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it is a process....it's like a race, some go off fast with the gun and keep up a fast pace all the way round the track, others are slower, steady, others may even stumble, get exhausted and feel like giving up...but we all cross the line!! Hi Purple,
What is not being preached in most churches is the crucifixion of the flesh. It is denied.
James describes the reason people sin...
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Sinners are drawn away by the lust of their flesh and they yield to it. Christian's DON'T DO THAT.
Christian's have done this...
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Thus a Christian does this...
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
That is what the Bible teaches. Yet modern theology ignores it and denies it. People won't even speak about those passages because they prove their "easy salvation" wrong.
Very few people in this world are willing to lay aside their sin. They prefer to hang on to some of it and thus so easily buy into Satan's lie that they can sin and not surely die.
Paul wrote this...
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
The old man is crucified when we die with Christ. This is where we put off the flesh with its passions and desires, it is the forsaking of rebellion to God. It is how we escape the corruption in the world through lust. It is this...
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
You see one cannot abide in transgression and abide in Christ at the same time. It's impossible. We belong to whom we serve...
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
The people who are set free from sin are the ones who OBEY. They obeyed from the heart the doctrine of Christ.
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
By obeying God they repented and forsook their sin. ALL OF IT. They laid aside all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness and received with meekness the implanted word. It is impossible to receive the implanted word when in rebellion because rebellion is REJECTING it.
This is why Jesus taught...
Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
If one is still yielding to the lusts of their flesh and sinning against God then there eye IS NOT single. They are double minded and trying to serve two master. Jesus said you cannot do this.
In fact Jesus warned that you can have a light in you that is actually great darkness. Jesus was speaking about SELF DECEPTION.
The doctrine of Christ which is according to godliness has been utterly rejected by the vast majority of people who profess Jesus Christ as Lord. They hate His teaching yet profess to love Him. They cling to the promises but reject all the conditions. It is pure foolishness and it is a great tragedy.
When people who do obey God warn these professors that they are still under judgment they scoff and mock at them and call them names. Isn't that exactly what those in Israel did to the prophets who warned them that judgment hung over their heads?
Nothing has changed. Only a FEW have ears to hear because only a FEW are honest in their heart. Remember the parable of the sower...
Luk 8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
Luk 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
Luk 8:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
Luk 8:8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Luk 8:9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luk 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Luk 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
Luk 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Now there is a process of growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ but that is in the context of learning more and applying it to your walk. Growing in Christ has NOTHING to do with rebelling less or gradually forsaking more and more sin. The sin stops in repentance because the rebellion ends in repentance. If one does not forsake all known sin in repentance then they did not truly repent and are still in rebellion.
It is that simple!
Jesus came to save us from our sins, He did not come to save is IN them. This saved IN sin nonsense is a reprobate satanic gospel message which has fooled millions.
What is not being preached in most churches is the crucifixion of the flesh. It is denied.
James describes the reason people sin...
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Sinners are drawn away by the lust of their flesh and they yield to it. Christian's DON'T DO THAT.
Christian's have done this...
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Thus a Christian does this...
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
That is what the Bible teaches. Yet modern theology ignores it and denies it. People won't even speak about those passages because they prove their "easy salvation" wrong.
Very few people in this world are willing to lay aside their sin. They prefer to hang on to some of it and thus so easily buy into Satan's lie that they can sin and not surely die.
Paul wrote this...
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
The old man is crucified when we die with Christ. This is where we put off the flesh with its passions and desires, it is the forsaking of rebellion to God. It is how we escape the corruption in the world through lust. It is this...
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
You see one cannot abide in transgression and abide in Christ at the same time. It's impossible. We belong to whom we serve...
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
The people who are set free from sin are the ones who OBEY. They obeyed from the heart the doctrine of Christ.
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
By obeying God they repented and forsook their sin. ALL OF IT. They laid aside all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness and received with meekness the implanted word. It is impossible to receive the implanted word when in rebellion because rebellion is REJECTING it.
This is why Jesus taught...
Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
If one is still yielding to the lusts of their flesh and sinning against God then there eye IS NOT single. They are double minded and trying to serve two master. Jesus said you cannot do this.
In fact Jesus warned that you can have a light in you that is actually great darkness. Jesus was speaking about SELF DECEPTION.
The doctrine of Christ which is according to godliness has been utterly rejected by the vast majority of people who profess Jesus Christ as Lord. They hate His teaching yet profess to love Him. They cling to the promises but reject all the conditions. It is pure foolishness and it is a great tragedy.
