether its an apology or an explanation for their behaviour. Think about the person who has hurt you....imagine how you would feel if they came to you, broken by God, begging you to forgive them, and DEEPLY sorry for what they had done? Would you forgive them then? When we forgive, we CANCELLED the debt owed to us. We are not "letting them off the hook" because God WILL deal with them and bring them to that place of understanding....whether in this life or on the day of judgement. But either way...God WILL deal with it.
Forgiveness will get in the way of my relationship with God......I will NOT allow what someone has done to me to effect my walk with the Lord. It is of the enemy.......THEY are not my enemy. I will NOT allow him or anyone else to have that power over my life.
I hope that helps Cary...GBU
My fight is NOT against flesh and blood. It is the enemy that has also damaged the other person that lead them to behave in that towards me. If they were healed, they wouldnt have done it. Therefore it is the ENEMY who is to blame, not the person. The person are also captive by the enemy therefore I will pray for their release, ther healing and for God to pour in His love to their heart. We are called to pray for our "enemies" and love them.
When someone has done something to us we are bound up because we feel "they owe us". Whether its an apology or an explanation for their behaviour. Think about the person who has hurt you....imagine how you would feel if they came to you, broken by God, begging you to forgive them, and DEEPLY sorry for what they had done? Would you forgive them then? When we forgive, we CANCELLED the debt owed to us. We are not "letting them off the hook" because God WILL deal with them and bring them to that place of understanding....whether in this life or on the day of judgement. But either way...God WILL deal with it.
Forgiveness will get in the way of my relationship with God......I will NOT allow what someone has done to me to effect my walk with the Lord. It is of the enemy.......THEY are not my enemy. I will NOT allow him or anyone else to have that power over my life.
I hope that helps Cary...GBU
Thanks Twofeet.
You know one thing i try to do is understand the points that people put across, no matter how judgemental they might be, no matter how condemning. One thing God knows is to they proud ""come to me now"", never brushing us off. always tugging into our hearts, and i believe its the way you see things affects how you do them, so yes not bad to ask your self why this and why that? asking God to take hold of our thoughts and direct us the way HE wants.
so carey its all about, why do you smoke? when did the habit start and what led you to do that? it could be something inherited, does not hurt to ask GOD to search us out!!..
You know one thing i try to do is understand the points that people put across, no matter how judgemental they might be, no matter how condemning. One thing God knows is to they proud ""come to me now"", never brushing us off. always tugging into our hearts, and i believe its the way you see things affects how you do them, so yes not bad to ask your self why this and why that? asking God to take hold of our thoughts and direct us the way HE wants.
so carey its all about, why do you smoke? when did the habit start and what led you to do that? it could be something inherited, does not hurt to ask GOD to search us out!!..
J
Sin separates you from God. One sin does not separate you any farther than another. But there is a difference. The difference is not about how horrible the sin, but we must consider reaping and sowing. The reaping is different for different sins. A teenager who steals a candy bar doesn't receive the same consequence as a murderer. There differences in punishment, even though a murderer may have the distance between himself and God as petty thief does.
Carey, the greater issue hear is that you disobeyed God (left church) because of the sin I his people. That's like leaving your husband because your toddler was mean to you. God called is to be in fellowship, and most of the new testament is pretty clear that we are still supposed to be in fellowship even if the churches are far from perfect. Did you check out other churches? Every letter was sent to resolve an issue in the church. They had some heavy issues. But Paul
never disbanded the church for their humanity. He exhorted them to become more like Jesus.
As for sin Carey, I do not think your sin is any better or worse than mine. It may have difference consequences like lung cancer verses a ticket for a thief, but it is just another way of disobeying God. You are correct that te church is very judgemental. They are also gossips. But who matters more? I am just shy of being a leader in my church. Everyone knows me. I am on the stage just about every Sunday. I greet all the new people. I teach Sunday school. I'm the person people go to when they have a question about the church. This has its benefits, but it also means I'm at the mercy of people's big mouths, judgement, gossip, etc. But you know what, while it hurts, I'm not there to please them. In there for The Lord. The people who count know me and if something comes up about me they will either address me on it or disregard it because thy know its not true. We cannot allow another's sin to cripple us. If their sin causes is to sin, its on us. We made the choice to leave instead of find another church or deal with it more directly.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen people leave the church because they didn't wat to deal with conflict appropriately.
1. A married man with the most gorgeous wife ever and three adorable little girls made a very aggressive pass at me while at That verse speaks of the natural consequences of our words. There is a supernatural effect also, but naturally speaking when we speak truth we have more life. When we speak negativity and death, we die.
