It's a strawmen some people like to use to label folks and claim their opponents teach people it's okay to sin. Its a lie.
No one in this thread teaches that folks are okay in their sins.
We all say God will help His children overcome their sins and His blood forgives sins...not that we encourage or tell people they should sin all they like.
It's a misunderstood phrase used to falsely accuse people.
Used mostly by people who don't understand the Gospel message of grace and want to add works to earn or keep their salvation.
The problem here is about prejudging arguments and logic.
It is like saying a vegetarian is one because they hate killing animals.
Until you talk to them you do not know.
Now I have had conversations with people who say sin is something they live with
everyday and come out with examples of things that could easily be resolved, yet
they neither express the desire to resolve them or see a need.
That is by its nature abiding in sin.
When the question of walking righteously is raised it becomes sinless perfection.
Now this is just propoganda and denial of the true heart and the true motives.
If I am commited to run a marathon but do not even run 1 mile, I am not being
honest. People will lie, cheat, deny, hide, obscure about things they love, just like
an alcoholic when challenged about their level of drinking. You are either a sober
alcoholic or you have not stopped. There is is no halfway house.
With sin you are either commited to walk in righteousness or you are compromised.
Now when people talk about lying so quickly, one has to be very careful. This is a
high stakes game and sin and pride are the hardest thing in our lives to break.
And worse still our hearts will deceive us, and paint us as ok, even when our behaviour
says something very different.
There are only those fighting the fight and those who are not.
Do you hunger and thirst for righteousness, then you have grasped God and Christ.
"But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well."
Matt 6:33
Please listen. The first step is - seeking, not arriving. You will never arrive if you do not seek.
And those who attack seekers are 100% not interested in arriving.
Walking with Christ is walking in His holiness, purity and love. Now if this makes you feel sick
and ill, nerdy, soppy, wimpish, something you would never do, I have to ask you, do you know
Christ and the cross. I do not mean in it in a judgemental way, but in an honest way, this is our
God. Have you ever loved another sacrificially and walked in their shoes?
Many claim the name of Jesus, yet have not begun to know the Lord.
Beginning this walk is starting to know where you are, and then finding where you want to
get to. Sometimes walking away is walking towards Jesus, because you have to find yourself
before you can find reality.
Each ones walk is different, and the same arguments are put forward for widely different
reasons. It is why it often gets confusing. It is why patience and waiting to know people
makes a big difference. And there are some wonderful, gifted people here, who bless and
encourage others. I would hope I can help encourage them on in Christ and they me.
God bless you