When people who do obey God warn these professors that they are still under judgment they scoff and mock at them and call them names. Isn't that exactly what those in Israel did to the prophets who warned them that judgment hung over their heads?
Nothing has changed. Only a FEW have ears to hear because only a FEW are honest in their heart. Remember the parable of the sower...
Luk 8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
Luk 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
Luk 8:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
Luk 8:8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Luk 8:9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luk 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Luk 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
Luk 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Now there is a process of growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ but that is in the context of learning more and applying it to your walk. Growing in Christ has NOTHING to do with rebelling less or gradually forsaking more and more sin. The sin stops in repentance because the rebellion ends in repentance. If one does not forsake all known sin in repentance then they did not truly repent and are still in rebellion.
It is that simple!
Jesus came to save us from our sins, He did not come to save is IN them. This saved IN sin nonsense is a reprobate satanic gospel message which has fooled millions.
Those born of God keep themselves as opposed to yielding to sin.
1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
We are to do this...
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
The wicked do not do that, they are still enslaved by the passions of their flesh. They allow their fleshly desires to rule over them instead of ruling over the flesh by the Spirit.
God's people do this...
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Paul warned of ANOTHER JESUS.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Paul warned the Corinthians...
2Co 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
2Co 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
We are to do this...
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
The wicked do not do that, they are still enslaved by the passions of their flesh. They allow their fleshly desires to rule over them instead of ruling over the flesh by the Spirit.
God's people do this...
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Paul warned of ANOTHER JESUS.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Paul warned the Corinthians...
2Co 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
2Co 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Let’s get down to brass tacks with an actual situation that has come up in my life.
My dear, dear friend who I can discuss scripture with frankly, who I dearly love, has gone through a rough period in her life. She was deserted by her husband when she had no job skills. My son and his wife were almost her only support. Their spiritual and emotional support were very important to her, as well as their financial support. They are still very important to her after she can stand alone financially.
She got through a job training course, got a very good job and is doing fine, now.
She found a younger man who is depending on her to support him,now, and moved in with her.
My kid’s reaction is to say they no longer want any communication with her until she stops living in sin with this man. We have illustrations in scripture that show this as being OK as they think of themselves as representatives of the church. I am led to offer her my friendship apart from what she is doing. I even give her my understanding of what led her to accepting this. My daughter's reaction is deeply critical of her brother.
After reading your posts, what is your response to this situation? Please only think of it as what you think God’s way is for how we are to respond to this situation.
My dear, dear friend who I can discuss scripture with frankly, who I dearly love, has gone through a rough period in her life. She was deserted by her husband when she had no job skills. My son and his wife were almost her only support. Their spiritual and emotional support were very important to her, as well as their financial support. They are still very important to her after she can stand alone financially.
She got through a job training course, got a very good job and is doing fine, now.
She found a younger man who is depending on her to support him,now, and moved in with her.
My kid’s reaction is to say they no longer want any communication with her until she stops living in sin with this man. We have illustrations in scripture that show this as being OK as they think of themselves as representatives of the church. I am led to offer her my friendship apart from what she is doing. I even give her my understanding of what led her to accepting this. My daughter's reaction is deeply critical of her brother.
After reading your posts, what is your response to this situation? Please only think of it as what you think God’s way is for how we are to respond to this situation.
C
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Not sure if you are asking for my opinion on the situation or not, but I believe you are in the right, compassion is going to lead someone closer to Christ before condemnation will, though you do not condone what she does, you have not given up on her,, how can we only support someone when they are doing everything right? We support and show compassion when they fall down, they will remember that
Not sure if you are asking for my opinion on the situation or not, but I believe you are in the right, compassion is going to lead someone closer to Christ before condemnation will, though you do not condone what she does, you have not given up on her,, how can we only support someone when they are doing everything right? We support and show compassion when they fall down, they will remember that
1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
It is not harsh to put a sinner out of the congregation. It is for the benefit of both the congregation and the sinner, for the congregation to keep things pure, and for the sinner to shame them to repentance.
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
It is not harsh to put a sinner out of the congregation. It is for the benefit of both the congregation and the sinner, for the congregation to keep things pure, and for the sinner to shame them to repentance.
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I think the pharisees proved this very thing, their sin was inward. and they were just as condemned as the sinners, for most even more condemned, because since their sin was inward, they did not see thier sin, and in doing so, they crucified the one who could have saved them..
and yes, we have many people like this today.
and yes, we have many people like this today.
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Skinski7...seriously dude, we all have bibles and we all know how to read them.