Soeaking out truth will help. Even when you don't believe it, speaking it out will help. You see, God is able to hear your thoughts. The Devil cannot, but that's ok because because we speak enough for him to use against us. When he hears the lies you speak, he infects your mind with those lies. When you start saying truth, you hold up a shield and the enemy loses ground. You strike with the sword of the spirit. The word is sharper than any two edges sword. It is an offensive weapon. Sometimes I cannot even determine what truth to speak and then I realized any truth is better than none. Here's one: God is good. Say it. Even if you feel like you're lying to yourself. Say it. God will prove Himself to you. Here's another: God is bigger than this. Even if it feel foreign and the first thing you think is an argument against it, say it. God isn't afraid of your anger, doubt, despair. He's not intimidated that you don't believe. He loves you so much and he's willing to do anything to show you he's there.church. He was hungover, and acting rediculous. I told the pastor and he was confronted right away. He left the church and move came back. He took his kids, wife, and father. He should have just manned up and come back. I wasn't harassing him. No one told him to leave. Instead of deal with the people, he ttook his entire family out of church.
2. Another man was attending a bible study meant for the worship team. Because of his special circumstances he was allowed to come for a while, but when he was asked to go to another kinship (of the dozen) at the church, he simply left the church.
3. My own ex-husband completely left the church and God because he was asked to step down ffrom worship because e needed to find a job and he wasn't looking for one. The pastors offered to mentor him an help him find a job. They offered to show him exactly what to do, but he just got angry and left the church. Even then the pastors reached out to reconcile and he rejected every bit.
Carey, the greater issue hear is that you disobeyed God (left church) because of the sin I his people. That's like leaving your husband because your toddler was mean to you. God called is to be in fellowship, and most of the new testament is pretty clear that we are still supposed to be in fellowship even if the churches are far from perfect. Did you check out other churches? Every letter was sent to resolve an issue in the church. They had some heavy issues. But Paul
never disbanded the church for their humanity. He exhorted them to become more like Jesus.
As for sin Carey, I do not think your sin is any better or worse than mine. It may have difference consequences like lung cancer verses a ticket for a thief, but it is just another way of disobeying God. You are correct that te church is very judgemental. They are also gossips. But who matters more? I am just shy of being a leader in my church. Everyone knows me. I am on the stage just about every Sunday. I greet all the new people. I teach Sunday school. I'm the person people go to when they have a question about the church. This has its benefits, but it also means I'm at the mercy of people's big mouths, judgement, gossip, etc. But you know what, while it hurts, I'm not there to please them. In there for The Lord. The people who count know me and if something comes up about me they will either address me on it or disregard it because thy know its not true. We cannot allow another's sin to cripple us. If their sin causes is to sin, its on us. We made the choice to leave instead of find another church or deal with it more directly.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen people leave the church because they didn't wat to deal with conflict appropriately.
1. A married man with the most gorgeous wife ever and three adorable little girls made a very aggressive pass at me while at That verse speaks of the natural consequences of our words. There is a supernatural effect also, but naturally speaking when we speak truth we have more life. When we speak negativity and death, we die.
Soeaking out truth will help. Even when you don't believe it, speaking it out will help. You see, God is able to hear your thoughts. The Devil cannot, but that's ok because because we speak enough for him to use against us. When he hears the lies you speak, he infects your mind with those lies. When you start saying truth, you hold up a shield and the enemy loses ground. You strike with the sword of the spirit. The word is sharper than any two edges sword. It is an offensive weapon. Sometimes I cannot even determine what truth to speak and then I realized any truth is better than none. Here's one: God is good. Say it. Even if you feel like you're lying to yourself. Say it. God will prove Himself to you. Here's another: God is bigger than this. Even if it feel foreign and the first thing you think is an argument against it, say it. God isn't afraid of your anger, doubt, despair. He's not intimidated that you don't believe. He loves you so much and he's willing to do anything to show you he's there.church. He was hungover, and acting rediculous. I told the pastor and he was confronted right away. He left the church and move came back. He took his kids, wife, and father. He should have just manned up and come back. I wasn't harassing him. No one told him to leave. Instead of deal with the people, he ttook his entire family out of church.
2. Another man was attending a bible study meant for the worship team. Because of his special circumstances he was allowed to come for a while, but when he was asked to go to another kinship (of the dozen) at the church, he simply left the church.
3. My own ex-husband completely left the church and God because he was asked to step down ffrom worship because e needed to find a job and he wasn't looking for one. The pastors offered to mentor him an help him find a job. They offered to show him exactly what to do, but he just got angry and left the church. Even then the pastors reached out to reconcile and he rejected every bit.
C
First off who are you to tell me I have left God? Because I am not currently attending a church, seriously!! What because every church I have been to so far is not preaching the truth, instead they preach what the people want to hear! When I find a church that actually preaches the truth I will attend it