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I thought taters and gravy WAS a side 
The ongoing nature of theological discussion being what it is, such a hot topic issue in people's lives whether they are born again, religious but lost, or just simply lost, certainly has helped me to understand some of the issues better. For instance, as a fairly new Christian who found herself testifying to non believers online, I was also exposed to questions of whether or not Jesus was God, and when I examined myself, I realized I had not decided one way or the other because I did not know at first whether He was or whether He was not. When the issue of Calvinism and Arminianism came up, I had to research those, too, because I did not know what they were, what lines of thought they followed, the doctrines they promoted. I found elements of truth in both, but not the whole truth in either. Some things, we need to take sides on. Others, not so much
The ongoing nature of theological discussion being what it is, such a hot topic issue in people's lives whether they are born again, religious but lost, or just simply lost, certainly has helped me to understand some of the issues better. For instance, as a fairly new Christian who found herself testifying to non believers online, I was also exposed to questions of whether or not Jesus was God, and when I examined myself, I realized I had not decided one way or the other because I did not know at first whether He was or whether He was not. When the issue of Calvinism and Arminianism came up, I had to research those, too, because I did not know what they were, what lines of thought they followed, the doctrines they promoted. I found elements of truth in both, but not the whole truth in either. Some things, we need to take sides on. Others, not so much
No offence, but we cannot take a verse of scripture and base our belief upon how it fits our mind....there is an absolute truth and context set forth by that verse and our stance must be based upon that context and absolute truth it presents.....
There are ways that seem right unto men, but the end thereof are the ways of death....<---A prime example right here.....in the mind of the Pharisee the way that seemed right, that they espoused, pushed, indoctrinated those around them with and encompassed land ad sea with to make one convert = one that was two fold the child of hell......and the Pharisee who though the was right in his mind was blind and leading the blind into the ditch.
There are ways that seem right unto men, but the end thereof are the ways of death....<---A prime example right here.....in the mind of the Pharisee the way that seemed right, that they espoused, pushed, indoctrinated those around them with and encompassed land ad sea with to make one convert = one that was two fold the child of hell......and the Pharisee who though the was right in his mind was blind and leading the blind into the ditch.
And the word deny in this context means to reject the work and saving faith of Christ........and yes it is that simple......It makes me think of Thomas Paine who was so anti-Christ that he had two witnesses by his bed side to prove that he had went to the grave denying Christ as the savior of men and his ability to save anyone....the context is clear...
CONFESS me before men I.E> acknowledge me in saving faith
Deny me before men I.E> reject Jesus as your savior
It is not talking about a believer having a moment or even a believer that loses his faith and walks away in sin (if we believe not, he remains faithful because he cannot deny himself) it is speaking of those who totally reject the saving faith of JESUS.....
arneomai: to deny, say noOriginal Word: ἀρνέομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: arneomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-neh'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I deny, repudiate
Definition: (a) I deny (a statement), (b) I repudiate (a person, or belief
arnéomai – properly, deny (refuse); hence, contradict, refuse to affirm or to confess (identify with); disown (repudiate
CONFESS me before men I.E> acknowledge me in saving faith
Deny me before men I.E> reject Jesus as your savior
It is not talking about a believer having a moment or even a believer that loses his faith and walks away in sin (if we believe not, he remains faithful because he cannot deny himself) it is speaking of those who totally reject the saving faith of JESUS.....
arneomai: to deny, say noOriginal Word: ἀρνέομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: arneomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-neh'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I deny, repudiate
Definition: (a) I deny (a statement), (b) I repudiate (a person, or belief
arnéomai – properly, deny (refuse); hence, contradict, refuse to affirm or to confess (identify with); disown (repudiate
So when all else fails we question the salvation of another.
If man "a" believes that he is saved by something other than what the bible teaches is the correct way....I can rightfully assume that has is probably not saved.....this is biblical and not contrary to the truth.......
A ? and maybe this will help.....If lost man "a" goes to church with Billy Bob who is saved and sits though a wonderful, spirit filled service, gets to feel the love of the congregation, eats pot luck with them and experiences their fellowship and while there gets the opportunity to see one saved and or immersed....is this not a taste of the Spirit in some form or fashion?
And before you shoot this down like a Japanese Zero over Midway......Most of us personally have seen this happen and hear the responses of the men who were lost and their views of the service and how it made them feel and how they could feel the love and the difference.......just saying.
And before you shoot this down like a Japanese Zero over Midway......Most of us personally have seen this happen and hear the responses of the men who were lost and their views of the service and how it made them feel and how they could feel the love and the difference.......just saying.
I thought taters and gravy WAS a side
The ongoing nature of theological discussion being what it is, such a hot topic issue in people's lives whether they are born again, religious but lost, or just simply lost, certainly has helped me to understand some of the issues better. For instance, as a fairly new Christian who found herself testifying to non believers online, I was also exposed to questions of whether or not Jesus was God, and when I examined myself, I realized I had not decided one way or the other because I did not know at first whether He was or whether He was not. When the issue of Calvinism and Arminianism came up, I had to research those, too, because I did not know what they were, what lines of thought they followed, the doctrines they promoted. I found elements of truth in both, but not the whole truth in either. Some things, we need to take sides on. Others, not so much
The ongoing nature of theological discussion being what it is, such a hot topic issue in people's lives whether they are born again, religious but lost, or just simply lost, certainly has helped me to understand some of the issues better. For instance, as a fairly new Christian who found herself testifying to non believers online, I was also exposed to questions of whether or not Jesus was God, and when I examined myself, I realized I had not decided one way or the other because I did not know at first whether He was or whether He was not. When the issue of Calvinism and Arminianism came up, I had to research those, too, because I did not know what they were, what lines of thought they followed, the doctrines they promoted. I found elements of truth in both, but not the whole truth in either. Some things, we need to take sides on. Others, not so much
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More misguided doctrine of the church. The church doesn't seem to know how the believer does things through the Holy Spirit. They think walking by the Spirit is you check out while God moves your body in the way it must move. And if it doesn't work that way then you're doing it which means you're trying to earn your salvation. And so they justify their works-less, unfruitful lives by heaping the responsibility onto God that way and they just accept that God hasn't done that in them yet. Hideous doctrine.
Stones, do you know what 'self control' means?
Stones, do you know what 'self control' means?
Thank you for answering, and my apologies for my tardy reply. I went out last night to my community group Bible study. We had pot luck also [I took lasagna ]), and then lost my internet. I just got back from Best Buy where they fixed my ethernet by uninstalling and the re-installing it; it had been acting up for the last few days, and messing with my Bluetooth as well I hope that is the end of that! It is true I do not read all the posts in this thread, as it is pretty fast moving, and I am not here as often as some others. So thanks again for explaining
]), and then lost my internet. I just got back from Best Buy where they fixed my ethernet by uninstalling and the re-installing it; it had been acting up for the last few days, and messing with my Bluetooth as well I hope that is the end of that! It is true I do not read all the posts in this thread, as it is pretty fast moving, and I am not here as often as some others. So thanks again for explaining
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You just haven't known any true believers who left the faith. I do.
Don't leave off vs. 24-26 where John then tells the believers to not leave:
"24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
25This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.26These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you."
(1 John 2:24-26 NASB)
Don't leave off vs. 24-26 where John then tells the believers to not leave:
"24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
25This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.26These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you."
(1 John 2:24-26 NASB)