You know one thing that I love in my Bible is how it says that if you deny him then the Heavenly Father will deny you. Then there goes Peter denying Him 3 times in one night....not just once...repeatedly. I love the way Jesus sought him out...found him fishing, gone back to his old life, no doubt Peter thought he was a failure but Jesus beautifully restored him and forgave him. I much prefer Jesus way of doing things, always have.
You know one thing that I love in my Bible is how it says that if you deny him then the Heavenly Father will deny you. Then there goes Peter denying Him 3 times in one night....not just once...repeatedly. I love the way Jesus sought him out...found him fishing, gone back to his old life, no doubt Peter thought he was a failure but Jesus beautifully restored him and forgave him. I much prefer Jesus way of doing things, always have.
God deals with you in the present. Peter found godly sorrow which worked a genuine repentance unto salvation.
Luk 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Luk 22:62 And Peter went out, and wept bitterly.
Peter did not confess his denial of Christ and then keep on denying him. There is no forgiveness IN sin, yet forgiveness IN sin is preached prolifically on this board. It appears the vast majority deny that rebellion to God must be forsaken, instead they truly believe the rebellion can continue and yet they are forgiven. It is a lie!
I have no problem with...
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
I have issue with doctrines that teach "ye would not" and yet be saved at the same time.
That is the issue here, not the longsuffering, forbearance and mercy of God. It is extremely unloving to tell someone who is still in the commission of known sin that all is ok and that don't worry that they are forgiven. Those are smooth words of death.
Luk 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Luk 22:62 And Peter went out, and wept bitterly.
Peter did not confess his denial of Christ and then keep on denying him. There is no forgiveness IN sin, yet forgiveness IN sin is preached prolifically on this board. It appears the vast majority deny that rebellion to God must be forsaken, instead they truly believe the rebellion can continue and yet they are forgiven. It is a lie!
I have no problem with...
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
I have issue with doctrines that teach "ye would not" and yet be saved at the same time.
That is the issue here, not the longsuffering, forbearance and mercy of God. It is extremely unloving to tell someone who is still in the commission of known sin that all is ok and that don't worry that they are forgiven. Those are smooth words of death.
G
okay so what i think which could be wrong but if you are doing those things ie: smoking drinking and cursing excessively do you not feel condemnation for those things? and could that be the reason why every "christian" seems to be getting on your case about it. when i feel like im doing wrong against God somtimes the first to point it out are my peirs and if your in a church your peirs are all christians who are wounded and broken and pointing these things out to you then maybe its time to take that offense that your feeling and do somthing about it. im not saying that they were right, God says that gossiping is just as bad as killing your brother so on judgment day they will have to face him for their sin. but as far as your sin goes maybe its a clear sign to change, not to run away from the problem by not going to church. thats the enemy speaking into your life. he takes things and mixes it up, putting it in your head that you should be offended and that those sinners shouldny point out your sin and to just leave the church because you are okay alone. but let me tell you my worst day in church is better then my best day with out it. i smoked for seven years and quit nine months ago bec i had friend tell me it was somthing i needed to stop, and i kinda felt bad when lighting up but not really.. but when my friend said that it was offensive. but it was God saying that not my friend. because that night when i got in my car to light a ciggarette i felt guilt and horrible so i quit that very night. similiar story to cursing. evenutually with time and your spirit growing you will feel condemnation for it. i hope i helped.
C
I said this before, and apparently I have to say it again, I brought out my outward sins as an EXAMPLE!! I do wonder though, had I said I was a gossiper, that I slandered others, was vain and judgemental would these same people "gotten on my case" about those sins? I think the answer would be no, because of the point I made earlier, so many people harp more on outward sins than they do inward sins, and the one's people hide on the inside are way more damaging than the one's on the outside, think about it
S
I am also a smoker of cigarettes. I feel the Lord convicting me and making my sin known to me. I know God will not bless you over sin, yet I cant put them down. I cant tell people that I am a Christian if I have sin in my life. I am ashamed to even tell people that I smoke & go to church. I feel like Im making God look bad. I know our God is a jealous God. He wants us to serve Him with our whole heart. I want to quit & I pray for strength every day. God knows in my heart that I want to be with Him when this world is over. I want eternal life with my Father in heaven. pray for me please. I need to rid of this sin & get my life right. I do love the Lord. I know that He loves me and always will. God can heal us of all our addictions. I pray that I start trusting the Lord more. We need to all give it ALL to the Lord & not take it back. why that is so hard, I don't know.